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The University of Oklahoma Bomber- Link Roundup
various links | 10-05-05 | the heavy equipment guy

Posted on 10/05/2005 1:13:54 PM PDT by backhoe

The original, vast post:
 Bomb Blast at University of Oklahoma (Breaking on Fox) - suicide bomber at OU
Fox News/ ^ | oct. 1, 2005
The latest:
Many new links here:
 Sooner Bomber Wanted to Buy Ammonium Nitrate! (Good Info on Oklahoma Student)
 Here's a Tulsa World update thread with comments on local talk radio trying to quench the story. Too many questions. Too many problems with the party line. The thread also has the latest on link between pipebomb material found on Hinrich and pipe bomb found on OK City airplane flight.
 We Aren't Getting the Full Story on the OU Football "Suicide Bomber"
 Just found this story in the Tulsa World.  
The room mates name is Fazal Cheema.
 Cheema was employed in Tulsa by a company owned in part by Terry Lenzner, a close friend and investigator for Bill and Hillary Clinton.
 This nugget from the Tulsa article.  high-density hydrogen peroxide, just like the London bombers... and the Pali's....
 Flashback on last name: CHEEMA.
There was an AQ tape - a year & 1/2 ago? - that specifically mentioned and/or depicted goalposts.
 And what about the most recent tape, with the American convert issuing the threats? I've said it before on the long OU Bombing thread, and I'll say it here again: I believe using that convert on the tape was a signal to cells in the US to activate their American converts.
 Muslim Student Association....
 Stephen Schwartz, a muslim, calls the Muslim Student Association a Wahhabi front.
And in roughly chronological order:
 Chronological list-o-links of all FR threads on this topic since Saturday night (you may have already seen some of them):
 Student Investigated by the FBI --Not directly related to the OU Bombing, but thought it interesting. The post was followed by this note: "Zacarias Moussaoui purchased flight deck videos from Sporty's."


Jihad at the University of Oklahoma?

The story of the suicide bomber at the University of Oklahoma football stadium, determinedly ignored by mainstream media, is beginning to get interesting: Gateway Pundit: Sooner Bomber Wanted to Buy Ammonium Nitrate!

More links: - News - Hinrichs Tried To Buy Ammonium Nitrate
Gates of Vienna: Jihad at the University of Oklahoma?
The Jawa Report: Oklahoma Suicide Bomber May be Jihadi, Father Denies
Lone Star Times: Boomer Sooner
We Aren’t Getting the Full Story on the OU Football ‘Suicide Bomber’ -

 JihadWatch is also on the story:
 U of OK Pres David Boren was meeting with Tenet on 9/11 (OU Daily) /moonbat off.
 How much longer will our media, government, and higher education cover for, even enable, our enemies? Stay tuned. We wouldn't want to offend any peace-loving Muslims.
Sources ID TATP As Component Of [OU] Bomb (called 'Mother of Satan' by Islamist extremists)
 Sources Identify TATP As Component Of Bomb

Veteran journalist Mark Tapscott raises red flags over the MSM's coverage of the Oklahoma suicide bomber.

Who is Joel Hinrichs?

Amish? Or Muzzi sympathizer?



"Terrorists Among Us - The Jihad in America" VHS at Amazon.Com

According to google news... no national media has covered this. Only local OK media and WND!

Oklahoma Suicide Bomber May be Jihadi, Father Denies
Jawa Report, TX - 14 hours ago
The father of a University of Oklahoma student, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, that blew ... the material were instructions on how to make bombs used in suicide attacks. ...
Boomer Sooner Lone Star Times
all 2 related »
Oklahoma Suicide Bomber Had Bigger Plans
Wizbang, DC - 18 hours ago
Northeast Intelligence Network is reporting that the suicide bomber outside Saturday's OU/Kansas football game appears to have been planning something bigger ...
Oklahoma suicide bomber
American Thinker, AZ - Oct 3, 2005
No "normal" person commits suicide by blowing himself up in public with a ... Saturday night in an explosion outside the University of Oklahoma's football stadium ...

