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Gay men can be Catholic priests if celibate-paper
Reuters ^ | October 7, 2005 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/07/2005 9:08:56 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

The Vatican will allow gay men into the priesthood if they can show they have been celibate for at least three years, leading Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported on Friday.

But it said the Vatican will ban men who "publicly manifest their homosexuality" or show an "overwhelming attraction" to homosexual culture "even if it is only intellectually."

The Vatican views on gay priests are contained in a secret 16-page document which is expected to be released next month.

The document, an "instruction" by the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education, covers one of the most sensitive issues in the Roman Catholic Church.

Officials at the Congregation for Catholic Education and the Vatican press office could not be reached for immediate comment.

The Corriere report said: "Candidates who show a homosexual tendency will not be allowed into the priesthood unless they can demonstrate that they have been able to remain chaste for at least three years."

Media reports last month, primarily in the United States, said the document would bar all gay men from being ordained priests, even those who are celibate.

Those reports caused concerns in many quarters in the Church that many good men would be excluded by a total ban.

The Church teaches that homosexuality is not a sin but that homosexual acts are, and it expects all priests, whether homosexual or heterosexual, to remain celibate.

Corriere and the weekly Panorama magazine both reported on Friday that Pope Benedict had approved the document this summer.

Panorama said its release would be accompanied by a written explanation by "an internationally known psychologist."

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1 posted on 10/07/2005 9:08:59 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
But it said the Vatican will ban men who "publicly manifest their homosexuality" or show an "overwhelming attraction" to homosexual culture "even if it is only intellectually."

And this is all that stands between these men and the alter boy? The church must still have a few homosexuals in the decision making levels of the church.

2 posted on 10/07/2005 9:13:38 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I really don't get this, how can you be celibate and gay? For that matter, how can you be celibate and heterosexual? What if you were only turned on by bestiality but had never actually given into your urges? Would that be OK? What if you really always wanted to kill someone but had resisted or your biggest urge was to set fire to some great public building but you managed to keep your arsonist tendencies to fantasy only? Would you still be allowed to be a priest then?


3 posted on 10/07/2005 9:13:45 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: West Coast Conservative
The problem with homosexuals is that they are driven by their sexual urges and the need for sexual gratification. Abstinence is not in their vocabulary. That makes them poor candidates for the priesthood or any position where there is contact with children.
4 posted on 10/07/2005 9:15:12 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: sinkspur

ping


5 posted on 10/07/2005 9:15:57 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: West Coast Conservative

Why would a man who is honestly trying to overcome this sin WANT to go into the priesthood where he would be faced with out-of-the-ordinary temptations on a daily basis?


6 posted on 10/07/2005 9:16:32 AM PDT by twigs
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To: West Coast Conservative

So can married men be Priests if they are celibate?


7 posted on 10/07/2005 9:17:05 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Candidates who show a homosexual tendency will not be allowed into the priesthood unless they can demonstrate that they have been able to remain chaste for at least three years."

Exactly how does one 'demonstrate' such chastity? Kind of takes all the fun out of being a gay priest.


8 posted on 10/07/2005 9:17:34 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("There is no Hell. There is only France." F. Zappa)
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To: TrebleRebel

if you don't think someone can be celibate and heterosexual, then how do you explain all the priests who keep celibate?

It's not difficult to do.

If the church was smart, they'd go back to what they originally allowed, and that's allowing preists to marry and have a family. What better way to promote their religion by allowing priests to show how family orientated they are.


9 posted on 10/07/2005 9:22:05 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This whole discussion is ridiculous.

The word "celibate" does not mean "not having sex", it means "not being married."

Check any dictionary, Reuters.

All this talk of "celibate homosexuals" makes no verbal or logical sense.

10 posted on 10/07/2005 9:23:46 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: TrebleRebel
I really don't get this, how can you be celibate and gay? For that matter, how can you be celibate and heterosexual?

Every human being has a sexual orientation. Men called to the priesthood are not eunuchs; in fact, a eunuch cannot be validly ordained. Have you ever met an asexual human being? I haven't.

What if you were only turned on by bestiality but had never actually given into your urges? Would that be OK? What if you really always wanted to kill someone but had resisted or your biggest urge was to set fire to some great public building but you managed to keep your arsonist tendencies to fantasy only? Would you still be allowed to be a priest then?

Yes. The priesthood is made up of men, so it is, by definition, made up of sinners.

11 posted on 10/07/2005 9:29:28 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: AlaskaErik
The problem with homosexuals is that they are driven by their sexual urges and the need for sexual gratification. Abstinence is not in their vocabulary

The same can be said about heterosexuals. Also, I don't understand why Catholic priests have to be celibate anyway? Why can't they marry? In almost every other Christian denomination they can marry. Jewish Rabbis (of which Jesus was one) can marry.

12 posted on 10/07/2005 9:29:42 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: wideawake
"The word "celibate" does not mean "not having sex", it means "not being married.""

That's only one meaning; check Merriam-Webster.

celibacy n. 2 a : abstention from sexual intercourse
13 posted on 10/07/2005 9:29:42 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: AlaskaErik
The problem with homosexuals is that they are driven by their sexual urges and the need for sexual gratification. Abstinence is not in their vocabulary.

