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Punk the prez? (or is it FR being punked again?)
NY Daily News ^ | February 8, 2004 | Ben Widdicombe and Suzanne Rozdeba

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:07:00 PM PDT by Phsstpok

Moby's anti-Bush tricks

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet.

"No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes."

Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

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Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson likened Moby's proposal to "dirty campaign tactics we're already seeing from John Kerry."

"His campaign was willing to use these kinds of voter suppression tactics against members of his own party in Iowa and New Hampshire," Iverson says. "John Kerry is a hypocrite. He pledged to run a clean campaign. Then he uses the lowest form of gutter politics to impugn his opponents, Democratic and Republican. It's unfortunate but this is probably just the beginning of the kind of tactics we're going to be seeing from John Kerry in the months to come."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote. We did not use any dirty tactics against any candidate.

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KEYWORDS: gettingplayed; moby; punked; scotus
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Remember this blast from the past?

We're being punked, folks. There are a bunch of MoveOn types trying to start a stampede in the conservative movement and there are some folks who should know better who have already been spooked. It's easy to understand why twits like Buchannen or Kristol would turn on and attack the President, but there are a lot of folks who should know better who are piling on for no good reason.

Keep your powder dry. Don't let them channel the argument before there's ANY information out there. Just take a deep breath and learn to listen and winnow the wheat from the chaff.

Remember, grasshoppers, this is Shinola.

1 posted on 10/03/2005 6:07:06 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok

I think Moby is an idiot, and you must think freepers are idiots.


2 posted on 10/03/2005 6:09:59 PM PDT by rwh
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To: Phsstpok
Love your post! KUDOS!

I have never known of a man who cares MORE about the character of people and less about popularity polls that GW. Ever.

I trust this leader because he models what he believes and he knows how to stay the course.

He has courage under fire.

I'd like some of that stuff...LOL!

3 posted on 10/03/2005 6:14:17 PM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Phsstpok

"but there are a lot of folks who should know better who are piling on for no good reason."

No good reason, like failing to nominate a proven constitutionalist judge while instead putting out an unknown and saying "trust me"?

No good reason, like dingy harry reid fawning over her?

Excuse me while I go flip a few cartwheels to celebrate this incredible choice of an unknown commodity being appointed to an almost lifetime position on the nation's highest court.


4 posted on 10/03/2005 6:14:36 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: rwh
I think Moby is an idiot, and you must think freepers are idiots.

Have you read some of the "freepers" postings today? Way too many newbies threatening to vote for Hillary, or hide under the covers for the next 3 years because of the Mier nomination. It's really pretty hysterical. I don't believe for a second all of these people are true freepers.

5 posted on 10/03/2005 6:16:19 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: rwh; Phsstpok
"...and you must think freepers are idiots."

Frankly I see nothing in Phsstpoks' post that would indicate this as his/her opinion. Phsstpok is merely advocating a "look before you freak out" approach. Sort of a think before you type view. Good advice, don't you agree?

6 posted on 10/03/2005 6:16:34 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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To: Phsstpok
Keep your powder dry. Just take a deep breath and learn to listen and winnow the wheat from the chaff.

Chiche-o-rama. Allow me to add one: Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers.

7 posted on 10/03/2005 6:16:47 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

"Chiche-o-rama. Allow me to add one: Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers."

I sure the hell hope so!


8 posted on 10/03/2005 6:18:47 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Phsstpok
"Keep your powder dry. Don't let them channel the argument before there's ANY information out there. Just take a deep breath and learn to listen and winnow the wheat from the chaff."

Yes, and if it's anything like it usually is, then the first two weeks of the MSM's news will be all hype, lies and innuendo. The truthful information will come later.

9 posted on 10/03/2005 6:21:42 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Seems Like Our Press Has Turned Against Our Country")
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To: jdm

Ditto that.


10 posted on 10/03/2005 6:23:04 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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To: rwh

The whole majority of Freepers arent idiots, but if you have seen some of thee posts today you can see how easy it would be to stray or to believe one of them went to the Moby school of Politics.