Washington Post
Stadium security to be stepped up
Norman Transcript, OK - 1 hour ago
... About 100 yards to the east was Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, where more ... in describing Hinrich’s death by saying, “I do not say suicide, I say ...
Stadium Security KKTV 11 News
New Security Announced After Colo. Man Blows Himself Up
Manhattan Mercury - Daily Texan - all 318 related »
Hinrichs was angry, depressed
Oklahoma Daily, OK - 23 hours ago
Although officials have not yet determined whether the death of Joel Henry Hinrichs III was a suicide, Dr. Alan Swann, psychiatrist at the University of Texas ...
Bombing 'scary' for students Norman Transcript
Discuss student death carefully Oklahoma Daily
Demand respect instead of jokes Oklahoma Daily
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Police probe suicide bomb (subscription), Ireland - 56 minutes ago
A SUICIDE bomb was detonated outside a college football game in Oklahoma last Sunday but officials say it had only one intended victim: the bomber. ...
Oklahoma bomber had jihad material
WorldNetDaily, OR - 21 hours ago
An Oklahoma University student who killed himself by detonating a bomb strapped to his body outside a packed stadium over the weekend was a "suicide bomber" in ...
Hinrichs Tried To Buy Ammonium Nitrate Channel
OU blast victim had attempted to buy ammonium nitrate Tulsa World (subscription)
all 6 related »

433 posted on 10/05/2005 12:09:15 AM EDT by adam_az
 Here is another video that gives props to some of the bloggers on this deal including digitalbrownshirt, baseline, and flopping aces.

The first photo we saw of Hinrichs was from the FBI, the FBI has not told anyone why they had it. This video talks about this item.
 This is being covered up because of the fear it would send across America.
 "The MSM and Gov't are going to be extremely reluctant to disclosed that the enemy is among us and are deploying to blast away. The real war is coming."
Agreed. We are on the cusp of a global war, and the first battles have already been fought here on US soil.
 Oklahoma City's Channel 9 Blows Bomber story Wide Open -- I had a brief discussion with Jayna Davis a short time ago. She is not suprised at this and points to the Norman mosque and Zacharias Moussaoui...  It's also the same mosque Nick Berg visited.
 Speaking of Moussaoui ?
 The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui...
 Transcription of pages 299-302 from The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis --

Flopping Aces reports: "Apparently the local CBS affiliate in OKC had a report that Hinrichs has been known to visit the local Islamic center around the corner from his apartment..."

Wizbang with details from this morning.

The Norman Transcript provides more details (hat tip: Laura Lee Donoho)

 I've got a link for the News 9 video as an update at the bottom of this post. Sorry about the link whoring, but I'm excited about blogging this story. People need to know, and it's great too see the truth coming out.
Video of "he tried to buy Ammonium Nitrate ( AN ) from me:
Security Changes On The Way At OU (Despite 'Isolated Suicide' Theory)
This certainly smells like a jihadist bombing, but the most startling aspect of it is the glaring MEDIA BLACKOUT.
 CBS affiliate News 9 in OKC just did a story less than an hour ago that said Hinrichs had been seen at the Islamic Center near his home, his room mate was a Pakastani and Hinrichs tried to buy some ammonium nitrate last week. I posted this same info on my blog here.
4,142 posted on 10/04/2005 7:24:59 PM EDT by Cindy
 ... maybe it's me, maybe I'm having a bad day, watched every minute of the press conf. today -- steroids, bird flu -- distractions, while people are streaming over the borders. Not one question about that.
Not one word about a homicide bomber at OU.  

UPDATE -Oklahoma - Interesting Links ON THE NET...

