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Oklahoma bomber had jihad material
World Net Daily.com ^ | October 4, 2005 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 10/04/2005 2:49:20 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

Oklahoma bomber
had jihad material

Documents found in apartment of student who blew himself up


Posted: October 4, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jon Dougherty
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

An Oklahoma University student who killed himself by detonating a bomb strapped to his body outside a packed stadium over the weekend was a "suicide bomber" in possession of "Islamic jihad" materials, according to a new report.

Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, an engineering major at the school blew himself up outside OU's football stadium during Saturday night's game against Kansas State. Doug Hagmann, a seasoned investigator, told WND he was informed by multiple reliable law-enforcement sources familiar with the investigation into the incident that authorities recovered a "significant amount" of "jihad" materials, as well as Hinrichs' computer.

Hagmann also said those same sources indicated police and federal agents "had pulled additional explosives from [Hinrichs'] house," including triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, "homemade explosive [that is] very potent but relatively easily manufactured."

TATP was also used in the July mass transit bombings in London, CNN reported, and was used by attempted bomber Richard Reid, who packed his shoes with the compound in an unsuccessful attempt to destroy a U.S.-bound American Airlines flight in December 2001.

The confiscated jihad documents "referenced bomb-making manuals and that type of thing," Hagmann said, who added Hinrichs' apartment in Norman, Okla., is "located near the Islamic Society."

A phone at the Islamic Society of Norman went unanswered yesterday. Also, there was no response to an e-mail inquiry by press time.

Hagmann reported his findings on his website.

WorldNetDaily reported earlier that officials carted away a huge cache of explosives from Hinrichs' apartment. Police were overheard telling residents it would take "several trips and could take up to 24 hours" to remove it all, according to the Daily Oklahoman. A canister trailer used for detonating or transporting potentially explosive material was being used to haul items away.

University officials have shrugged off reports Hinrichs was anything other than a disturbed student who acted alone.

"We know that he has had what I would call emotional difficulties in the past. There is certainly no evidence at this point which points to any other kind of motivation other than his personal problems," said University President David Boren over the weekend.

In a joint statement, the FBI's Oklahoma bureau chief, Salvador Hernandez, U.S. Attorney John Richter and OU Police Chief Elizabeth Woolen said, "At this point, we have no information that suggests that there is any additional threat posed by others related to this incident."

FBI spokesman Gary Johnson told WND he couldn't add anything, other than the investigation is ongoing.

His agency has been joined in the investigation by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; the Joint Terrorism Task Force; the University of Oklahoma Police Department; the Norman Police Department; and the Cleveland County Sheriff's Office.

Official accounts say Hinrichs detonated an explosive device while seated on a bench outside Cross Hall, a university science building about 100 yards from the stadium.

Some 84,000 people were inside watching the game at the time of the explosion. Officials say it did not appear Hinrichs attempted to enter the venue.

Attacks inevitable?

While it is too soon to know whether the Hinrichs incident was isolated or part of a larger scheme to launch suicide attacks in the U.S. similar to those in Great Britain earlier this year and those that are a regular occurrence in Iraq, experts believe it is only a matter of time before such attacks do occur in U.S. cities.

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the Rand Corporation, a noted think tank, told ABC News shortly after the London bombings the four-man plot carried out there is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks."

He said the four men used for the attack were clean: no criminal records, did not show up on any terrorism watch lists, and were not part of any extremist activities – like Hinrichs.

That makes tracking such attackers virtually impossible, Newsome pointed out.

And, in Iraq last week, a woman pushed her way into a line of men at an army recruitment center before detonating a bomb she carried. The last time women were used in suicide attacks was during the war in Iraq in 2003, when two women in a car – one of them pregnant – detonated a device, killing three soldiers, the BBC reported.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomber; hinrichs; islam; jihad; jihadinamerica; nein; oklahoma; oubomber; oubombing; rop; swine; university; wnd
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1 posted on 10/04/2005 2:49:23 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: PhiKapMom; Grampa Dave; MizSterious; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Arthur Wildfire! March; glock rocks

ping the troops...


2 posted on 10/04/2005 2:52:33 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ovrtaxt
That makes tracking such attackers virtually impossible, Newsome pointed out.

That's why we have to be going after the nests. Get them at the larval stage.

3 posted on 10/04/2005 2:53:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: ovrtaxt

Here we go.


4 posted on 10/04/2005 2:54:16 AM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: ovrtaxt

This is the correct link to Hagmann's site:

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/


5 posted on 10/04/2005 2:57:04 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: All

UPDATE...

