Posted on 10/06/2005 5:29:18 PM PDT by wagglebee
A Muslim teenager was stabbed 46 times in an "honour killing" after getting engaged to a girl whose father had decided should marry someone else, a jury heard yesterday.
Chomar Ali, 44, a Bangladeshi, had organised an arranged marriage for his only daughter, Manna Begum, 19, and was furious when she not only started going out with Arash Ghorbani-Zarin, an Iranian, but became pregnant by him.
Ali confined his daughter to her room, where she slashed her wrists and had to be taken to hospital. On her return home she remained defiant and she and her boyfriend insisted they should stay together and get married.
Ali then arranged for his son and another youth to ambush 19-year-old Mr Ghorbani-Zarin in his car, a jury at Oxford Crown Court was told. The victim, a former Oxford Brookes University student, was found in November with his body tied to the driver's seat and covered in wounds.
Miss Begum was described in court as being in love with her boyfriend, who gave up his studies to support her and their unborn child.
"The dislike of the relationship is the motive for the attack on Mr Ghorbani-Zarin," said Julian Baughan, prosecuting. "The relationship with the girl brought shame and dishonour on the family. That drove the accused, led by the head of the family, to murder Mr Ghorbani-Zarin to vindicate the family's honour."
The relationship "was not in accordance with the family's religious belief and protocol", said Mr Baughan. "When they found out about it, they stopped her going out, seeing friends, or communicating on the phone."
After Miss Begum was released from hospital, Mr Ghorbani-Zarin tried to see her. Mr Ali told his wife to fetch a knife and the teenager was ordered to stay away.
Miss Begum was later allowed to return to college but used this as an opportunity to run away and stay with a friend's relative.
In August last year she discovered she was pregnant and the couple became engaged. "He wanted to marry her and live happily ever after," said Mr Baughan.
Miss Begum moved back to her family but continued to see her fiancé. On the night of his death, Mr Ghorbani-Zarin had arranged to pick her up to go to visit a friend. The jury heard that he never arrived.
A police patrol discovered him in his Renault a short distance from her house. His head had been tied to the head-restraint. Three of the wounds on his body had punctured his heart and 13 had punctured his lungs.
"Whoever attacked him intended to kill him," said Mr Baughan. Three days later a man was seen throwing a Tesco carrier bag into nearby allotments. It contained a bloodied knife with the tip snapped off, a baseball cap and a pair of black gloves among other clothing.
The court was told that on Nov 21, Ali's son, Mohammed Rahman, now also 19, was arrested at home and charged with the murder.
His father, a waiter at an Indian restaurant in Oxford, was charged on March 7.
Ali denies murder and assisting an offender. His son denies murder, as does a third defendant aged 16.
The trial continues.
Knocking off the guy who got your unmarried daughter pregnant has roots in American tradition, too. The stabbing business is rather outre', but with Britain's gun laws ...
Anyone still think this ilk is able to engage in rational dialogue with respect to making "Peace"????
WAKE UP!!!!!!!
What a cool culture.
Straight out of the 9th Century are these scumbags.No wonder The Most Ethical President In History just announced that he wants them to win in Iraq.
just for those three who won't get it: /sarcasm
But they wanted to get married,
Which,
at least accordin' to Southern Shotgun Wedding Tradition,
is the main objective.
The religion of peace, love, and charitable sale of one's female relatives to the highest bidder.
Under Sharia, this killing was not a crime. The crime was the daughter not accepting the master to whom she was sold.
To put it in legal terms, the father's property rights in his daughter are superior to any right she may have to life (let alone to freedom of association).
This is the bare face of the mohammedan faith. This is the faith that they will have us all accept -- or kill us for resisting.
Any questions as to why we are at war?
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
Good point.
I don't know, it certainly seems different to me!
Romeo and Juliet comes to mind...
Clearly the U.K. must now ban steak knives.
Doesn't work: the boy was killed in this incident, not the girl.
BTTT
Only if he refused to marry her.
This guy wanted to marry the girl and was of the same religion.
I'll bet the reason why he is dead is because he is a Shi'ite and the girl's family Sunni.
The story is written as if the daughter was murdered, but read it more closely - it is the daughter's "fiance" who was stabbed to death. He was an Iranian guy who had a relationship with a Bangaleshi woman.