The same can be said of heterosexuals.

14 posted on 10/07/2005 9:30:32 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
If the church was smart, they'd go back to what they originally allowed, and that's allowing preists to marry and have a family

I agree

15 posted on 10/07/2005 9:31:23 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
if you don't think someone can be celibate and heterosexual, then how do you explain all the priests who keep celibate?

It's not difficult to do.

If celibacy was not difficult, there would be many more priests.

16 posted on 10/07/2005 9:31:57 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: wideawake

I agree. Its Eddie Haskell logic.

SHE-'No..I'm not gonna do it! You'll tell everyone.

EDDIE-I promise I won't.

SHE-'Ok'


17 posted on 10/07/2005 9:32:14 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("There is no Hell. There is only France." F. Zappa)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Gives new meaning to the term "glory hole".


18 posted on 10/07/2005 9:32:48 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: West Coast Conservative
Sounds of joy are now emanating from every Jesuit seminary and house. "Its Raining Men" being the new anthem of the Jebbies it seems.

(My apologies to Father Joe and the rest of the decent Jesuits who have to put up with all this crap from their fellow SJers).

19 posted on 10/07/2005 9:33:25 AM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: NJ_gent
That's only one meaning; check Merriam-Webster.

There is only one historical meaning of the Latin word caelibatus - not having married.

This is the only way the word is used in Catholic theological discourse.

And it is also the only definition of the word in the OED.

20 posted on 10/07/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I think the only disqualification from the Catholic priesthood is interpreting the Bible literally (to judge from numerous other Catholic threads at present).


21 posted on 10/07/2005 9:34:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo-ya`avdukh yo'vedu!)
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To: sinkspur
The same can be said of heterosexuals.

Incorrect.

Every study has shown that homosexuals are far more promiscuous than normal people.

22 posted on 10/07/2005 9:35:34 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

A comment that is really, really beneath you.


23 posted on 10/07/2005 9:36:08 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Two Words:

Cardinal Law


24 posted on 10/07/2005 9:37:02 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm Roman Catholic and I have no problem with this.


25 posted on 10/07/2005 9:37:30 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (GO CARDINALS !!)
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To: Clemenza
Sounds of joy are now emanating from every Jesuit seminary and house. "Its Raining Men" being the new anthem of the Jebbies it seems.

(My apologies to Father Joe and the rest of the decent Jesuits who have to put up with all this crap from their fellow SJers).

You're an atheist and you're against homosexuality? But you have no grounds for such a position.

Of course, you have no grounds to be opposed to mass murder either, for that matter.

Forgive me if I've mistaken you for someone else.

26 posted on 10/07/2005 9:38:20 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo-ya`avdukh yo'vedu!)
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To: TrebleRebel

huh


27 posted on 10/07/2005 9:40:19 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (GO CARDINALS !!)
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To: wideawake
Every study has shown that homosexuals are far more promiscuous than normal people.

The post I was responding to said nothing about promiscuity. It said that homosexuals are driven by their sexual urges. So are the vast majority of heterosexuals, more or less. And that "abstinence is not in their vocabulary." Again, the same can be said of most heterosexuals.

The main difference is that homosexuals talk about their sexuality much more than heterosexuals do.

28 posted on 10/07/2005 9:42:04 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm an agnostic who was raised Catholic and lived in a rectory for a time. I just was always symphathetic to those who truly represented their faith, as opposed to the corrupt "lavendar mafia" who say one thing, yet practice another.

This is less a question about homosexuality (for me at least) than about integrity within an institution that many in my family belong to and that I may rejoin someday.

29 posted on 10/07/2005 9:42:37 AM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: conserv13
The problem with homosexuals is that they are driven by their sexual urges and the need for sexual gratification. Abstinence is not in their vocabulary

The same can be said about heterosexuals. Also, I don't understand why Catholic priests have to be celibate anyway? Why can't they marry? In almost every other Christian denomination they can marry. Jewish Rabbis (of which Jesus was one) can marry.

I have no idea why Catholics are so enamored with celibacy. It's one of the many strange things they do that has no scriptural basis.

30 posted on 10/07/2005 9:43:02 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: NJ_gent

From the Catholic Encyclopedia under "Celibacy of the Clergy.": Celibacy is the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades...


31 posted on 10/07/2005 9:43:22 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Vatican will allow gay men into the priesthood if they can show they have been celibate for at least three years

What if it has only been 2 years and 364 days since the candidate had oral or anal sex with another man? Will they let him slide...

Sorry to be so graphic, but this is absurd.

A_R

32 posted on 10/07/2005 9:44:31 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Vatican is being practical. Short of making subjective judgments about applicants to the priesthood, all the Church can do is hope that a man who has maintained chastity for three years prior to entering a seminary is called to celibacy.

This is the very same requirement the Church makes of heterosexuals who present themselves for admission.

It is simply an impossibility to screen all homosexuals out of the priesthood. And, in many cases, totally unnecessary.

33 posted on 10/07/2005 9:45:56 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: wideawake
A comment that is really, really beneath you.