11 posted on 10/03/2005 6:24:01 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: Phsstpok

An article from February 8, 2004 ?


12 posted on 10/03/2005 6:25:57 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers.


13 posted on 10/03/2005 6:28:22 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: jennyjenny
Have you read some of the "freepers" postings today? Way too many newbies threatening to vote for Hillary, or hide under the covers for the next 3 years because of the Mier nomination. It's really pretty hysterical. I don't believe for a second all of these people are true freepers.

They may not all be FReeper, but to expect people to bow down and glorify Miers because Bush Says so is asinine. Nobody has defended her based on her own merit. It's alway "If she's good enough for Bush, she's good enough for me." Or, "She's a Christian. So she must be a great pick."

Blind trust is dangerous. Remember daddy Bush...."Read my lips....? Now it's Baby Bush...."In the Thomas/Scalia mold." I'm disgusted.

14 posted on 10/03/2005 6:28:31 PM PDT by rwh
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To: Mr. Mojo
Cliche-o-rama.

Well, um, YEAH! That was kinda the intent of the "shinola" comment. ;^>

Allow me to add one: Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers.

Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Close only counts in horse shoes, hand grenades and thermonuclear devices. We could go on, but I think we're on the same wavelength here.

I'm not saying I'm yet satisfied with Ms Miers, but if Buchanen and Kristol are already screaming then I'm inclined to wait for cooler heads. There are lots of other folks, Ann Coulter and the guys at Powerline, who have also joined in on the Mier's bashing, but the Powerline folks are beginning to make "hold on just a sec" noises. Ann's been pissed at this White House for some time. Either that or she's on the damndest disinformation campaign I've ever seen.

And before anyone complains


15 posted on 10/03/2005 6:32:46 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: rwh
Nobody has defended her based on her own merit.

I guess you couldn't pick up Houston talk radio this afternoon when the former Texas Supreme Court justices were calling in and the law professors in town who have known her were making their opinions known.

16 posted on 10/03/2005 6:33:20 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BigSkyFreeper
An article from February 8, 2004 ?

Well I didn't post it in breaking news, did I? ;^>

I wanted to remind people that there is an element of the left that intentionally posts on forums like ours with disinformation, or true information but with their spin put on it. It's like Rush's seminar callers. I didn't want it to be a TOTAL vanity, so I went and found one of the original articles from when Moby said this publicly.

They now do all they can to get us to "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

17 posted on 10/03/2005 6:36:29 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Phsstpok
Shhhhh! Don't tell that DUmb@$$, Moby -- but...

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. ...Bush ain't running again...!

LOL!!!

18 posted on 10/03/2005 6:36:50 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Phsstpok
I tend to agree, it would be easy enough to do. A couple dozen DU-Lu's and a couple dozen "sleepers" (see also "tepid") and some chicken little for flavor... Viola! massive panic attack at FR central.

You don't think so?? Count todays ZOT!'s and over-the-edge posts about SCOTUS nominee Harriet Miers

19 posted on 10/03/2005 6:37:57 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: flashbunny
incredible choice of an unknown commodity

Unknown to you. Your nutz if you think she's unknown to the person who nominated her. Get a grip.

20 posted on 10/03/2005 6:39:39 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: BigSkyFreeper
An article from February 8, 2004 ?

He posted this in chat, I moved it to news.

21 posted on 10/03/2005 6:41:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Phsstpok

True. I guess this is more for the newbies around here. I'm certainly aware of the infiltration from the leftist goobers onto this site, posing as angry conservatives.


22 posted on 10/03/2005 6:42:43 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: rwh
They may not all be FReeper, but to expect people to bow down and glorify Miers because Bush Says so is asinine.

And we are to take your word for it since you are a FReeper? Your sign up date is Feb 2, 2005, right? I've read your posts. I don't see anything in any of them to tell me that you're a FReeper.

