Skip to comments.Australians Win Nobel For Linking Bug To Ulcers
Posted on 10/03/2005 1:24:28 PM PDT by blam
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What?! That would be intolerable.
see post 19 on this thread. The d&*n predisone was thinning my bones, and destroying my sight in the left eye before I was able to get off of it after 13 years.
Worked for me. Should have gotten the award earlier.
Thanks. I'll be looking into these. The GI doctors affiliated with my clinic are also active in research for Crohn's, IBD, and related illnesses. I'll have to ask them about some of this.
Don't expect too much. The odd spore-like forms of the bacteria are well known to docs, but they were taught that they are harmless. I asked the infectious disease specialist I was going to for sarcoid, and he thought that maybe it might at most have some placebo effect. So I found another doc, an arthritis specialist who is used to trying different things to see what works (the approved list of RA remedies is quite lengthy, and indication that they've little clue about the real cause).
This might take another 10 years to get accepted, if it follows the example of the ulcer cure. So, the approach was to publish it, and try a grassroots experiment, and get a cohort of people cured of these previously incurable diseases.
A lot of people have had to switch doc's to find one who would give the MP a try.
If you want more info, there's .ram and .wmv files of Dr Marshall Trevors lectures at a Lyme conference, http://www.ctlymedisease.org/videoclips.htm, Borrellia being one of the common infections in a lot of auto-immune problems.
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Thanks for posting this, there is a technical description at
Now why wouldn't this have gotten noticed sooner by another way: that people taking antibiotics for some other reason suffered far fewer stomach ulcers?
Example 2: I also get cold sores on my chin (a form of Herpes....I've just always had it). I did some research and found that Lysine (a simple Amino Acid - available at Wal-mart for 2.50 a bottle) helps prevent outbreaks. And, if at the VERY beginning of an outbreak, you take 2-3 pills every 1/2-1 hour for 6 hours, they will just stop forming and go away in 2-3 days (as opposed to 1-2 weeks). I've been doing this for years and it works GREAT. She won't recommend it to anyone because "nobody has published conclusive results". I try to explain that "there's no money in it". No drug company wants to research the fact that a pill that costs 2 cents and is available OTC, works MUCH better than their $20 pill.
So, this girl has watched me go thru the multi-pill treatment and kill a cold sore in 24 hours (she admits that's, basically, impossible). Yet, she STILL won't credit the Lysine. "Too many uncontrolled factors". She's so caught up in the mechanics and dogma of "what makes a cure", she can't see that one exists.
I guess, what I'm trying to say, is that if Aspirin were just now invented (by someone outside the medical/pharmacological community), it would take about 25 years for the medical community to accept that willow-tree bark extract can ease pain.
Part of the quick fix, big bucks, medical establishment. I presume there won't be much long term difference between a placebo and antibiotics. For sure antibiotics will work better in the short run but in the long run only difficult life style and diet changes are going to prevent the weaknesses that allow the bacteria to gain a foothold.
I have had the best success treating my stomach disorders with papaya enzymes. Do you suppose it's possible the papaya enzymes destroy bacteria?
The pairs claims provoked a fierce backlash from the medical establishment, which held to the dogma that ulcers were brought on by stress and lifestyle, and could not be cured.I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.
Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
-Michael Crichton, lecturing at Cal Tech.
Not possible, clearly the researchers' methodology is skewed. Everyone knows the bacterium can't be older than 6000 years, becaue that's what Bishop Ussher says. Jeeze.
WOW! I thought ALS was genetic... Maybe I should quit smoking after all.
This is one of those issues where the supposed quacks were ahead of the AMA. The same relationship between microbe and host exists, was identified, and treated with antibiotics, with the domestic pig. That's one thing that helped crack the case for human ulcers.
Good odds that the most commonly used antibiotics don't touch these bugs.
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