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Posted on 10/05/2005 4:51:42 PM PDT by doug from upland
JAYNA DAVIS: Report No. 1 - OU SUICIDE BOMBING CASE
As FReepers are probably aware, Jayna Davis, indefatigable reporter and author of THE THIRD TERRORIST, is on the case of the OU suicide bomber. A local FReeper is giving her assistance. Here are some of the highlights of our discussion a short time ago:
1 - she has spoken to the feed store owner, Justin Ellison . . . Joel Hinrichs III exhibited strange behavior while in the feed store trying to buy ammonium nitrate . . . the store owner asked why he wanted it, and Hinrichs turned away and started mumbling to himself
2 - Hinrichs was dressed in a photographer's vest that was stuffed . . . a wire was noticed sticking out of it
3 - a plain clothes officer was in the store at the time and witnessed what happened . . . Jayna is not clear who got it, but someone got the plate number to track the guy
4 - they did a background check and he came out clean . . . Jayna reminds us that he was a "lily white," just like McVeigh and Nichols
5 - Norman PD could not confirm much for Jayna because this has gone up the food chain . . . they did answer a few questions about procedure, however . . . this would have gone to a special ops task force . . . but what about the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF)? . . . Norman, Oklahoma has no budget for an officer or a JTTF office! . . . Jayna was stunned . . . the area around OKC is on the front line . . . Norman was the home of the former chief pilot of Osama bin Laden . . . Moussaoui got his flight training there . . . Atta and Alshehhi visited the Airman Flight School in Norman . . .Minepta's mosque is there . . . the VP recruiter for the overseas Al-Fatah network was in Norman
6 - the police in Norman did their job after the report of the feed store incident . . . they knew it was Hinrichs right away after the bombing - they knew it before DNA tests . . . Jayna wonders if their quick action prevented a major casualty count . . . Jayna wonders if they possible had done a "knock and talk" on him before the event to shake him up
7 - a local reporter who verbally attacked Jayna before is at it again . . . the reporter is kissing up and apologizing to the local Muslim community
8 - a security guard at the stadium would not give Jayna info about whether Hinrichs tried to get in with the backpack at halftime . . . apparently, that may be the time when some of the crowd leaves the stadium and comes back with alchohol - so the guards look for that . . . Jayna thinks that, had he planned it better, there was a possibility that he could have gotten in with the crowd at the beginning of the game
9 - officials are denying that there was something else that did not detonate . . . there are differing stories in the news
10 - how is this for quick action and approval? . . . OU is erecting concrete barriers at the stadium to prevent a truck bombing
11 - Jayna says thanks to all the FReepers . . . YOU GUYS ARE GREAT
good info.....keep it up
Anything new here?
You may want to use your ping list.
Obviously, this kid was a sick puppy. He was probably at first intent on killing a lot of people within the stadium, and either got cold feet or was turned away, then just decided to kill himself anyway. That's how I see it at this time with what is being said.
I haven't seen all the reports, so this indeed might not have anything new. But, instead of hearing it from the other reporters, I wanted it directly from someone I trust. Jayna's work may help prevent the next big attack. When everyone knows what she knows, the Clinton legacy is in total shambles.
Keep it coming, Doug.
The fact that he won't talk indicates Hinrichs DID try and WAS turned back. If he hadn't tried to get in, he would just say so and that would be in keeping with the bogus lone suicide story.
But the fact he was ordered to say nothing proves the coverup.
If the guard even brags about doing his job correctly (which he did), it would confirm the muslim-suicide-Bomber story. The guard has to be pissed, he doesn't even get credit for doing the right thing (by virtue of the fact that he successfully prevented a mass murder).
I'm quite curious about the last 5 or 10 minutes of Hinrichs life. I guess I wonder if police were already on scene when the bomb went off.
Either that or someone else triggered the boom remotely. Maybe cellphone parts are not mentioned for police reasons.
Has any more been learned about the two or three swarthy guys seen running from the scene?
He lived across from a Mosque (had heard reports he attended the Mosque - same where 9-11 terrorists have been). Room mate is a Paki.
thanks for keeping your eye on this...
Here's a factless supposition:
Assuming this is a Muslim event at its core, what if his handlers caught wind of the fact that the Norman PD was checking him out, and they made the quick decision to "set him up the bomb"?
I don't have any knowledge of how and why his bomb exploded, but if it's possible his handlers set it off, what do you think of this as one possibility? His handlers knew they needed a lily-white, and all of a sudden, he's under suspicion.
