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Student recounts talk with worker (Norman Terrorist bombing; MUST READ)
Tulsa World ^ | 10/07/2005 | Mick Hinton

Posted on 10/07/2005 7:04:52 AM PDT by indcons

NORMAN -- An incident related by a ticket taker at Saturday's OU-Kansas State game raises questions about whether a student who died in a suicide explosion tried to gain entrance to Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

But University of Oklahoma officials continue to deny that Joel Henry Hinrichs III tried to enter the stadium before dying about 100 yards away.

OU student Adam Smith said Thursday that he was approached as he was leaving the stadium Saturday by a ticket taker from Gate 6 who wanted to know what had happened.

Smith said he told the gate worker that there had apparently been an explosion outside the stadium and someone had been blown up.

"He gave me a wide-eyed look, and said: 'Oh, that's really strange,' " Smith said. The ticket taker recounted that a young man who looked strange and was wearing a backpack that looked full tried to get into the stadium.

However, when he was asked to open his backpack, "the guy didn't say a word and sprinted away," Smith said he was told.

Vice President of Communications Catherine Bishop said OU officials have "been assured that there is no validity to the Gate 6 rumor." Bishop said the story has been checked out by the university's athletic department.

Meanwhile, the FBI continued to have no new comments on the case Thursday.

Hinrichs, a 21-year-old, third-year engineering student described by his father as a loner and a depressed and troubled son, died Saturday in what officials have called a suicide explosion that occurred during the second quarter of the OU-Kansas State football game. The explosion was sizeable enough to leave a large burned-out area surrounding a park bench in front of a campus building, prompting concern from the public about what would have happened if the blast had occurred inside the stadium amid a crowd of 84,000 fans.

Hinrichs' roommate was Fazil Cheema, a student from Pakistan. Law enforcement officials late Saturday came to the Parkview Apartments complex where the pair lived, located Cheema at a neighboring apartment, then interviewed him and about a half-dozen others, who are Muslims. However, spokesmen for the local Muslim community say Cheema himself is not a practicing Muslim.

An OU instructor in Arab languages whose native country is Egypt said Thursday that he was among the small group of Muslims handcuffed by Norman police and led to FBI agents, who questioned him for about two hours early Sunday morning.

Instructor Hossam Barakat said Norman police were "really aggressive," but FBI agents were polite and apologized for having to interview Barakat and the others gathered at one of the units of Parkview Apartments.

Hinrichs and Cheema lived in a nearby unit, and Cheema was at the neighboring apartment when police arrived. Cheema has moved from the Parkview Apartments to another apartment in Norman, acquaintances say, but Cheema cannot be reached.

Barakat and others are concerned that the OU explosion could be unfairly connected to the Muslim community. Barakat said he does not know Cheema very well. Members of the Islamic Society of Norman say that Cheema is not a Muslim and does not attend the mosque.

"Cheema was an atheist who was angry with God because he had lost much of his hearing," said Tariq Alzoubi, who noted many international students especially from the Mideast region are reluctant to talk about the case.

The Muslims who practice at the Islamic Society of Norman emphasize that they have never seen Hinrichs at the mosque.

In a letter being sent to students and parents, OU President David Boren said he has been "assured that law enforcement officials including federal officers have found no evidence of a conspiracy involving others which creates an ongoing threat to our community."

"We believe that we should not judge others or jump to conclusions about others on the basis of color, race, gender, economic status or freely exercised religious beliefs," Boren said in the letter made public Thursday.

Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465 mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: hinrichs; joeljihad; normanbombing; ou; oubombing; suicidebomber
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Thanks to FReeper JustaCowgirl for the heads up and for typing up the entire article from the print edition. If you have a Tulsa World subscription, go the link above.

As JustaCowgirl says, "Tulsa World's latest leftist soft-serve apologia regarding the OU bombing. Calls it a 'suicide' throughout as though that were a known fact." Well said....I have nothing to add to this statement.