And I'm not "defending" her. I'm not saying 'trust Bush.' I AM saying that anyone who has made up their mind in 12 hours based on the hysterical rantings that have been raining down on us is a complete idiot.

Wait. Learn patience. Learn some facts, not wild speculation and total BS. Anyone who can't endorse that position isn't worth wasting time on.

23 posted on 10/03/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Phsstpok
Thanks for the post. I've been hanging around a couple of years, and I've never seen a day like this.

I been defending Bush all day, mainly because I believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

She is a question mark to us, but he definitely knows her.

I think he has thrown the Dems the ultimate curve ball, not a limited paper trail, but a nonexistent one. George Bush has always made good choices in his appointments (except for the HS guy). I cannot see him abandoning his base.

Sometimes you just got to have faith.
24 posted on 10/03/2005 6:43:35 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: jennyjenny
I don't believe for a second all of these people are true freepers.

They will slip up and get smoked eventually. Moby is no Bob Schrum... or if we are lucky, maybe he is!

25 posted on 10/03/2005 6:44:51 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Admin Moderator

I finally realized the significance of this thread after I posted my inital post. :) While a dated article, it's timely. My take is that it gives a heads up to the possibilities of future leftist infiltrations onto FR, especially for the newer FReepers who recently signed up. :)


26 posted on 10/03/2005 6:45:16 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers.

I like that line, strategery on display.

Maybe Stevens will decide to retire because he thinks Bush nominees aren't that bad after all, one can hope.

I still think odds are even that the Sp Prosecutor in the Wilson fiasco could indict Wilson, Plame and others at the CIA for conspiring to LIE to the nation. Remember the Senate Intelligence committee said Wilson lied in his public statements and his book about what he really found out in Niger.

27 posted on 10/03/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: jennyjenny

Hey Jenny! Doncha know? It's TROLL-HUNTING season! Kinda fun, actually. Jim Rob is REALLY good at it. =)


28 posted on 10/03/2005 6:45:48 PM PDT by Just Lori (Trying to reason with a liberal is like sucking spaghetti through a straw.)
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To: Phsstpok

29 posted on 10/03/2005 6:47:50 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: rwh
"If she's good enough for Bush, she's good enough for me."

ROTFLMAO, as if he needed to check with you first.

30 posted on 10/03/2005 6:47:53 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: TXnMA
Bush ain't running again...!

Ha! Since he was "selected not elected," he's still eligible to be elected to two more terms!

[Sits back and waits for Moby to have a heart attack.]

31 posted on 10/03/2005 6:47:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (It took 6 grand juries to indict Tom Delay. That's 5 more than it takes to indict a ham sandwich.)
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To: Mister Baredog

--Unknown to you. Your nutz if you think she's unknown to the person who nominated her. Get a grip.--

Uh huh. And we're supposed to just trust his judgement blindly?

Like how we're supposed to trust his judgement on border security and illegal immigraiton?


32 posted on 10/03/2005 6:48:15 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: rwh
They may not all be FReeper, but to expect people to bow down and glorify Miers because Bush Says so is asinine

Oh, I should wait for the arrogant circle of conservatives who are a) miffed they don't have a bloody fight immediately on their hands to provide them face time and copy or b) unhappy to learn they don't have the influence they claim or c) have revealed themselves to be no different than the phony intellectuals who populate the left and know better than all others?

33 posted on 10/03/2005 6:48:57 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Admin Moderator
He posted this in chat, I moved it to news.

Good day for that move Mod, thanks.

34 posted on 10/03/2005 6:50:34 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: rwh

I really despise a "FReeper" who uses a 'Daddy Bush' vs. 'Baby Bush' argument. It's BUSH's pick until you are elected, genius. Stamp your feet a few more times and you will be the same as the DUmocrat DUmpster divers.


35 posted on 10/03/2005 6:52:44 PM PDT by RasterMaster (I'm not ignoring you, just multitasking!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
LOL!!!
36 posted on 10/03/2005 6:54:25 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: flashbunny
Like how we're supposed to trust his judgement on border security and illegal immigraiton?