All they need to do to solve the mystery of his intentions is to check for shrapnel. If he loaded the vest with nails, ball bearings, or something similar, then he definitely was looking to kill others.
Well, you'll be waiting a long time for that. LOL. However, it is all on the FR threads.
I don't have the answers. I was out of town for five days and am way behind the news cycle.
Thanks to Spunky for the ping. Great job with the phone call, DFU. Yet another scoop from you.
Cranking up the ping machine......folks, please see DFU's interview with Jayna Davis.
New consolidated list-o-links from FR on its way :)
I am a season ticket holder for OU and was at the game. I can say that anything being brought into the game is checked at the gate ( I always bring binoculars, my wife her purse). i think he'd have a hard time getting in if the bomb was in a back pack. he may have realized this and decided to try plan B.
I can also tell you, I've been to mosque (long story) and it left me cold. One scrawny runt told me "We look on Jesus as a prophet and a very good man, but the gospels that say he was divine were written by Jews so we know they are lied." He said this as casusally as "The weather in Oklahoma is apt to change without a moments notice."
If she can get something really definitive, Jayna is willing to join us on a live discussion thread. She doesn't have it yet.
I would imagine that this perp was one of the Americans who becomes an "honorary Pakistani" within the typical clique of Pakistani students which exists at many major universities. Attending all the parties, other social events, mosques - whatever ...
dressed in a photographer's vest that was stuffed
I thought he was probably wearing a fisherman's vest or a hunting vest that had a warming device, which would have accounted for the wires and general electronic look of the thing.
However, I'm pretty much convinced - for example, by the fact that he had recently moved to an apartment complex inhabited almost entirely by Asians and Middle Eastern Muslims - that he was either an Islamic dupe or an American Islamist nutcase.
Personally, I don't think he knew he was on a suicide mission. I think he believed that he was placing charges to detonate other explosives, and suddenly, somehow - he blew up. Whether this was because he was being followed and somebody took him out with a quick headshot, knowing the charges would detonate, or because the unstable materiel blew up on its own, I don't know. But I think he believed that he was going to live to kill again, which is probably the new Islamic motto.
From what I have read, some of the London bombers apparently thought they were going home after the bombing. And some of the Madrid bombers actually did go home without any problem after they had dropped off and armed their bombs.
Thanks for your input. Can you get a photo of the mosque for us?
Jayna thought it might have been a photo vest, but I'm sure other vests have loads of pockets and are similar. If it was a fisherman's vest, he could have answered Ellison that he wanted the ammonium nitrate to blow up fish. That is easier than a rod and reel.
Doug, anyway we can contact this reporter that is giving Jayna a hard time?
I suspect that the guards have now been instructed to zip it.
You blow yourself up in a public place....IT'S CALLED TERRORISM!
I think we need to give the guy at the fertilizer store a whole lotta credit for being alert and refusing to sell to Hinrichs. Could have been MUCH worse...
Jayna just mentioned it in passing and didn't give me the name. I would guess it is someone on local TV and they probably have a story about her asking the Muslim community for forgiveness.
Check your FReepmail.
Lessee... No Girls, No Beer, No Porn,
Right proud to get a reply from you of all Freepers. I am not worthy...
I'll see what I can do, but I'll tell you that it looks like a Kennedy compound, highwalls and iron fencing. Oh, and also a strange odor!
I understand. I was throwing it out there, hoping somebody would slay it. Maybe somebody will yet.
Thanks for your report from Jayna. I had not previously known there was a reporter who apologizes to Muslims and is on Jayna's case. Do you have more information about that and is there some way we can approach that person's supervisor?
If you can, give us the location and what is around it. Your onsite observations might be interesting.
At first glance of the title I read GEENA DAVIS--SUICIDE.
Then I read more closely, and well, am disappointed.
Continually checking on this obvious cover-up. Moved fairly recently to the OKC area...this is a disturbing situation, to say the least. Not that I'm surprised that they are sweeping this under the rug. I am shocked that so many people are willing to accept the cleaned-up version of the story at face value.
No, you give me too much credit. We are all part of the Pajamahadeen and just need to keep our eyes open.
Jayna is very concerned about a cell still in OKC. There are cells all over this country but I guess we are just going to have to continue being "sensitive."
Street Address please. We can key that into Google Earth...
Attending all the parties, other social events, Lessee... No Girls, No Beer, No Porn
No bbq pork ribs, but nanny goats in the back yard.
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
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