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The Miers Misstep: What was President Bush thinking?
WSJ Opinion Journal ^ | October 06, 2005 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/06/2005 2:24:09 AM PDT by AntiGuv

That having been said, the Meirs pick was another administration misstep. The president misread the field, the players, their mood and attitude. He called the play, they looked up from the huddle and balked. And debated. And dissed. Momentum was lost. The quarterback looked foolish.

The president would have been politically better served by what Pat Buchanan called a bench-clearing brawl. A fractious and sparring base would have come together arm in arm to fight for something all believe in: the beginning of the end of command-and-control liberalism on the U.S. Supreme Court. Senate Democrats, forced to confront a serious and principled conservative of known stature, would have damaged themselves in the fight. If in the end President Bush lost, he'd lose while advancing a cause that is right and doing serious damage to the other side. Then he could come back to win with the next nominee. And if he won he'd have won, rousing his base and reminding them why they're Republicans.

The headline lately is that conservatives are stiffing the president. They're in uproar over Ms. Meirs, in rebellion over spending, critical over cronyism. But the real story continues to be that the president feels so free to stiff conservatives. The White House is not full of stupid people. They knew conservatives would be disappointed that the president chose his lawyer for the high court. They knew conservatives would eventually awaken over spending. They knew someone would tag them on putting friends in high places. They knew conservatives would not like the big-government impulses revealed in the response to Hurricane Katrina. The headline is not that this White House endlessly bows to the right but that it is not at all afraid of the right. Why? This strikes me as the most interesting question.

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Noonan: "Back to Ms. Meirs herself, and the merits of her nomination. What would she be like on the bench? I know the answer. So do you. It's: Nobody knows. It's all a mystery. In considering who will fill one of the most consequential power positions in the country we are all reduced to, 'I like this, I don't like that.'"

Another 'barking moonbat' joins with Norquist, Weyrich, Coulter, Levin, Malkin, Goldberg, Kristol, Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Novak, Buchanan, the Eagle Forum, Operation Rescue, et al.

1 posted on 10/06/2005 2:24:10 AM PDT by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv

Peggy Noonan:

Here are some maybes. Maybe the president has simply concluded he has no more elections to face and no longer needs his own troops to wage the ground war and contribute money. Maybe with no more elections to face he's indulging a desire to show them who's boss. Maybe he has concluded he has a deep and unwavering strain of support within the party that, come what may, will stick with him no matter what. Maybe he isn't all that conservative a fellow, or at least all that conservative in the old, usual ways, and has been waiting for someone to notice. Maybe he has decided the era of hoping for small government is over. Maybe he is a big-government Republican who has a shrewder and more deeply informed sense of the right than his father did, but who ultimately sees the right not as a thing he is of but a thing he must appease, defy, please or manipulate. Maybe after five years he is fully revealing himself. Maybe he is unveiling a new path that he has not fully articulated--he'll call the shots from his gut and leave the commentary to the eggheads. Maybe he's totally blowing it with his base, and in so doing endangering the present meaning and future prospects of his party.

Whatever the answer, history is being revealed here by the administration every day, and it's big history, not small.


2 posted on 10/06/2005 2:24:58 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
What was President Bush thinking?

What is the dear lovely Peggy thinking?

3 posted on 10/06/2005 2:25:46 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: beyond the sea

It's definitely worth reading the entire op-ed! Excerpts can't do it justice.


4 posted on 10/06/2005 2:27:37 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
If the American people decide she seems like a good person--sympathetic, wise, even-keeled, knowledgeable--she'll be in

Well then ........... she'll be in.

5 posted on 10/06/2005 2:27:55 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv
Signs of an Administration adrift. And the mid-term elections are just around the corner. If the President owed any favors, it was to the base. They loyally stuck by him and now when he needs them they're scattered to the wind. Its not too late to salvage things but the President needs to make a course correction. The sooner the better.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 10/06/2005 2:28:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AntiGuv

Someday the bushbots are going to realize that calling everyone names that don't agree with the President is not a winning tactic.

Meanwhile, I think this nomination marks a turning point for Bush. He's jumped the shark and is no longer relevant. He's truly a lame duck now.


7 posted on 10/06/2005 2:28:46 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: AntiGuv
regular people watched him, listened to the workings of his fabulous and exotic mind, saw the intensity, the hunger for intellectual engagement, caught the whiff of brandy and cigars and angels dancing, noticed the unusual hair, the ambivalent whiskers

Well, at least she can still string the words together......

;-)

8 posted on 10/06/2005 2:29:15 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv
There's a great old American tradition of not really liking Church Lady

Really? When did that take hold?

9 posted on 10/06/2005 2:30:47 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: saganite
Someday the bushbots are going to realize that calling everyone names that don't agree with the President is not a winning tactic.