In a related editorial, the leftists at Tulsa World are calling for "better mental health services to help depressed people like Hinrichs." FReepers are working to find this article too. Please post it if you can find it; I have little luck so far.

Oh....BTW, check out OU's continuing cover-up operation. Also, Tulsa World is quoting the Muslim Student Association as if he is an unimpeachable source. They are desperately trying to quash this story.

1 posted on 10/07/2005 7:04:54 AM PDT by indcons
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To: JustaCowgirl

Ping...thanks again.


2 posted on 10/07/2005 7:05:34 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons

"the story has been checked out by the university's athletic department."


I always go to the athletic department for a comprehensive investigation. (sarc)


3 posted on 10/07/2005 7:08:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: hoosiermama; hispanarepublicana; PhiKapMom; indcons; mplsconservative; investigateworld; ...

Ping to an interesting article.


4 posted on 10/07/2005 7:08:41 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons
"spokesmen for the local Muslim community say Cheema himself is not a practicing Muslim."

So this proves he's not militant? Humbug.

5 posted on 10/07/2005 7:09:26 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handle")
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To: indcons
Updated FR list-o-links with brief descriptions (Update 5 on 10/07/2005). This list will be updated as new threads are posted.

Cliff notes version, Oct. 06

Main thread with tons of useful info and breaking news from day one, Oct. 01
Joel jihad identification thread, Oct. 02
Bomb material found thread, Oct. 02
Explosive stash found thread, Oct. 03
Joel Jihad tries to buy Ammonium Nitrate thread, Oct. 04
OK City Channel 9 story thread, Oct. 04
Malkin blog posts thread, Oct. 04
Sources ID TATP thread, Oct. 04
Roomie identified thread, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 1, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 2, Oct. 05
Boren bio, Oct. 05
DougFromUpland interview with Jayna Davis thread, Oct. 05
Suicide Bomber Attempted Stadium Entry/5 Others Involved, Ticket to Algeria Found, Oct. 05. Must-read thread
Officer had clue before OU blast; Oct. 06
Jayna Davis’ radio schedule…check it out; Oct. 06
Some consolidated info from other FR threads; Oct. 06
Link roundup; Oct. 06
Boren’s PC email; read for laughs; Oct. 06
OU shouldn't take too long answering questions; Oct. 06
Despite explosion, no security changes for OU-Texas; Oct. 06
Terror in the heartland? Wash. Times editorial; Oct. 07
Student recounts talk with worker; Must Read article; Oct. 07
6 posted on 10/07/2005 7:09:28 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons

Was it ever established whether or not he had a ticket?


7 posted on 10/07/2005 7:10:07 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: cripplecreek

LOL...thanks for the heads-up on Tucker Carlson also, CC.


8 posted on 10/07/2005 7:10:20 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons
Email from David Boren to OU Students (bombing)
9 posted on 10/07/2005 7:10:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: freeperfromnj

Not sure.......we are trying to find this out. He must have had a ticket because he fled only after they tried to check his backpack/bag. BTW, his family confirmed that he was NOT a football fan.


10 posted on 10/07/2005 7:12:11 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons
Barakat and others are concerned that the OU explosion could be unfairly connected to the Muslim community.

Yeah, because its usually Quakers who strap on bombs and blow themselves up.
11 posted on 10/07/2005 7:12:23 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: indcons

BFLR....


12 posted on 10/07/2005 7:12:30 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: indcons

And where the hell is the MSM on this story??????


13 posted on 10/07/2005 7:13:04 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: indcons

Thanks for the ping!

I gotta speculate - and I welcome some thoughts back.

Is it likely that the reason the national media hasnt picked up on this story is the fact that the FBI & other authorities have asked this story to be quashed for now until all leads are fully investigated?

I cant for the life of me understand any other reason why this story hasnt been front page material.


14 posted on 10/07/2005 7:13:37 AM PDT by texianyankee
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To: indcons; 2witty; A Jovial Cad; AmerRepb; amigatec; Amityschild; Angry_White_Man_Syndrome; ...
Oklahoma Ping!

