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Dubya the gambler will enjoy the last laugh
Jewish World Review ^ | 10/7/05 | Tony Snow

Posted on 10/07/2005 2:34:38 AM PDT by pookie18

The Harriet Miers nomination has set off one of the most delightful psychodramas in recent Washington history. President Bush, the habitual iconoclast, shattered prevailing traditions and expectations by asking his former personal attorney and now-White House counsel to assume a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Elites hate the nomination. Miers, in contrast to the polymath John Roberts, has little direct experience with constitutional law, and may know less about cases and precedents than such potential inquisitors as Sens. Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer. She hasn't spent time on the federal bench. She hasn't written sage articles for prestigious law reviews. She has little conventional pedigree — and that drives the local elites nuts.

Conservative activists also count themselves unamused. Sen. George Allen told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that of the 100 phone calls his office got on the Meirs pick before noon last Monday, only three supported the president's pick.

Many conservatives wanted the president to duke it out with Senate Democrats by selecting a known and documented constitutional originalist — Judges Michael Luttig, Michael McConnell, Edith Jones and Janice Rogers Brown topped many wish lists. The president, the thinking went, not only could have established himself as the King of Capitol Hill, he also could have killed the recent Democratic tactic of slurring and smearing conservative judicial picks.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


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1 posted on 10/07/2005 2:34:38 AM PDT by pookie18
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To: pookie18

Definately needs more cowbell...

2 posted on 10/07/2005 2:38:19 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pookie18

Tony Snow always gets the "DUH! Mr. Obvious!" Award from me...hyuk, hyuk!!!


3 posted on 10/07/2005 2:41:12 AM PDT by paulat
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To: pookie18
Elites hate the nomination

Interesting article and take on the political savvy of the President. I would like point out that many Conservatives who dislike this nomination are not elites.
I would support Tony for the SCOTUS.

4 posted on 10/07/2005 2:46:18 AM PDT by msnimje (If you suspect this post might need a sarcasm tag..... it does!)
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To: Caipirabob

Definitely could learn how to spell a little better.


5 posted on 10/07/2005 2:46:51 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: pookie18
Dubya the gambler will enjoy the last laugh

Yes --- remember this:

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GWB: HBS MBA

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070924/posts

The American Thinker February 3, 2004 | Thomas Lifson

*****

One final note on George W. Bush’s management style and his Harvard Business School background does not derive from the classroom, per se. One feature of life there is that a subculture of poker players exists. Poker is a natural fit with the inclinations, talents, and skills of many future entrepreneurs. A close reading of the odds, combined with the ability to out-psych the opposition, leads to capital accumulation in many fields, aside from the poker table.

By reputation, the President was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student. One of the secrets of a successful poker player is to encourage your opponent to bet a lot of chips on a losing hand. This is a pattern of behavior one sees repeatedly in George W. Bush’s political career. He is not one to loudly proclaim his strengths at the beginning of a campaign. Instead, he bides his time, does not respond forcefully, at least at first, to critiques from his enemies, no matter how loud and annoying they get. If anything, this apparent passivity only goads them into making their case more emphatically.

6 posted on 10/07/2005 2:47:18 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: Caipirabob
She has to take off some of that eye liner, or whatever it's called.

I saw pictures of her as a tennis star in college. She was not unattractive. Take off the black crap, Harriet! ......... and get rid of the crazy bangs.

7 posted on 10/07/2005 2:49:27 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: pookie18
The Supreme Court possesses unparalleled power for seducing those who don the black robes. No other officials in America can issue irreversible decrees. What the Supremes say, goes. Harriet Miers, the president suggested, won't get her head turned by such blandishments because she has principles. She'll remain true to conservative precepts and won't "grow" in office, regardless of what The New York Times says about her.

*****

Yep.

8 posted on 10/07/2005 2:53:50 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Doctor, my eyes... tell me what is wrong...was I unwise to leave them open for so long)
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To: beyond the sea

There are a lot of folks who do not know how to dress and put on make-up. Just go to an airport, or a movie theater, or... I'm especially attracted to the 300 pound 50 year old in tights with her boobs tucked in the waiste band! LOL


9 posted on 10/07/2005 3:01:52 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: pookie18

As mad as I was about the pick of Ms. Miers, I'm starting to think that President Bush has roped the dopes again.

So what! She will be nothing but a VOTE when it comes down to it. She can be just as dumb as a rock but if, as GW says, "she has my judicial philosophy" and she has it for the next 20 years, who cares?!