 Hinrichs (OU Suicide Bomber) Tried To Buy Ammonium Nitrate
"Hinrichs Tried To Buy Ammonium Nitrate"

POSTED: 5:16 pm CDT October 4, 2005
UPDATED: 6:10 pm CDT October 4, 2005

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "NORMAN, Okla. -- The general manager of a Norman feed store said Tuesday that Joel Henry Hinrichs III had inquired about purchasing a significant amount of ammonium nitrate, the primary ingredient used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

Dustin Ellison, the general manager of Ellison Feed & Seed on Porter Avenue, said that a man matching Hinrichs' description had come into the store days before he blew himself up on OU's campus. Ellison said the man asked about ammonium nitrate, but couldn't offer a reason why he needed it."
"Dad: Oklahoma student bomber wasn't politically motivated"

 "Oklahoma bomber
had jihad material --
 well..that cinches it for me. Pakistani roomate + bombs = Islamists & terrorists. put me on the ping list if there is one going please. Good grief..this is the first I have heard of that little tidbit. 
 I pinged you to a WND thread about the Islamic material. AND, here's Cindy's latest link list: 
 Oklahoma again:

 OU bomber had huge explosive stash; Mystery remains over suicide outside Sooners game -- This is a duplicate of this post:

Wherein was remarked that this story seems to be getting the official HUSH treatment. Perhaps this is just to give the FBI time to track down any accomplices, but the tinfoil hats (myself included) think there is a certain amount of "lets not scare anyone" mentality being used here... This situation will undoubtedly be quietly handled and gently discussed in subdued tones until enough people lose interest. Then, about eight months after this incident, a small-print report will be issued confirming that, yes...this boy was a recent Muslim convert and attempted to carry out a terrorist attack.

That's precisely how the authorities handled the July 4th 2002 terrorist attack by an Egyptian Muslim at the El-Al airline section at LAX.

 Wasson graduate died in likely suicide at OU

 I did a couple of pieces on my blog The Digital Brownshirt about this, so I already had the info handy. Must be a lot of people looking for info on the bombing considering my hits are 3 times normal today.
 Anyway, came across this interesting article out of France (of all places! LOL). The author however is Michael Wright of Norman, OK.

David Boren Undermines Investigation of University of Oklahoma Bomb

FBI says Colorado man killed self in explosion near Oklahoma football game

 BTW, some Norman-based FReepers are reporting that their local media is finally getting antsy with Boren's "explanations." Will the national media wake up?

From Cindy | 10/03/2005 3:39:02 AM EDT new


Another explosion detonated Sunday
from staff reports

October 02, 2005

Law enforcement performed a controlled detonation at about 9:30 p.m. Sunday at the Norman Police Departments's firing range on State Highway 9 and Jenkins Avenue.

3,380 -- The explosive materials that were detonated last night (Sun night) were taken out of Hinrichs' apartment in a black duffel-type bag a little while earlier.

There are some twilight photos taken of the bomb squad removing it on this blog:
 Check out GATEWAY Pundit

It seems the MSM wants this story to go away.



October 2, 2005

"One dead after explosion outside OU stadium
Report: Shortly after scene of suicide bomber at OU Football game"
October 2, 2005
From: Lan Lamphere
October 2, 2005 5:10 AM


 OFF TOPIC and stepping back in time...
"Michigan Coach Carr complains about security at Ohio Stadium" ^ | November 24, 2004 | Columbus Dawg
Posted on 11/24/2004 2:41:43 AM PST by Columbus Dawg

Note: This is a graphic.

Security Officials To Simulate Terror Attack Inside Alltel Stadium



 Suicide bombing at Oklahoma University? -- I find it truly bizzare that you can hardly find any mention of this story in the press. It's not like bombs go off around packed college football stadiums every day in the USA

TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
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Sooner Suicide Later Turns Out To Be Botched Attack

Mark Tapscott has stayed on the story of Joel Hinrichs, the Oklahoma University student who blew himself up outside the football stadium, long after the FBI dismissed it as a suicide brought on by depression. His vigilance has paid off, as it now appears that the FBI jumped to an erroneous conclusion and that Hinrichs meant to kill a lot more people than just himself:

Mark notes that the FBI continues to dismiss any other explanation than suicide. Keep checking in with Mark and with Michelle Malkin, both of whom remained skeptical about the official explanations and maintained visibility on this story.