If you want on
or off this list
Freepmail me.

15 posted on 10/07/2005 7:15:29 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: indcons

Como se dicé, "horsesh*t"?


16 posted on 10/07/2005 7:16:13 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: indcons
"Cheema was an atheist who was angry with God because he had lost much of his hearing,"

Is he angry with God, or does he believe there is no God?

17 posted on 10/07/2005 7:17:25 AM PDT by TravisBickle
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To: indcons

"thanks for the heads-up on Tucker Carlson also, CC"


It was just a passing mention in the middle of a discussion of terrorism and the NY alert. Somebody's thinking about it.


18 posted on 10/07/2005 7:17:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: indcons

How could Cheema have missed seeing his room mate making TATP etc ?


19 posted on 10/07/2005 7:17:49 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: TravisBickle

Excellent point! How can one be angry with God if one is an atheist?


20 posted on 10/07/2005 7:19:51 AM PDT by texianyankee
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To: indcons
"Cheema was an atheist who was angry with God because he had lost much of his hearing,"

Ears still ringing from his last missionary endeavor?

21 posted on 10/07/2005 7:21:44 AM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: indcons

Thanks for the information.

According to that TV news interview, if I recall it correctly, Hinrich tried to enter the stadium three times, twice at one gate and once at another, but was turned away after he refused to be searched.

I believe the name of the ticket taker and the assertion that Hinrich turned and "sprinted away" is new. At least I don't recall those details.

Note that Boren is now issuing a typically clintonoid statement: "OU President David Boren said he has been 'assured that law enforcement officials including federal officers have found no evidence of a conspiracy involving others which creates an ongoing threat to our community.' "

If you parse that, you see that he doesn't say there was no conspiracy but that LEOs have said they have found no evidence of a conspiracy. In other words, it depends what the meaning of the word is is.


22 posted on 10/07/2005 7:22:11 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rummyfan

The MSM is hitting the snooze alarm until the "timing is right". At least that's what Fox is doing according to a fellow freeper.


23 posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:04 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Rummyfan
And where the hell is the MSM on this story??????

Covering this story would support Bush's contention that we are at war.

24 posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:08 AM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: cripplecreek

The two are connected and this is no coincidence.


25 posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:47 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Thrusher

Nah...it's those Gaza Synod Lutherans.


26 posted on 10/07/2005 7:25:04 AM PDT by duffthor (GO BIG RED!)
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To: null and void

The MSM in conjunction with the U.S. Govt is covering this thing up.


27 posted on 10/07/2005 7:25:10 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Cicero

Oops. I just parsed it further. Boren doesn't even say that they say that there is no evidence of a conspiracy. He says that they say that there is no evidence of a conspiracy which threatens OU in the future.

In other words, maybe there IS evidence of a conspiracy that threatened OU a few days ago, and that conspiracy possibly might represent a future threat too, but we don't know that for sure, because at the moment they are all denying everything and lying low.


28 posted on 10/07/2005 7:25:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sarasota

Difficult for most people (except the MSM) to avoid that conclusion. There is also an alert in Philly right now.


29 posted on 10/07/2005 7:26:01 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons
The Muslims who practice at the Islamic Society of Norman emphasize that they have never seen Hinrichs at the mosque.

And muslims never lie to us infidels!

30 posted on 10/07/2005 7:27:55 AM PDT by airborne (My hero - my nephew! Sean is home! Thank you God!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Como se dicé, "horsesh*t"?

"Religion of Peace"
31 posted on 10/07/2005 7:30:35 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: texianyankee
My tinfoil hatband may be too tight, but here's my speculation. For whatever reason, the FBI is covering up this story, NOT investigating all leads. Why? You tell me!

The FBI has a track record of doing this very thing (OKC Bombing, TWA Flight 800), and unless some facts start coming out pretty soon, I'm going to believe this is what is going on.

