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Harriet Miers -- pro, part 1 (long but informative)
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Posted on 10/03/2005 9:02:27 AM PDT by hipaatwo

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To: GarySpFc
My mindset against this woman just changed.

Good for you!

I have been more or less active in pro-life activities in Dallas for 15 or so, and Valley View Christiann Church is a wonderful church. I don't that Harriet Miers would feel comfortable there if she weren't pro-life.

 

 

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51 posted on 10/03/2005 9:40:58 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: hipaatwo

It's is possible just possible this one is a stealth candidate. Being a former dem innoculates her a little. The former dem part troubles me but it is possible for people to change as was the case with W.


52 posted on 10/03/2005 9:41:01 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Ol' Sparky
I was a democrat in the 80s but have since changed to conservative. Many people grab onto the party their parents had but as they grow older begin to see things differently. What she did in the 80s has very little to do with what she will do now.

As I said, I was a dem in the 80s but I never held to all their veiws, I have always been pro life, have been pro gun and believe in the constitution as it was written.

Judging her on a few donations that may have been required of her to keep her job(read the article) isn't the smartest thing to do.

I am going to keep my options open and see what happens. All of you trolls and DUers trying to cause problems here just roll off my back.

53 posted on 10/03/2005 9:42:53 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Colonial Warrior; Hushpuppie

ping


54 posted on 10/03/2005 9:43:37 AM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: areafiftyone
The problem I have is that something as pivotal to the future of this country as the composition of Supreme Court shouldn't be left to blind faith.

This is an issue that requires-in the words of John McLaughlin-"metaphysical certitude."

Perhaps she'll turn out to be a stellar associate justice-presuming, of course, that she's ultimately confirmed-but I'd rather not leave it up to chance, especially when there were so many other possible choices who had already established firm, unwavering judicial philosophies, and who would have been absolutely certain to stand with us.

55 posted on 10/03/2005 9:45:00 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: plain talk
The former dem part troubles me but it is possible for people to change as was the case with W.

Every conservative life-long Texan over the age of 40 was once a Democrat. 25 years ago the only real races in most counties were the primaries and they were between conservative Democrats and slightly-less-than-conservative Democrats. There really was no Repubican Party in Texas until Reagan.

15 years ago Al Gore promoted himself as a moral, pro-lifer. That changed. She also gave to Lloyd Bentsen, who got out of the Clinton administration as soon as he could. I still consider Bentsen to basically be an honorable man. 

 

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56 posted on 10/03/2005 9:45:56 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Paradox

"I voted for Jimmy Carter."

I am a former Demo too. A Rabid Conservative now. I find her pick refreshing and in the interests of conservatives throughout the country.

This is going to be a bad one for the Demos. If she's anything like other converts, this is a truly solid pick.


57 posted on 10/03/2005 9:48:01 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: RobbyS
BUT I suspect that some of this is spite. Bush says:You movement conservatives refuse to accept Al because of one dubious opinion; OK, this is what you get.

Huh? So the President chooses SCOTUS judges out of spite? Oooookkkk...

Did he stick out his tongue at the presser and go nananana?
58 posted on 10/03/2005 9:48:44 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: The_Republican

I think it was regarding the forged Dan Rather doc. Buckhead of FR outed Rather, thereby scooping the MSM.


59 posted on 10/03/2005 9:49:48 AM PDT by Humidston (It's Bush's fault)
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To: YaYa123

This information looks very promising.


60 posted on 10/03/2005 9:50:51 AM PDT by SuzanneC
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To: TexanToTheCore

Atually, I think the confirmation hearings could be quite comical. Senators trying to convert her back to the Liberal side.

Could be a hoot.


61 posted on 10/03/2005 9:52:09 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: Califelephant

If she is a conservative Christian, that's a good clue that she won't feel that bound by stare decisis. Luther did not feel bound by stare decisis.