Posted by Captain Ed at 01:10 PM | Comments (4)

151 posted on 03/01/2006 1:46:58 PM PST by backhoe
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*Updates below*

Authorities are investigating an explosion at an apartment complex in Texas City (home to one of the largest petrochemical complexes in the world) yesterday which killed one man and injured another. (hat tip: Nita Rene)

One man died Wednesday in an explosion at a Texas City apartment complex, KPRC Local 2 reported.

A resident was working with combustible materials inside a unit, sparking the explosion, investigators said. That man, whose identity was not released, died at the scene.

Today, investigators have identified the materials:

Authorities ordered two apartment complexes evacuated and set off a small explosion inside a unit today in an attempt to remove a substance believed to have caused a fatal blast Wednesday.

In a news conference today, federal and local officials said they believe the substance was peroxide-based.

The FBI refused to say whether it believes the men were preparing some kind of attack.

But Texas City Mayor Matt Doyle said: “If we thought this was a terrorist act, the action would be a lot different than we’ve seen here today. Certainly, the FBI would have raised the level of security inside the city.'’

Salway described the substance as similar to TATP, organic peroxide and a primary high explosive. It takes the form of a white crystalline powder with a distinctive acrid smell and has been described as a weapon of choice for suicide bombers.

TATP was also the explosive of choice of suicide bomber Joel Hinrichs outside a packed football stadium in Oklahoma last Fall, as well as the 07/07/05 London bombers.

Of course, the official line is… “Authorities … don’t believe terrorism was involved.”

Here are photos of the scene, courtesy of the Galveston County Daily News:

…and the Houston Chronicle:

The two victims have been identified.

The survivor of yesterday`s explosion, Curtis Jetton, is charged with making a false police report. Police say Jetton and the victim, 21-year-old Matthew Rugo, were working with chemicals inside the apartment when the first explosion took place.

According to public records, it appears Matthew Rugo was arrested two years ago on a misdemeanor weapons violation.

He was also charged in March 2005 with burglary of a habitation. Kohen said Rugo and co-defendant Christopher J. Distefano, 20, of Bellville, were accused of stealing rifles and other items from a home. He had pleaded guilty in the case but had not yet been sentenced. Distefano also was facing sentencing.

Contradictory reports about their possible affiliations:

A college student killed Wednesday afternoon in a blast at the Lakeview Apartments likely was part of a growing subculture of young people who like to see things blown up, authorities said.

Those same authorities insist he and a friend injured in the blast were not associated with any terrorist group — domestic or otherwise.

That word contradicted TV news reports attributed to unnamed, highly placed federal sources that said the pair might be members of a four-person domestic terrorist group.

The injured man had recently been fired from his job cleaning offshore storage tanks and oilrigs:

Mickey Greene, the operations manager for Will Duett, a Galveston firm that specializes in cleaning offshore storage tanks and oilrigs, confirmed Jetton worked for him until recently. He said he told Jetton he wasn’t needed anymore after failing to report to work Saturday.

A friend of Matt’s has posted a tribute to him here.

He had a special interest in explosives and firearms, as many guys do at the age. The only thing is he was a little more active in his interest. I have no doubt he enjoyed just seeing what he could accomplish with them and knowing that he had the knowledge and ability for them. If it wasn’t for this accident, I bet he could have truly been a great pyrotechnician someday or something of the sorts.