You don't have to trust anything, it doesn't matter. Get it.

37 posted on 10/03/2005 6:54:40 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: Phsstpok
Wait. Learn patience. Learn some facts, not wild speculation and total BS. Anyone who can't endorse that position isn't worth wasting time on.

It looks like we are all going to have to exercise patience to learn where she stands on anything. Because we are not going to know anything about her until she is deciding cases on the Supreme Court. Hopefully, she will be a justice in the Scalia/Thomas mold. It's just too bad we have to wait and see.

38 posted on 10/03/2005 6:54:44 PM PDT by rwh
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To: TXnMA

Thank you very much!


39 posted on 10/03/2005 6:57:18 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (It took 6 grand juries to indict Tom Delay. That's 5 more than it takes to indict a ham sandwich.)
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To: Mister Baredog

uh, yes it does. Because there's still a role for the people: If they are sufficiently upset, they can contact their senators, who in their 'advise and consent' role, can keep her from getting on the bench.

Get it??


40 posted on 10/03/2005 6:58:12 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Phsstpok

Yes. Wait until we see the hearings and how she reacts before we pass judgement.


41 posted on 10/03/2005 6:58:20 PM PDT by mv2
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To: rwh
It looks like we are all going to have to exercise patience to learn where she stands on anything. Because we are not going to know anything about her until she is deciding cases on the Supreme Court. Hopefully, she will be a justice in the Scalia/Thomas mold. It's just too bad we have to wait and see.

Well said and true..

42 posted on 10/03/2005 6:58:29 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: jennyjenny
I don't believe for a second all of these people are true freepers.

You are right. I agree, true Freepers would be out bustin' some heads. Now I'm gettin in my Hummer and runnin over that long hair freak down the street.
43 posted on 10/03/2005 6:59:21 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: JamminJAY

lol!


44 posted on 10/03/2005 7:00:26 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: rwh
I think Moby is an idiot, and you must think freepers are idiots.

i don't know how you can come to that conclusion.

This place has been overrun with trolls today doing their "seminar caller" act.

45 posted on 10/03/2005 7:02:11 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: A.Hun
Who would know better than George W Bush? She's been a confidant for a decade. He certainly knows her better than he knows John Roberts.

It's really sad to see so many freepers here going insane today. They seem to think they know her better than the President does.

That's insane.

46 posted on 10/03/2005 7:02:35 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jennyjenny

>Have you read some of the "freepers" postings today? Way too many newbies threatening to vote for Hillary, or hide under the covers for the next 3 years because of the Mier nomination.<

You can tell from their language, too, these newbies are Moveon.org operatives. You can't post pro-Bush comments today on FR without getting very rude responses. Yeah, I think FR has been hijacked.


47 posted on 10/03/2005 7:04:33 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: flashbunny
uh, yes it does. Because there's still a role for the people: If they are sufficiently upset, they can contact their senators, who in their 'advise and consent' role, can keep her from getting on the bench.

Get it??

Yea I get it, do you think we're at that point now?

I heard the same crapola about Roberts, who really knows anyway.

Even the judges are not supposed to know how they'll vote on an issue until in comes to the court in the form of a specific case, GET IT.

Even Scalia and Thomas have been on opposite sides on some issues.

48 posted on 10/03/2005 7:05:04 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: Mister Baredog

"Even the judges are not supposed to know how they'll vote on an issue until in comes to the court in the form of a specific case, GET IT."

Yes.

And if a judge is supposed to receive the consent of the senate, and by extension, the extent of the people, they should have something more to go on than "trust me".


49 posted on 10/03/2005 7:07:06 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Dog Gone
Who would know better than George W Bush? She's been a confidant for a decade. He certainly knows her better than he knows John Roberts.

That is what I am counting on. I hope I am not wrong.

50 posted on 10/03/2005 7:08:40 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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