32 posted on 10/07/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by Don Carlos (Christian, VRWC Member, Gun Nut, Right-wing Wacko. I feel sooo blessed!)
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To: indcons

Is this the Amtrak scare?


33 posted on 10/07/2005 7:30:55 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: indcons

Clearly Boren is going to state there is no evidence of any type conspiracy, to say otherwise wouldn't be conducive to a learning environment.

It's obvious Hinrichs depression was a motivating factor as he ultimately didn't detonate in a crowded area. What I find unusual is the method he chose for suicide and who his closest friends appeared to be. It's difficult to believe this is purely coincidental.


34 posted on 10/07/2005 7:32:02 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: 2Jedismom

please add em to you're list, I live in OK


35 posted on 10/07/2005 7:32:09 AM PDT by groovejedi
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To: EggsAckley

"practicing Muslim" means the one actually carrying the bomb.


36 posted on 10/07/2005 7:32:27 AM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: groovejedi

You bet...can't have too many jedis!

;-)


37 posted on 10/07/2005 7:35:12 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: proudofthesouth
Not quite. They'd be all over this like a duck on a bug if they thought it would hurt the administration.

The government wants to keep it quiet so as to not spook the game.

The MSM wants to keep it quiet to avoid supporting Bush.

Opposite reasons, identical results.

IMHO, YMMV

38 posted on 10/07/2005 7:35:59 AM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: indcons

"BTW, his family confirmed that he was NOT a football fan."

Going to OU and not a football fan... I would have called the feds right away.

BTW, blowing himself up does not substitute for yelling, "BOOMER!"


39 posted on 10/07/2005 7:36:43 AM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: TravisBickle

You got it!
An atheist that is angry with God?
As likely as a Judeo-Christian blaming their deafness on Buddha. Who are we to doubt this.


40 posted on 10/07/2005 7:36:50 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: indcons

What heads up on Tucker Carlson? I can't keep up! (I did hear a short comment by someone on his show last night regarding this bombing).
susie


41 posted on 10/07/2005 7:37:03 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: bereanway

No....depression was not a facor in his choice of location. There are two definite possibilities:
He as turned away from the stadium at least twice and he ran away after security tried to chek his backpack.
The bomb was remote controlled. This was an accident. In other words, he detonated it by mistake.somebody did it for him.


42 posted on 10/07/2005 7:37:47 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: cripplecreek

Ah yes, that's what I heard last night. Only thing I've seen on the media since Sat. night, altho I don't watch everything, so I could have missed things.
susie


43 posted on 10/07/2005 7:38:32 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: kenth

LOL

That's exactly what I thought. If you haven't killed a few infidels or blown something you can hardly be considered "practicing".


44 posted on 10/07/2005 7:38:52 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: sarasota

SEPTA (South East Pennsylvania Transit Authority) scare. Breaking news on a FR thread.


45 posted on 10/07/2005 7:38:55 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons

You're right, it could have been a mistake. I was just thinking if it was an intentional detonation he would have attempted to find a group of people outside the stadium.

I was assuming he walked over to this bench, sat down and intentionally blew himself up.


46 posted on 10/07/2005 7:41:44 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: indcons
Cheema has moved from the Parkview Apartments to another apartment in Norman, acquaintances say, but Cheema cannot be reached.

For a student this guy demonstrates an ability to be mobile on very short notice.

47 posted on 10/07/2005 7:43:33 AM PDT by semaj (qu)
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To: bereanway

I'm guessing he sat down just a little too hard, and slammed his backpack on the back of the bench.


48 posted on 10/07/2005 7:43:52 AM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: cripplecreek

"the story has been checked out by the university's athletic department."

And all those bags full of white powder that his pakistani roomate who works at the stadium brought into the storage room below the bleachers was field-marking chalk. (STRICTLY an unfounded idea on my part - but conceivable).


49 posted on 10/07/2005 7:44:30 AM PDT by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: sarasota
The two are connected and this is no coincidence.

That is my thinking as well

50 posted on 10/07/2005 7:45:16 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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