There are a couple of odd points to this story.
It is repeatedly stated that the couple wanted to marry. So - why didn't they marry? Also, the pregnant woman had returned home to live with her family again, and then her boyfriend was murdered by them. I suspect a revenge killing, I wonder if she was in on it, and I am sure that the Iranian boyfriend had no intention of ever marrying this girl.
Freakin' Muslims are Klingons
You're kidding right?
Depends ... is he from the family that swindled your grandpop out of that nice piece of bottomland? Were his people on the wrong side of the War? Are they Missionary Baptists and we're Primitive Baptists?
Good point about the Sunni-Shi'ite issue.
Oh, for heaven's sake. I'm indulging in a little cultural facetiousness, okay?
What, are you saying the girl was killed? That's not what the article says.
No, I'm saying that a barbarian lacks any sense of "honor" and in no case is this barbaric behavior justified.
No, of course it's not justified.
I can somehow see the leftists trying to portray this as an example of "progressive" Islam because this barbarian killed the man who impregnated his daughter/property, but didn't beat or kill his daughter/property.
I see your point. I'm guessing, as "wideawake" mentioned, that the difference might have to do with the young man's being Iranian. In fact, thinking of the very superior Persian-Americans I've known, it wouldn't surprise me if his family had problems with his plans to marry a Bangladeshi.
Can you, wagglebee, fill us in as to what the second photo is showing? It looks like she's being buried alive. Truly dreadful if it's not doctored, and it doesn't look like it is.
My apologies, Dear Lady.
You are so good at it that I would like to suggest </sarc off> or ;-). Only because your use of the facetious is so good.
Thanks for the compliment. It's been a conflict all my life ... if I have to spell out "I'M JOKING, Y'ALL!" all the time, it spoils the joke. On the other hand, when everyone takes it seriously, that's no fun, either.
Here is another picture of a stoning.
Depends who the father is. Haven't you ever been in a feud?
Thanks for posting the pictures and explaining them. It just further stiffens my resolve against these people, these mad savages.
If it's an "honor killing" that means everything is on the up and up, right?
They make Klingons look downright Vulcan!
Bloody inhuman savages.
I saw a video of one a few years ago, and it was horrible.
Honor Killings?
The ONLY honor would come from killing these lunatic bastards, before they have the opportunity to bring their madness to our world and our grandchildren...
Semper Fi
No I’m not a apologist for sharia, although it might have been a civilizing thing for those people when it was first brought in – back all those centuries ago – but in our time it has some very retrograde features, most notably the death penalty for apostacy.
What I was pointing out in this post, is that this case is not what it appears to be. It is neither about sharia, nor what we would normally consider an honour killing. It looks like an act of revenge, to me. And there laws of human behaviour much older than sharia, or our legal systems, which determine that a man who seduces another man’s daughter and leaves her unmarried and pregnant, is putting his life at risk. This is deplorable – but that’s the way it is. In England, right up until the mid-19th century, a man could be killed in a duel for doing that, and killing the seducer of your sister or daughter was not considered murder. In countries like Portugal or Cyprus, to this day, a court would take a very lenient view of such a case – and these are Christians.
And Tax-chick is right - such codes were a part of US culture, in the south, until relatively recently. Someone wrote a book about it - call "death and honor" or something like that - about men offing each other for "crimes" of unallowed sexual relationships. The juries could never get around to convicting them.
It may be that I am maligning this Iranian student, and he did intend to marry his girlfriend, in the future. But by leaving her to go home, unwed and pregnant, he was putting her in a very difficult situation. Of course, we might all be maligning the accused (they have pleaded innocent) maybe they are not guilty of this murder – but it looks like they are.
One thing I will say, is that I am absolutely against this plague of illegitimate children, being raised by single mothers with successions of boyfriends. It is social experiment of the worst kind. It is a plague, it is a disaster, and if it keeps on, it will destroy our society.
Excellent summary, and very much what I understood you to mean from the start.
My point (to the extent I had one other than humor), is that a murder based on an unmarried daughter's pregnancy is not unique to Islamic cultures or to Sharia law. This is how the Hatfield-McCoy fued started. It's not as easy as "marry the girl" when the father is associated with enemies of the family.
It's really unfathomable for us how they can be that way.
All cultures are equal, yeah sure. BTW, you've got a great tag-line!
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