I’m not condoning what Matt did, but I just want to clear up any question on his intent. Matt was not a violent person and there really isn’t a doubt in my mind that he did not meant any harm to anybody or anything. I’m sure the most he would have done with any of his materials was take them out to some pasture or somewhere and see what he could do with them. They where basically his toys, though dangerous as they where. He had no more intent with his actions then someone with a bottlerocket aimed at an object in a junk heap.

Rest in Peace, Matt. The one true regret I have about this is that I can’t tell you all the stir you made after the fact… with the FBI, news reporters, bomb squads, the police blowing up the apartment complex, and helicopters going crazy. You would have truly loved it, and thought it an extremely befitting end.

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  1. There are a handfull of organic peroxides that might have been in use legitimately, but that’s unlikely…

    What is more likely is that with all this publicity about TATP a fool was playing. The fool may have had a nefarious intent entirely unrelated to anything properly called “terrorism” - a grudge, for example, or a robbery.

    With all the publicity…

    This stuff has been described as easy to make, and recipes are available. It may be simple in theory but it isn’t simple in fact, and most amateurs wouldn’t even recognize the pitfalls.

    I have the training and equipment to do this - I have stirring hotplates, burets and other glassware, etc… I also have all my fingers, and I like it that way. I wouldn’t try this on a bet. There are several explosives I would try to make before I’d try to make TATP - assuming I would try to make explosives, which I wouldn’t.

    Wild guess: Somebody tried to make some TATP with weak reagents and ended up with a mix of the di and tri forms. The di form is less powerful but way more sensitive.


    Comment by Playin Possum — 6:46 pm

  2. If you care to see a more detailed perspective on the people involved in this explosion, please visit here.

    I just can’t express how incredibly far away from relevance these events are from all the war and terror happenings listed on this page.

    Comment by Matt's Friend — 3:03 am

152 posted on 07/22/2006 5:12:06 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: hoosiermama; hispanarepublicana; PhiKapMom; indcons; mplsconservative; investigateworld; ...
Hello again, everyone! Just thought I'd post to let you know that I've re-published the Comprehensive Summary that I wrote last year about the OU Bombing. Here is the new link:

War in the Heartland? Terrorism and the OU Bombing
- A Comprehensive Summary @ Liberty Rocks Blog -

I have some editing, some updating, and some links to add, but I thought with the anniversary swifly approaching, and my old blog host out of commission that I'd go ahead and re-publish what I had saved. I'll also be adding more pages containing my old blog posts over the next few days.

Take care & Stay Safe everyone!
- LR

P.S. -- If you would like on or off the OU Bombing ping list please let me know.
153 posted on 09/18/2006 12:43:38 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog:
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To: LibertyRocks

THANK YOU Liberty Rocks.

154 posted on 09/18/2006 12:45:57 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for the ping, LibertyRocks. This is another episode where we'll never really know the whole story, IMO.

155 posted on 09/18/2006 5:24:19 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (The new axis of evil: The UN, the terrorists, and the American Democratic party.)
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156 posted on 09/18/2006 5:31:55 AM PDT by OKSooner
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The mainstream mediots and Islamofascist lovers of America can't bury these acts of Islamofasicist terror any more.

Great job as usual!

157 posted on 09/18/2006 7:04:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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Thanks for the ping and your additions.

This way all of this data will be one place and available to everyone.

All of this data makes it very hard for the bureaucrats in Oklahoma and DC to ignore what happened. They will continue to try spike any news, but that doesn't work anymore.

158 posted on 09/18/2006 7:07:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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To: backhoe

Same explosive intended for use in the planned plane bombings (that were thwarted a few weeks before they happened).

159 posted on 09/18/2006 8:37:44 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Grampa Dave

Keep me on your periodic PING list.

So many stories are immediately denied as having ANY terrorist component only to slowly leak out communications (suicide notes with outright statements of terrorism and support for Bin Laden).

It is why I say that we KNOW the authorities are lying to us about some attacks. This does not mean that they are lying to us about every attack; it just means that they cannot be trusted at their word.