Re: Oklahoma - Interesting Links ON THE NET...


http://www.oudaily.com
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/01/433f3c43d0f24#feedback
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/03/43420103cdca9
http://media.oudaily.com/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/s-43420103cdca9-43-1.jpg
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/03/4341fe8b294e8
http://media.oudaily.com/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/s-4341fe8b294e8-14-1.jpg

http://www.channeloklahoma.com/index.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=oubombing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495911/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495698/posts
http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_story_230004903
http://www.normantranscript.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495602/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495507/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?page=3610#3610
http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1310934&secid=1

http://newsbusters.org/node/1895
http://newsbusters.org/blog/497

http://floppingaces.blogspot.com/2005/10/oklahoma-bombing.html
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003652.htm
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17737_Suicide_Bombing_in_Oklahoma#comments
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17737#c0185
http://www.ottergoose.net/


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?page=3750#3750

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=170283&page=6&pp=40
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showpost.php?s=fe439bab8abf8f1f6b216f81e9b22ddb&p=1568607&postcount=222

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46640


http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1005/265495.html


6 posted on 10/04/2005 3:01:00 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Fresh Wind
Get them at the larval stage.

They do remind me of orcs.

I only listen to radio during the day, and we don't have cable TV, but I still have not heard one word on this whole incident from any news source. I wonder why it's not being picked up?

7 posted on 10/04/2005 3:01:39 AM PDT by Mrs. P
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To: Cindy

Nice work! Thanks.


8 posted on 10/04/2005 3:04:21 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: Peach; milford421

Info from NEIN here.


9 posted on 10/04/2005 3:12:37 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Maybe this guy was pretty dumb and this was a practice run?
10 posted on 10/04/2005 3:15:43 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr

lol just testing that pesky dynamite wick!


11 posted on 10/04/2005 3:19:32 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ovrtaxt
WND's going to trash its own credibility if it keeps considering Hagmann as a credible source for anything other than the best brands of tinfoil.

-Eric

12 posted on 10/04/2005 3:27:45 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: ovrtaxt

You're welcome.


13 posted on 10/04/2005 3:31:33 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Mrs. P
"I wonder why it's not being picked up?"

The commie 'reporters' are tacitly nodding their approval to one another as they too, imbeds one and all ... ask the inane questions at the press meetyings ...

"Sir ... sir! .... is it true you now believe that hurricane Rita was handled better than Katrina?"

"WTF? Whodoya' think I am ... Pecos Bill?
You are stuck on stupid!"

.

Charlie Rangel is no longer acting like Sean's friend ... I believe final, or near final plans are being enacted for Satan to commence his Jihad against the remnant of Christian America.

Maybe that's the thinking behind President Bush's selection of Harriet Miers.

14 posted on 10/04/2005 3:32:15 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: ovrtaxt; Cindy

Thanks for post/links. BTTT.


15 posted on 10/04/2005 3:32:19 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: E Rocc
Agreed! I rarely use WND anymore.

prisoner6

16 posted on 10/04/2005 3:35:08 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6; E Rocc

Regardless, they are the only source, except for blogs, for any info on this event right now.

A suicide bombing, failed or not, at a packed stadium is kind of important,y'know? It's a bit frustrating that the media is almost totally blacking this out.


17 posted on 10/04/2005 3:40:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Bears repeating:

experts believe it is only a matter of time before such attacks do occur in U.S. cities.


18 posted on 10/04/2005 3:49:02 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Shirtless at the 7-11)
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To: ovrtaxt
"A suicide bombing, failed or not, at a packed stadium is kind of important,y'know? It's a bit frustrating that the media is almost totally blacking this out." It could just be that there is no more information beyond 'slightly disturbed student blows himself up, of course.
19 posted on 10/04/2005 3:50:58 AM PDT by Canard
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To: prisoner6

Me neither after that Aug 16 false alarm about the Islamofascist nuke attack on America and I bought all that bottled water and canned tuna!/sar


20 posted on 10/04/2005 3:54:06 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: ovrtaxt
A source loaded with anonymous information is not credible.

Eventually, the truth will be public and then we'll have more info.

21 posted on 10/04/2005 3:57:15 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: ovrtaxt; Blurblogger; backhoe; goldstategop; MeekOneGOP

Thank you. Adding to the ping.