Would you like to remove that beam from your own eye?

10 posted on 10/06/2005 2:30:51 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!)
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To: saganite
I wouldn't be that harsh. Every one makes mistakes. But its up to the Administration to acknowledge much of its agenda has stalled. Time is growing short and while the situation can be redressed, there is a point when people are going to look ahead beyond this particular President. Its time for him to get back on the offensive.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
11 posted on 10/06/2005 2:31:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: beyond the sea
"Pile-on" Peggy never misses a chance to bash the President. She is a hollow shell compared to what she once was.

Just go back 1 year and read the crap she wrote while on sabbatical in England. She has become nothing more than a Washington Elite... Snob!!! This is why Miers pisses her off so badly. Miers shuns the Washington Elite by refusing to socialize with them. This is the death knoll for Conservatives in Washington... and why I like her more and more!

LLS
12 posted on 10/06/2005 2:31:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

There you go. It's still not winning any points.


13 posted on 10/06/2005 2:31:44 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: AntiGuv

Or maybe the President did what was right for the movement rather than what would've made the members of the movement happy.

His personality is more like that of a parent than that of a petty politician. The Left regularly underestimates him. It seems many on the Right have fallen for the same kind of elitist thinking that causes one to underestimate him.

I swear - he's outsmarted every single one of his opponents, and not it seems as if he's outsmarted a large number of his own supporters.

And everyone from the Left to the disappointed Right are still calling him an idiot who got lucky a few times.


14 posted on 10/06/2005 2:31:58 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: AntiGuv
The president misread the field, the players, their mood and attitude. He called the play, they looked up from the huddle and balked. And debated. And dissed. Momentum was lost. The quarterback looked foolish.

Pitchers balk ....... and Peggy looks foolish. She's been hanging around Manhattan too long.

15 posted on 10/06/2005 2:32:58 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv
The president would have been politically better served by what Pat Buchanan called a bench-clearing brawl.

This may very well be true.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 2:33:53 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: saganite
Someday people like you may quit calling brothers in arms derogatory names. It too is a losing tactic.

LLS
17 posted on 10/06/2005 2:33:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

You consider the term bushbot a derogatory name? Interesting.


18 posted on 10/06/2005 2:35:10 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: AntiGuv

"Another 'barking moonbat' joins with Norquist, Weyrich, Coulter, Levin, Malkin, Goldberg, Kristol, Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Novak, Buchanan, the Eagle Forum, Operation Rescue, et al."

Bears repeating. The Bush fan club spinsters has lots of work to do.


19 posted on 10/06/2005 2:35:15 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: AntiGuv
he'll call the shots from his gut and leave the commentary to the eggheads

Good. There are more than enough eggheads out there.

20 posted on 10/06/2005 2:36:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv

I have been critical of Peggy Noonan in the past for writing fragrant words with little substance. This is not such a column. Kudos to Peggy for demonstrating her insight.


21 posted on 10/06/2005 2:37:54 AM PDT by counterpunch
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To: AntiGuv
The president would have been politically better served by what Pat Buchanan called a bench-clearing brawl.

Peggy .. why does there always have to be a fight?

Why can't you all just believe that he thinks Harriet Miers is the best person for the bench?

Come time for the hearings ... we all will find out for ourselves

22 posted on 10/06/2005 2:38:11 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: AntiGuv; Tolik; Congressman Billybob; NCSteve; Tax-chick; ConservativeGadfly; TaxRelief

One of Peggy Noonan's better pieces in a while! Somehow coming from someone as gentle in her words as Peggy makes this all the more powerful.


23 posted on 10/06/2005 2:39:10 AM PDT by Huber (Renominate Bork!)
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To: saganite
He's truly a lame duck now.

Ducks.........geese.

****

Remember this: Swift Geese Veterans for Truth

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255054/posts

24 posted on 10/06/2005 2:40:05 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: LibLieSlayer
She has become nothing more than a Washington Elite... Snob!!

Yes she has. I used to really like her..... almost wanted to take her out on the town and mess up that lovely harvest hair of hers. She always has been more sugar and flavoring than substance. Now she's an odd middle-aged woman who poses more than any thing else.

25 posted on 10/06/2005 2:43:49 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv

Go ahead and add me to the list as well. :-p


26 posted on 10/06/2005 2:44:56 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: coconutt2000
I swear - he's outsmarted every single one of his opponents, and not it seems as if he's outsmarted a large number of his own supporters. And everyone from the Left to the disappointed Right are still calling him an idiot who got lucky a few times.