62 posted on 10/03/2005 9:53:25 AM PDT by maro
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To: gramho12
I don't see how a strict constructionist, a fundamental pro-life Christian is a move to the left. But than again, that's just me.

Beginning with the pietistic movement in the late 19th century, Christians increasingly stayed away (or kept their faith away) from involvement in the arts, sciences, and politics for most of the 20th century. And when they didn't (think Moral Majority and Christian Coalition), what was the general reaction then? Has it changed, even within the Republican Party, today?

Some Christians practice a strict separation of "private life" and "public/professional/political" life when it comes to applying the Bible to public affairs. If Harriet Miers is such a person (or if her church stayed away from "divisive" social positions, such as abortion) there's no telling (not by her church membership, anyway) which direction she'll lean in court matters.

After all, we just learned this year that Billy Graham was a registered, participating Democrat his whole life. If he didn't have a problem being on the left politically, maybe Miers won't, either.

63 posted on 10/03/2005 9:53:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: hipaatwo

Oops. My mistake. See post #59.


64 posted on 10/03/2005 9:55:26 AM PDT by Humidston (It's Bush's fault)
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To: hipaatwo
Hecht says about Miers' judicial philosophy: "She's an orginalist -- that's the way she takes the Bible," and that's her approach to the Constitution as well -- "Originalist -- it means what it says." He notes that her legal practice involved writing contracts rather than tort law, so she was always looking at the plain meaning of the words: "Originalist." He also says she's not a social butterfly who will be swayed by Washington dinner table conversation: "She goes to the dinners she's supposed to go to. She's not on the social circuit."

This lady is going to be exactly what the pro-life people were seeking.
65 posted on 10/03/2005 9:57:14 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Humidston

I need more coffee....


66 posted on 10/03/2005 9:57:20 AM PDT by Humidston (It's Bush's fault)
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To: hipaatwo

We have to wait and see now--if she is a conservative, I hope she has a sronger personality than imbecile Ginsberg and is not swayed.


67 posted on 10/03/2005 10:02:53 AM PDT by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
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To: moasicwolf
Ummmm....My Grand Daddy told me when I was a teen ager, "Anyone that was not married by the age of 40 is either gay (He didn't quite use the politically correct term) or of superior intelligence."

I must be of superior intelligence then. I'm 52, not married and definitely not gay. :)

68 posted on 10/03/2005 10:03:01 AM PDT by Misty Memory (Liberals love the idea of humanity in general, they hate individuals in particular.)
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To: LS

So would I. But the dem party of 1975 was such a different party than it is today. I tended to vote more for the person back then; now I tend to vote more along party lines. Usually I want to vote for the Republican candidate, but if I don't, I weigh the character of the dem candidate against the Republican party. Yet, I do not always like the direction of the Republicans either.


69 posted on 10/03/2005 10:10:37 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Alex Murphy

...the pietistic movement in the late 19th century...

I'll Google that later...


70 posted on 10/03/2005 10:17:29 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: hipaatwo
Bush can't slide her in as a stealth nominee if you post articles like this, the moon bats will go crazy!
71 posted on 10/03/2005 10:30:32 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (I thought about that and DELIBERATELY didn't go there. ((Or maybe I did?))
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To: Ol' Sparky

I fully understand your concern with Miers' contributions to DNC and Gore. However, as a sixth-generation Texan, I can assure you that supporting Democrats in Texas was the norm, even for solid conservatives, until the relatively recent past.

During the 80s, there were mass defections into the Republican party, largely a result of the Reagan years. Still today, many Texas Democrats are more conservative than Republicans in other states.

I know very conservative voters in rural areas who wouldn't vote for a Republican for any office -- bitterness left over from the Hoover years and the great depression. Honest.

There are numerous explanations for those contributions; let's hold judgement and see what we hear. Could be that Miers' seeming bi-partisanship plays a part in getting votes for a solid conservative to the court.

What irony.


72 posted on 10/03/2005 10:38:22 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Ol' Sparky

It seems to me that YOU are the one betraying the base.