22 posted on 10/04/2005 4:07:38 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: ovrtaxt

It's entirely possible that this kid had every intention of walking into that packed stadium and killing as many people as possible. I believe he had second thoughts and decided to just end it right there on that park bench.


23 posted on 10/04/2005 4:16:33 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: ovrtaxt

Thank you FReepers for all the great info.

I am suddenly seized with fits of laughter, thinking of Hinrichs as "Allah's Forrest Gump..." you know the wonderful shot from the movie cover with Forrest sitting on the park bench?

Of course I don't mean to insult Forrest, one of my all-time favorite characters. Hinrichs is like Forrest without the good sense that God gave him!

Just throwing out the idea for some clever FReeper to possibly create a spoof of the Forrest Gump bomber or some such. Ridiculing the "Religion of Pieces" and its stupid, maniacal followers is useful, I think.


24 posted on 10/04/2005 4:18:24 AM PDT by Sally
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To: ovrtaxt

I have yet to see this from someone that didn't use homelandsecurity.us as a source.

I need to find it sourced from someone else before I can give it real credibility.


25 posted on 10/04/2005 4:21:42 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: OldFriend

First off, word's been floating around about Islamic material already. I've been searching for something solid. WND is a lot more solid than what I had Sunday.

"Eventually, the truth will be public and then we'll have more info."

Did you hear a peep about this bombing on talk radio yesterday? I didn't. NOT EVEN TALK RADIO! The Feds are growing long arms, indeed. How are voters supposed to know what kind of president we need in 2008?

One thing's for sure, at least WND is keeping this explosion from being completely buried from the news. We know it happened. God bless WND!


26 posted on 10/04/2005 4:22:39 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: ovrtaxt
when two women in a car – one of them pregnant – detonated a device

For pity's sake. Someone tell me that she was coerced.

27 posted on 10/04/2005 4:24:54 AM PDT by Killing Time
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To: wolfcreek

"TATP" is known for premature explosions also. He might have been resting/waiting for halftime/adjusting vest????

From the Net:



" Used alone, Mr. Davies says, TATP is favored only by the foolhardy.
>> The concoction, which he
>> describes as the "explosive of last resort," is easily mixed -- it is
>> known as a bathtub explosive -- but
>> less powerful than plastic explosives and far more volatile. Commonly
>> employed by Palestinian
>> extremist groups such as Hamas, TATP can be set off by random sparks
>> and sudden movements. "It's
>> very sensitive," Mr. Davies says, "and it's the main reason these
>> Palestinian groups have lost so many
>> bomb makers over the years."


28 posted on 10/04/2005 4:25:07 AM PDT by Drago
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To: OldFriend
A source loaded with anonymous information is not credible. Eventually, the truth will be public and then we'll have more info.

Anonymous AND third-hand:

Doug Hagmann, a seasoned investigator, told WND he was informed by multiple reliable law-enforcement sources familiar with the investigation into the incident...

And these undisclosed but reliable sources are not willing to share this information with anyone except the redoubtable Mr. Hagmann?

29 posted on 10/04/2005 4:29:33 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A "democratic socialist" is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
There was a brutal multiple murder in a NJ town last year.

The rumors, uninformed sources, etc. all just KNEW that it was islamic crazies. This went on for weeks before the police would confirm any information at all.

Ultimately, it was the upstairs neighbors, drug dealers, who tried to rob and then murdered the family.

Nothing at all to do with islamo fascists.

30 posted on 10/04/2005 4:31:55 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: knarf
Someone needs to call into all of the major talk radio shows and ask why this is not being reported.

Rush, Sean, Bob Grant, Boortz, all of them.

31 posted on 10/04/2005 4:32:50 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Drago

Kind of like ACME brand Nitro Glycerine? hehe


32 posted on 10/04/2005 4:33:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: OldFriend; ovrtaxt
A source loaded with anonymous information is not credible. Eventually, the truth will be public and then we'll have more info.

Has NEIN ever used a real, verifiable source for anything? NEIN seems to base its stories upon information obtained from super-secret sources deep within anals of the FBICIANSADHSLEO, who can't be disclosed because of ungoing investigations, national security, fear of reprisal, blah, blah, blah... In my opinion, only a small percentage of information that comes from NEIN is ever verified and that stuff is obvious, like tomorrow is will be light, followed by darkness. Seems to me that NEIN has a bunch of shills running around FR promoting the website whenever something happens than can arguably be associated with Islamic terrorism. Caveat Empteor.