GWB: HBS MBA

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070924/posts

The American Thinker February 3, 2004 | Thomas Lifson

*****

One final note on George W. Bush’s management style and his Harvard Business School background does not derive from the classroom, per se. One feature of life there is that a subculture of poker players exists. Poker is a natural fit with the inclinations, talents, and skills of many future entrepreneurs. A close reading of the odds, combined with the ability to out-psych the opposition, leads to capital accumulation in many fields, aside from the poker table.

By reputation, the President was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student. One of the secrets of a successful poker player is to encourage your opponent to bet a lot of chips on a losing hand. This is a pattern of behavior one sees repeatedly in George W. Bush’s political career. He is not one to loudly proclaim his strengths at the beginning of a campaign. Instead, he bides his time, does not respond forcefully, at least at first, to critiques from his enemies, no matter how loud and annoying they get. If anything, this apparent passivity only goads them into making their case more emphatically.

27 posted on 10/06/2005 2:46:23 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: AntiGuv
But the real story continues to be that the president feels so free to stiff conservatives

You've stiffed this president a few times already Peg.

28 posted on 10/06/2005 2:46:30 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: AntiGuv
Another 'barking moonbat' joins with Norquist, Weyrich, Coulter, Levin, Malkin, Goldberg, Kristol, Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Novak, Buchanan, the Eagle Forum, Operation Rescue, et al.

Doesn't it give you pause to note this list of "moonbats" constitute the ideological lynchpin connecting the American people to the Republican party?

29 posted on 10/06/2005 2:54:39 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: AntiGuv

I've payed no attention to Peggy for the last 6 months. Don't know what the problem is, maybe mental-pause, but she's been in a negative critical mode for awhile now.


30 posted on 10/06/2005 2:54:50 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: saganite

You sure do post alot of negative stuff about Bush.

"Jumped the shark," well he's not Fonzie.

For one so New (9/15) to FR, makes one go "Hmmm?".


31 posted on 10/06/2005 2:57:11 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Read my tagline. I've been here for years.


32 posted on 10/06/2005 2:58:16 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: papertyger

It gives me pause/note that most are journalists or TV media type who love to "hype" a story.

Novak, Kristol, Buchanan, and Savage as lynchpins of the Republican party...now that's funny.


33 posted on 10/06/2005 2:59:58 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: saganite

So what made you "sign up" on 9/15, or should I say "re-sign up?"


34 posted on 10/06/2005 3:00:50 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: coconutt2000
I swear - he's outsmarted every single one of his opponents, and not it seems as if he's outsmarted a large number of his own supporters.

His critics and detractors always overplay their hand when trying to rip his decisions apart.

35 posted on 10/06/2005 3:00:53 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: AntiGuv
Another 'barking moonbat' joins with Norquist, Weyrich, Coulter, Levin, Malkin, Goldberg, Kristol, Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Novak, Buchanan, the Eagle Forum, Operation Rescue, et al.

This issue is doing a good job of distinguishing partisans from conservatives. Add me to the list of Barking Moonbats.

36 posted on 10/06/2005 3:01:23 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I'm still remembering the time Limbaugh apologized to the President on the air for not understanding his strategy, and bashing him on a certain decision. (my memory doesn't serve me well, as I can't remember exactly what it was...all I remember that Limbaugh was negative for days and then had to do an about face...I think it was the 2002 election lead up.)


37 posted on 10/06/2005 3:03:06 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: AntiGuv
Well many conservatives are upset and confused. Bush didn't use his advantage, his political capital forcefully enough. Bush didn't square off and fight the Goliath, the Libs weenies, for the final showdown, the Armageddon of our Supreme Court. No, he didn't face off and that is frustrating.

If I were a liberal though, I'd be way more nervous about the Meirs appointment. Harry Reid is already on record supporting her and he knows less about her and has less reason to be supportive, for sure. His hand is crippled now having walked around with her saying nice things.

Know that the Souter Liberal drift is not a given. Frustratingly, we've seen it too many times, true, but it is not a guaranteed drift.

I think Bush feels that the very BEST way to get a conservative SCJ approved (don't forget, we have an annoying number of RINOs even though we do hold the majority) AND to prevent a Souter Liberal from being appointed is to know that person very well.

He says he knows Harrriet Meirs and she won't drift. He knows her better than any President has EVER known a SC nominee. That ALONE is why I'm not pulling out my hair.

I feel mildly secure, not because Harriet Meirs is a known conservative entity, but because I trust Bush and his ability to recognize character. At this point we don't have much choice, now do we? The more conservative clamor the more the Libs will want her appointed, seems to me. It is an odd play for Bush but it just may be genius.

38 posted on 10/06/2005 3:04:06 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (Why is it all the dead vote for the Democrat?)
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To: beyond the sea

Thanks for that link. It would appear to me that Lifson is correct and that Rush has forgotten the article.