You thought Souter was OK, supported GWHB as a conservative...

What can you possibly say that we should listen to?


73 posted on 10/03/2005 10:38:54 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Ol' Sparky
Lawyers are often coerced into donating by the ruling partners of the law firm. Sometimes those partners even pay for the donation, so they can give a lot more to a pro-trial lawyer candidate. You often see legal secretaries on less than $30K a year (lawyers are cheapskate employers) donating $2000 a year to a candidate.

Anyway, I have one word for this appointment.

Weird. Weird-weird-weird...

74 posted on 10/03/2005 10:41:00 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Ol' Sparky

Oh go soak your head. You've been saying the same crap forever. You hate President Bush, you've always hated President Bush. Nothing he has done or could do would make you happy. Go to LoonyPlace, your mindset fits in with them.


75 posted on 10/03/2005 10:43:25 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: Kay

I also voted for Perot in "92, but I do not feel resposible for Clinton's election. I would lay that resposibility at the feet of GHWB. I would rather see a skunk with a skunks name on it, than a skunk with my name on it.

I am not overly convinced that the present version could be classified as conservative. His almost passionate aversion to do anything that might damage Clinton's, or his sychophant's, reputations is disconcerting, to say the least.


76 posted on 10/03/2005 10:50:51 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: GVgirl

Dittos

This is one of the most informative posts on Miers put on FR during the past four months.


77 posted on 10/03/2005 10:51:08 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: hipaatwo
I have a feeling that Harriet Miers is conservative, more so than Roberts......and not a politico like Roberts. No way this women is worse than O'Connor, just no way.
78 posted on 10/03/2005 10:54:40 AM PDT by Decepticon (The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years......(NRA)
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To: twigs

Agreed. But the Dems are NOT an answer today, as SOME Dems were back in the 1970s.


80 posted on 10/03/2005 10:57:15 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: SuzanneC

And I surely understand her being a registered democrat way back then. Many here in Georgia would have to say the same thing, me included. Hellsbells, if you wanted to vote for sheriff, judge, school board, any local election, you had to be democrat to vote! YAHOOOO those days are long gone!

(and many of those democrats I voted for, switched to the GOP before I did)


81 posted on 10/03/2005 11:00:09 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@ God Bless President Bush As the MSM and Democrats Seek To Destroy Him.com)
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To: hipaatwo
Not convinced here, and not happy. But before we do this...


...we should remember how close we came to this!

82 posted on 10/03/2005 11:13:17 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: plain talk
Being a former dem innoculates her a little.

Reagan was a Dem in another life. A 1988 donation to Al Gore when he was a pro-life candidate, lessens the pain a little more...

83 posted on 10/03/2005 11:19:08 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

Correct. There were plenty of Republicans in Texas in the 80's. When folks think of Texas as the yellowdog democrat state, they need to realize that pretty much ended in the late 70's.


84 posted on 10/03/2005 11:20:02 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: frogjerk
Reagan was a Dem in another life.

I'd vote for Zell Miller in a heartbeat, even with a big D next to his name.......Democrats weren't always the marxists they are now.

85 posted on 10/03/2005 11:23:32 AM PDT by Decepticon (The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years......(NRA)
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To: hipaatwo

bttt


86 posted on 10/03/2005 11:57:12 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: Humidston

Thanks! Something to be proud of!


87 posted on 10/03/2005 11:58:53 AM PDT by The_Republican
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To: Ol' Sparky

Bush I wasn't Bush II. He was barely pro-life, and he paled in comparison to RR on just about every Conservative cause. It wasn't easy voting for him in '88. Gore at the time wasn't a flaming liberal, either.

Don't give up so soon.


88 posted on 10/03/2005 12:38:52 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: hipaatwo

World Magazine is a great conservative Christian weekly which I subscribe to.


89 posted on 10/03/2005 12:55:25 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: potlatch

Ping


90 posted on 10/03/2005 8:54:48 PM PDT by ntnychik
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