She can sit and read comic books or do a good cross word puzzle and then ask some really good lawyer questions then VOTE Pro-life, Anti-Gay, Pro-business, Anti-envirowhackos and on and on and on...

A VOTE that will back the President and all of us on the Right.

I'm starting to think that this pick is nothing more than the dopes got roped again.


10 posted on 10/07/2005 3:02:40 AM PDT by ElephantinTexas (But IF the Islamofascists win their war, they have no PLAN. Kinda like the DemokRATS.)
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To: pookie18

Bushbot article. I think a lot of these people overrate George W. Bush. Even as the Democrats underestimate him, I think many Republicans overestimate him.


11 posted on 10/07/2005 3:03:13 AM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: pookie18
Tony's pros/cons list was sort of interesting:

GW's pros:

Places high importance on character
Disdain for beltway culture

GW's cons:

Sometimes bows to political correctness
Unwilling to fight his political foes

12 posted on 10/07/2005 3:06:29 AM PDT by Huck ("I'm calling a moratorium on Miers/Bush/GOP bashing--but it won't be easy (thanks tex))
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To: ElephantinTexas
She can sit and read comic books or do a good cross word puzzle and then ask some really good lawyer questions then VOTE Pro-life, Anti-Gay, Pro-business, Anti-envirowhackos and on and on and on...

That's a possibility, I guess. I was hoping for someone bright enough to know how to vote on those instances, for example, where Scalia and Thomas DON'T vote the same way. But we'll see. She might be able to do more than read comic books. Personally, I don't want someone who votes anti gay, pro business, etc. I want someone who votes pro constitution no matter where the chips fall.

13 posted on 10/07/2005 3:09:39 AM PDT by Huck ("I'm calling a moratorium on Miers/Bush/GOP bashing--but it won't be easy (thanks tex))
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To: Seņor Zorro

Overestimate or oversell? I think he's just trying to be positive.


14 posted on 10/07/2005 3:10:27 AM PDT by Huck ("I'm calling a moratorium on Miers/Bush/GOP bashing--but it won't be easy (thanks tex))
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To: Caipirabob

LOL


15 posted on 10/07/2005 3:11:18 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Seņor Zorro

16 posted on 10/07/2005 3:12:15 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: pookie18
From the article:

The upcoming confirmation hearings will determine her fate — and the president's. If she defies expectations, George Bush will look like a genius. If the Senate rejects her nomination, his presidency will come effectively to an end.

Good article but for that tidbit at the 'end'. The fact is this: W is the leader of the GOP, now, and will remain so for a long, long time. His stamp of approval for future nominees in future elections will be very eagerly sought. The Harriet nomination, whether it goes through or not will only strengthen W (primarily b/c of her Biblical World View).

Tony was right about the genius part, but if the nomination is torpedoed, the fault will solely rest w/ Rinos first, demonrats second. Harriet and Bush will have done their part to fantastically encourage or motivate the base. Either way, the Rinos/Demonrats are going to suffer b/c of Ms. Miers and her boss.

I'm considering taping the hearings it will be such a joy to watch....

17 posted on 10/07/2005 3:13:27 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Huck

I think if you take a principled conservative with her belief in strict constructionism, and combine her with Roberts as Chief Justice, Scalia and Thomas, you get a court that can persuade anyone but Ginsberg to vote as a strict constructionist.


18 posted on 10/07/2005 3:16:47 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Mo1; doug from upland; Peach; Alamo-Girl; b4its2late; SweetCaroline; retrokitten; cripplecreek; ...

The latest from the Snow Man.


19 posted on 10/07/2005 3:20:20 AM PDT by Bahbah (Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: msnimje
How about Jay Sekulow ?

http://www.aclj.org/AboutJay/Default.aspx
20 posted on 10/07/2005 3:20:21 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: pookie18
Thanks Tony Snow. I don like you and respect you, but you worked for the Bush White House when this disaster happened.

Of all the people to talk about why we should not be worried, it should not be you.

21 posted on 10/07/2005 3:20:56 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

don = do


22 posted on 10/07/2005 3:21:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
How about Jay Sekulow ?

For SCOTUS? I don't know, he is a little to lawyer like. :-}

23 posted on 10/07/2005 3:21:44 AM PDT by msnimje (If you suspect this post might need a sarcasm tag..... it does!)
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To: coconutt2000

Good observation. -I think if you take a principled conservative with her belief in strict constructionism, and combine her with Roberts as Chief Justice, Scalia and Thomas, you get a court that can persuade anyone but Ginsberg to vote as a strict constructionist.-

I like William Buckley's comment that you could take the first 100 names from the telephone book and get more combined wisdom than from 100 Harvard grads. Character is everything.