33 posted on 10/04/2005 4:37:56 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Sally
I am suddenly seized with fits of laughter, thinking of Hinrichs as "Allah's Forrest Gump..." you know the wonderful shot from the movie cover with Forrest sitting on the park bench?

"Mullah always said, life is like a box of TATP: You never know when it's gonna go off."

34 posted on 10/04/2005 4:39:41 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (The best things happen just before the thread snaps.)
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To: E Rocc
WND's going to trash its own credibility if it keeps considering Hagmann as a credible source for anything other than the best brands of tinfoil.

To WND's credit, they do direct the reader over to North East Intelligence Network in order to have them judge for themselves. But you're right, they would be well advised to keep a longer distance between themselves and NEIN.

It will be interesting to see if any of this pans out.

35 posted on 10/04/2005 4:43:10 AM PDT by gridlock (You can be a hippie stoner peacenik, but the ROPers will want you as dead as they want Dick Cheney)
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To: Killing Time
"For pity's sake. Someone tell me that she was coerced."

Jihadists are recruiting from the mental institutions of the world and seem to have no problem meeting their recruiting goals.

36 posted on 10/04/2005 4:44:15 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: garyhope
Me neither after that Aug 16 false alarm about the Islamofascist nuke attack on America and I bought all that bottled water and canned tuna!/sar

Maybe Farah has money invested in SPAM.

37 posted on 10/04/2005 4:45:05 AM PDT by gridlock (You can be a hippie stoner peacenik, but the ROPers will want you as dead as they want Dick Cheney)
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To: E Rocc
WND's going to trash its own credibility if it keeps considering Hagmann as a credible source for anything other than the best brands of tinfoil.

Now hold on one damn second there pal.

WND has credibility?

38 posted on 10/04/2005 4:45:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SlowBoat407

:-)


39 posted on 10/04/2005 4:46:41 AM PDT by Drago
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To: OldFriend
Yes, I remember that story, although it is little relief to find it was only drug dealers, not Islamofascists, who did the heinous deed.

I just don't feel inclined to salivate on cue every time the mere possibility of terrorist activity is presented. There is more than enough verified mischief out there to occupy me and vent my rage against.

40 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:04 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A "democratic socialist" is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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To: ovrtaxt

It's possible the Jihad material may be incidental. Right now the only thing he seems to have in common with them is a sick fascination with homemade explosives and suicide.


41 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Labyrinthos

I hope you don't mean me. I just heard of it this morning.


42 posted on 10/04/2005 4:50:10 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

Tell me, how reliable are the news sources that are saying diddly squat about this? I challenge their reliability. Hagman has an exclusive, and so WND is being sure to credit him. Time will tell. People say, "Let's wait and see" until someone comes out with news. Then its, "Let's hurry up and condemn," especially when its hot news not being discussed by the 'big boys'.


43 posted on 10/04/2005 4:52:02 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: ovrtaxt
Why is there a news blackout?

Does anyone know how much the media (print, TV, radio, etc.) hauls in revenue-wise from football (or any pro or college stadium sport) every year?

It is millions upon millions of dollars.

It would be interesting to view a national football game with empty stands. No concessionaires, no cheering, just dead silence as a leery, freaked-out public stays away from stadiums in droves because of bomb scares.

Many colleges and universities would go under with no athletic department revenue.

Pres. Boren understands this well. So should we.

This is your answer to "why" there's a news blackout.

Leni

44 posted on 10/04/2005 4:53:15 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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To: Wolfie

The WND was persecuted by the IRS back when Clinton ran office. They helped this forum get public notice, and people around here bash it relentlessly. Please name one fabricated quote by WND.


45 posted on 10/04/2005 4:54:17 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I tend to agree with you. It's phikapmom and her eyewitness sources, NEIN, and a few blogs. THAT"S IT!

The rest is up to the pajamahadeen, I guess. But we're all tinfoil freaks and Dan Rather isn't.


46 posted on 10/04/2005 4:54:46 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: ovrtaxt

No, not you personally.


47 posted on 10/04/2005 4:55:53 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: MinuteGal

I agree that there are many excuses for suppressing a free press.


48 posted on 10/04/2005 4:56:36 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: E Rocc
WND's going to trash its own credibility

How do you trash a dump?

49 posted on 10/04/2005 4:57:15 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: MinuteGal

Exactly. Same reason that jet that crashed in Queens a few years ago 'wasn't terrorist related'.

But when Freepers who are interested in national security over money try to get to the truth, we're just wild-eyed psychos.


50 posted on 10/04/2005 4:58:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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