160 posted on 09/18/2006 8:39:57 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: backhoe

An amazing amount of work. Good job.

161 posted on 09/18/2006 8:42:52 AM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (
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....And thanks Backhoe and Dave.
162 posted on 09/18/2006 9:22:05 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Grampa Dave

163 posted on 09/18/2006 4:11:09 PM PDT by devolve
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for all your work and the ping! You rock!

164 posted on 09/19/2006 11:53:41 AM PDT by Nancie Drew
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Interesting as well is that the FEDS just raided a mosque in Columbia, MO. Seems like the heartland is being protected, thank GOD!

Also, thanks for the post. The silent majority is finally getting our voices heard.
165 posted on 09/19/2006 4:45:03 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around.)
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You are very welcome, Nancie Drew! Thank you for the compliment as well, you are too kind. (o:

166 posted on 09/21/2006 3:14:00 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog:
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You're very welcome. I saw that about the mosque in Missouri, and the charity they raided in Michigan too -- hopefully this is a first in a string of many. I could name a few places in Oklahoma they could look into. (o;

167 posted on 09/21/2006 3:16:10 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog:
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You're welcome Grampa Dave. I'm adding a few more direct links in the post below this one for other info, including downloadable documents I've re-published at my blog as well.

I'm so greatful for the internet and all the bloggers out there -- you are so right, they can't keep a lid on things quite so easily anymore... (o:

168 posted on 09/21/2006 3:18:44 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog:
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Bumped and bookmarked.

169 posted on 09/21/2006 3:40:46 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Appreciate your looking.

170 posted on 09/21/2006 3:48:44 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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Hi everyone,

Following is a complete list of all the postings and downloadable documents I have available at the Liberty Rocks Blog now. (If any of you ever have any trouble accessing the downloadable documents please let me know as they are taken off the free file host if they are not accessed for a while.)

Re-published Posts:

""Cover-up? Missing Video Report at Ch. 5 KOCO-TV"

[NOTES: The video in question is titled, "Learning More about Hinrichs". If anyone has the KOCO-TV video in question taped or saved, please let me know. It's very important as I know of several people are attempting to access the information in this particular report. It would also aid in attempts to prove that KOCO-TV pulled another video during the coverage of the Murrah Federal Building. Thank you.]

Hinrichs’ Missing Ammo - Triangle Fraternity Meeting Notes

OU Suicide Note? STILL More Questions Than Answers

OU Magistrate Unseals Documents in the OU Bombing Case

FBI Docs Available for Download

Downloads Available:
(NOTES: To download the documents please follow the link and click on the words "Download File" which is on the left above the Google ads. Thanks to for providing this free service.)

FBI Statements (.pdf files):

Statement on October 2, 2005:

Statement on October 4, 2005:

Statements from David L. Boren, President of OU (.pdf documents):

1st Statement Released

2nd Statement Released

Letter from October 6, 2005

Triangle Fraternity Meeting Notes (.zip files containing .html file)

April 1st

April 5th

April 12th

Missing KOCO-TV Video Screen Shots (.gif files):

Link results for Missing Video (Screen Shot)

Page containing Video Title (Screen-shot)

Michelle Malkin scanned and made available the 90+ page FBI Report in .pdf format. You can access the document in this blog posting: (This link is probably here already, but just in case here it is again. (o:)
FBI Documents at

Also available at the Liberty Rocks Blog on the OU Bombing Focus Page is a list of media articles (scroll down). And, don't forget the Comprehensive Summary.

Thank you for everyone's encouragement and support! I appreciate it... Take care and God Bless!
- LR

171 posted on 09/21/2006 3:56:58 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog:
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Here's another one to add to the list:

172 posted on 11/22/2006 5:55:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: backhoe

bump for publicity

173 posted on 11/22/2006 5:58:36 PM PST by VOA
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I appreciate the link- thank you.

174 posted on 11/23/2006 5:01:51 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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