24 posted on 10/07/2005 3:31:42 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Huck
Personally, I don't want someone who votes anti gay, pro business, etc. I want someone who votes pro constitution no matter where the chips fall.

Well maybe then Reid and the other Dumas** errrrr Dems will not give her the pass and then we get to put up those we really wanted and we can have that good fight that I think we really, really want.

We and our children need to see and watch this process.

25 posted on 10/07/2005 3:36:38 AM PDT by ElephantinTexas (But IF the Islamofascists win their war, they have no PLAN. Kinda like the DemokRATS.)
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To: Caipirabob
I guess what most of the base is saying is ?
We want more evidence that she will be a reliable conservative vote on the court, and our misgivings are from the fact that she does not have a solid conservative resume.
All we are saying is ? Harriet ,, please ? please don't let us down like Souter or Kennedy did.
26 posted on 10/07/2005 3:40:12 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Caipirabob

The lady looks a mite feisty. Give 'em hell, Harriet.

27 posted on 10/07/2005 3:40:48 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Bahbah

Thanks for the ping, Bahbah!


28 posted on 10/07/2005 3:47:23 AM PDT by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Correction :

" We want more evidence that she will be a reliable Conservative ( strict Constitutionalist ) vote on the court "
29 posted on 10/07/2005 3:52:12 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Good morning, Prophet in the wilderness!

Perhaps we disagree on this item but I would like to point out this blog that has a different take on why W chose Harriet Miers.

:-) So that we appreciate each other I will add the disclaimer - I am pro W and am supporting this nomination, but I understand your concerns :-)

http://presidentaristotle.blogspot.com/2005/10/case-for-miers-when-things-look-blurry.html


30 posted on 10/07/2005 4:00:25 AM PDT by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Sorry-- I did not mean to infer that you weren't also pro W. I need caffeine.


31 posted on 10/07/2005 4:04:01 AM PDT by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: beyond the sea

"I saw pictures of her as a tennis star in college. She was not unattractive. Take off the black crap, Harriet! ......... and get rid of the crazy bangs."

...

Agree. Women should never put mascara under the eyes. The skins natural oil makes it eventually spread giving the appearance of a racoon. And only a few women with black hair look good wearing red lipstick otherwise it's too harsh looking. Harriet is fortunate, she has the kind of face that only requires a hint of make up as a compliment not as a distraction.


32 posted on 10/07/2005 4:07:11 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: SkyPilot

>>"Thanks Tony Snow. I don like you and respect you, but you worked for the Bush White House when this disaster happened." <<

Yes, but wasn't he a speech writer or something like that? I don't think he had any say in policy decisions.


33 posted on 10/07/2005 4:07:35 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: KeyWest

The President's judgment should be trusted here. Faced with a protracted and probably unsuccessful battle to put someone on the Court who is championed by the conservatives he has selected a person who he has worked with for many years and a person who has practical experience. She has also accomplished a considerable amount when you look at her career in Texas. Personally, it gives me hope that some "common-sensibility" will be in those chambers during discussions. She is as close to a "Heartland" pick as they come.


34 posted on 10/07/2005 4:10:29 AM PDT by babaloo
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To: pookie18
Yeah duke it out with the back up of the gutless Republican Senators who passed the Terrorist Protection amendment yesterday as part of a Defense Appropriations bill 90-9. Good bleedin' luck on your "fight" Conservatives since your Senate has all ready surrendered.
35 posted on 10/07/2005 4:12:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: Caipirabob

"Sen. George Allen told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that of the 100 phone calls his office got on the Meirs pick before noon last Monday, only three supported the president's pick. "

"You can't arrive at truth by counting noses" said one philosopher. He's right. 50,000 Frenchmen (or any men) CAN be wrong.

The fact that George W. Bush has ignored or bypassed the usual routes to stardom (Harvard, Yale) tells me his Christian rebirth is real.


36 posted on 10/07/2005 4:23:50 AM PDT by RoadTest (A little knowledge is insufficient.)
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To: Seņor Zorro

and a Bush bashbot reaction....


37 posted on 10/07/2005 4:26:19 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: pookie18

I don't know what more the conservative critics want. As I read her qualifications and philosophy I perceive that Harriet Miers is the very candidate the Democrats feared most. She thinks like Dubya!