39 posted on 10/06/2005 3:05:28 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: papertyger

It is surely a cross-section of the luminaries of the conservative movement, and just as they've been shredded for daring to question GWB's 'inspired' nomination it seems now Peggy will get dragged through the mud as well.


40 posted on 10/06/2005 3:06:17 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: saganite
Someday the Bushbots are going to realize that Bush won't do anything to control the borders.

Sure hope for Bush (and us) that Meirs is not another Souter.

41 posted on 10/06/2005 3:08:06 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: ThirstyMan
Well many conservatives are upset and confused. Bush didn't use his advantage, his political capital forcefully enough.

Yes. Bush had enormous political capital from Roberts, and beyond that, he had something more. He had an inheritance. When it came to a Supreme Court nominee, it wasn't merely a balance of political capital deposited and deducted from a political capital account by way of elections and current events. He inherited the hopes and dreams of an entire movement that predates himself by decades. Bush believed this inheritance was a Blind Trust. He is now learning that it is not. It is this inheritance that he has squandered, and that is the true shame of it all.
42 posted on 10/06/2005 3:13:14 AM PDT by counterpunch
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To: AntiGuv
Why do they all start getting loopy after the 'lights fade' and their 15 minutes of glory is over? It's as if they have to write more and more nutty stuff to get back the attention they so desperate crave.
43 posted on 10/06/2005 3:13:26 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: saganite
I think this nomination marks a turning point for Bush. He's jumped the shark and is no longer relevant.

That's a VERY premature obituary there sag. Wait this thing out and see how she handles herself at the hearings before crying out like Chicken Little: "The sky is falling!"

44 posted on 10/06/2005 3:14:13 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (Why is it all the dead vote for the Democrat?)
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To: AntiGuv
And so the historical irony: Supreme Court justices are more powerful than ever while who and what they are is more mysterious than ever. We have a two part problem. The first is that no one knows what they think until they're there.

Following her reasoning to the logical conclusion that we have no paper trail is not important because even if we have the nominee with the worlds best paper trail we would still not know.

I partly disagree because while a paper trail does not guarantee one way or the other, she is right about that, it does give you a good indication. However I partly agree because I have seen them go both ways on the bench. Character might be more important then than a paper trail in deciding who should be nominated.

So let us put the question of a paper trail aside.

So then what is the problem with this pick? To sum up this article, "I wanted to see a fight and I didn't!"

That seems to be the general wail by those who would have been munching popcorn in the stands rather then actually on the battlefield.

I am not sure that a desire to see other people battered and bloody is a good reason to have a war. There should be some other gain to offset the possibility of loss. And there would be loss.

While the battle would be join to the cheers of the fight fans in the stand the non political junkies on both sides would have been shaking their heads in disgust. And whether we like it or not non political junkies are the majority of the vote.

One of the reasons the democrats are losing voters is they are repeatedly giving in to their fight fans. The voters who want calm, reasoned and orderly are turned off by this and either vote for the other side or do not vote at all. But they have to appease their fight fans because they can either appease them or be targeted by them.

Now the Republicans are finding themselves in the same unhappy position. Either they give the fight fans their circus or they will be savaged by them.

Is this really where we want to go as a party?

45 posted on 10/06/2005 3:14:31 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!)
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To: AmericaUnited
P.S. Then when they realize 'no one cares' anymore, they just continually lash out in bitter rants....

Move over Pat, Peggy needs a seat...

46 posted on 10/06/2005 3:14:41 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: dawn53

I hadn't heard about that. Interesting nonetheless though!


47 posted on 10/06/2005 3:15:14 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: saganite
Exactly.

It isn't. In fact it makes you look very weak. Glad to see that you understand that.

48 posted on 10/06/2005 3:16:37 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!)
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To: AntiGuv
" ... Maybe he [President Bush] is unveiling a new path that he has not fully articulated--he'll call the shots from his gut and leave the commentary to the eggheads."


After reading this entire, long and rather pathetic article, I can only say that thanks to Ms Peggy Noonan I am back to my original thoughts on the SCOTUS nominations. None should EVER be women!

God save us all.



49 posted on 10/06/2005 3:16:53 AM PDT by G.Mason ("The Donner Party faithful" ... deport, Oct 4th 2005 ... They're not just hungry, they're ravenous!)
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To: counterpunch

Quite right...conservative voters are in a rage but I think its deeper than this nominee. Republicans constantly caving in to the RATS is taking its toll finally.

I must repectfully dissagree with those that want another selection and have a fight in the senate, for one reason.....the Republicans would cave in...again.


50 posted on 10/06/2005 3:18:27 AM PDT by rrrod
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