But they'll accept her. Ried even recommended her!


41 posted on 10/07/2005 4:32:52 AM PDT by RoadTest
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To: Caipirabob

Make that A LOT more cowbell!


42 posted on 10/07/2005 4:34:06 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Trust but Verify

let's just go for a cowbell solo!!


43 posted on 10/07/2005 4:38:47 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: saveliberty
If anything, this will be a topic of discussion for years to come.

I didn't say I was for or against Harriet Meirs ( even though, I would have liked to see Micheal Luttig chosen , and was initially disappointed ),, I am just being unsure of this nomination.
What I am worried about, and most are worried about is ?
Will she change her spots in 10, 15, 20, years from now, and become a liberal activist judge on the bench, and make new laws from the bench, can we really take her's , and the President's word for it ?
I think most Americans are sick and tired of the Liberal activist tyrannical judges railroading the public, and voters.
I don't think any Supreme Court Judge should refer to, or base their ideology, or base their judgments and belief system on " Foreign Law " .
American laws that pertain to AMERICANS should be made by and from the US Constitution, the US state legislatures, and Congress, and the American public.
44 posted on 10/07/2005 4:58:35 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Tony Snow
Tony, I greatly appreciate the comment and the insight you gave. Correctly, you have observed that what is motivating the outrage of Conservatives is the horrible legacy of past SCOTUS nominees by Republican Administrations that turned out to be disastrous. A visual helps frame this:

Moreover, a usually adept Bush White House has taken a clumsy approach towards trying to beat down skepticism towards Miers. National Review Online says she isn't tough enough to stand up to the Liberals on the Court and the Washington Post Style section. The White House then releases interviews of friends who said getting a memo past her was "the gauntlet" and that she "spits nails." She is discovered to have contributed to Al Gore and Lloyd Bentson, so the White House tells us she is a born-again Christian.

Can you imagine if the White House had gone to such lengths with Justice Roberts? We would have been gifted with releases of his First Communion Mass book and pictures of his Confirmation at age 15. I too am a evangelical Christian, but this was "spin." Who is to say how mature her faith is?

Sir--I appreciate your service. You are correct in what you said about your defense of Justice Thomas. That was the last "broken coke bottle" nomination process we had. That man was bloodied by lesser men and women who stood in judgment against him. Let us not dance around the reason they did this to him either: abortion. Sadly, when Clinton had his turn to nominate a jurist, he was able to pick a radical ACLU lawyer, who never answered one question about her ugly past, and showed Sen Biden and the Committee colored drawings of her made by her grandchildren. She passed 97-3.

I think Carl Rove was too clever by half with this nominee. Stealth? You betcha. A hail Mary pass over everyone's head? Yup. Did he foresee how angry the base would be over this "most qualified in the nation" nominee?

Lastly, we must ask ourselves: "Why is this man smiling?"

Thanks again Mr. Snow for what you do.

45 posted on 10/07/2005 5:00:28 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: msnimje

Ed Gillespie was on Tony's show yesterday, and had an interesting comment. No one knows 'who' was on the list, and no one knows how many may have been asked and may have said 'no thanks'. Who wants to undergo the anal exam by the Senate dims and the press?


46 posted on 10/07/2005 5:08:02 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: Tony Snow

Certainly has been interesting watching the upper class of conservatives come unglued. Guess we could call this "hurricane Harriet" breaking open the levies of elitist conservatives, a collective blast of soaked powder.


47 posted on 10/07/2005 5:09:52 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Seņor Zorro

and many dims/libs underestimate him.


48 posted on 10/07/2005 5:12:41 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: SkyPilot

Hqave you listened to what he has had to say about it? He has covered it on his show.


49 posted on 10/07/2005 5:14:52 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

I do think that W is very concerned about not repeating a Souter and I think that he has been careful here, even if unconventional in his approach. If he weren't convinced she'd stay conservative, he wouldn't have selected her.

Also just as a reference, W has selected great judicial nominees up until this one. It's worth letting her win conservative folks over in the hearings.

I also think that a panel of philosopher kings, even if judicial conservatives, may spell disaster in that you wind up with personality wars. Roberts is brilliant, but he's not flashy like Scalia. Miers is no slouch either -- I think it's great to draw a candidate from a background in which the candidate is accountable to a boss -- whether to be accurate, on time or a good team player.

My two cents :-)


50 posted on 10/07/2005 5:15:47 AM PDT by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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