My apologies to you, but you and I both know you are a decided minority in your Church, and stand condemned by its establishment (regardless of what Pope Leo XIII might have said over a hundred years ago).

You are probably unaware of this, but I have been duelling quite ferociously with your co-religionists another thread where they are bashing not only creationists but people who think that Jonah was a real person. I have not pinged you to that thread because I didn't want you to see and be hurt by the things I have said in response.

I have a great anger at the Roman Catholic Church because it condemns my people's cultural beliefs (creationism, Biblical literalism) while making room for totem poles and everything else it can find room for. I was a member for six years and made to feel like an evil rebel against G-d simply because I took G-d's word as literally true while "members of the family" (Italians, Irish, Hispanics, Poles, etc.) can get away with bloody murder. I am sick of my people for being ridiculed simply for accepting the literal truth of the Bible by a Church that prays to angels (which its clergy probably don't even believe in) and has neo-pagan devotions in which snakes are wrapped around statues.

I am sick and tired of hearing about Juan Diego's acceptance by your "blessed mother" when she wouldn't accept my own mother. I couldn't even get any Catholic clergyman to even speak to my mother about converting because she was too "simple." So the story of Juan Diego and how G-d loves Aztecs but not rednecks is a very big sticking point with me.

The fact that you and I are friends doesn't mean you have to mute your anger at Benny Hinn. My friendship with you is not going to cause me to be soft on the Church that allows all this crap. And you can tell me "that isn't the Church," but then where is it???

Eventually you have to admit that the Catholic Church can only be judged by its official leaders and spokesmen and not by what it should be but isn't.

I am sorry I have pained you. But I'm in full throttle mode right now and not likely to calm down for some time.

34 posted on 10/07/2005 9:48:11 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo-ya`avdukh yo'vedu!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I sense the edge of a slippery slope.

Uh-oh.


35 posted on 10/07/2005 9:48:30 AM PDT by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Clemenza
I'm an agnostic who was raised Catholic and lived in a rectory for a time. I just was always symphathetic to those who truly represented their faith, as opposed to the corrupt "lavendar mafia" who say one thing, yet practice another.

This is less a question about homosexuality (for me at least) than about integrity within an institution that many in my family belong to and that I may rejoin someday.

I can understand that position.

What I cannot understand is why so many people who want to selectively accept some supernatural phenomena and reject others are more culturally respectable to atheists than people like me who realize it is illogical to believe a dead man popped out of the ground while simultaneously believing that a six day creation is simply too silly to be taken literally.

36 posted on 10/07/2005 9:52:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo-ya`avdukh yo'vedu!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

How do you prove you have been celibate for 3 years?


37 posted on 10/07/2005 9:55:56 AM PDT by sharktrager (http://hookedonphoniks.blogspot.com)
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To: wideawake
See celibate in the dictionary. In the 20th century, the word morphed into a new meaning. It no longer means unmarried.
38 posted on 10/07/2005 9:56:22 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I am sick and tired of hearing about Juan Diego's acceptance by your "blessed mother" when she wouldn't accept my own mother. I couldn't even get any Catholic clergyman to even speak to my mother about converting because she was too "simple." So the story of Juan Diego and how G-d loves Aztecs but not rednecks is a very big sticking point with me.

Why didn't you speak to your own mother about converting? Or did you not feel up to the task?

It's simple to do, really. Just take your mother to church, to experience the Eucharist.

Speaking of the Eucharist, I notice you didn't, in your post. Did the sacraments mean anything to you while you were Catholic? I notice you place a great stock in the literal interpretation of Scripture, but you say nothing about the very literal signs of God's presence in our lives, the seven sacraments.

You say nothing about Jesus' real presence in the Eucharist, yet, for some reason, you are in a huff that Jonah may not be accepted as a real person.

Eventually you have to admit that the Catholic Church can only be judged by its official leaders and spokesmen and not by what it should be but isn't.

Sorry, but the Church is also "judged" by those who make it up, that is Catholics in the pews. If you can't bring the Faith to your own mother, who are you going to bring it to?

39 posted on 10/07/2005 9:57:41 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

oh no. rats.


40 posted on 10/07/2005 9:58:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

oh no.


41 posted on 10/07/2005 9:58:57 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: AlaskaErik
I have no idea why Catholics are so enamored with celibacy. It's one of the many strange things they do that has no scriptural basis.

I guess your "scriptures" exclude 1 Corinthians chapter 7 ?

42 posted on 10/07/2005 10:00:47 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: TrebleRebel
Would you still be allowed to be a priest then?

Are we talking about priests here or saints?

43 posted on 10/07/2005 10:02:15 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: sinkspur

Let me try a different analogy to make my point. Isn't a celibate saying he's a homosexual a bit like a tee-totaller saying he's an alcoholic? Let's say he's never had a drink before in his life - he just somehow knows he's an alcoholic.


44 posted on 10/07/2005 10:02:20 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I couldn't even get any Catholic clergyman to even speak to my mother about converting because she was too "simple."

Meet the post-VatII Church. You came into the Church at a bad time. Once upon a time, your (Catholic) pastor would have been tripping all over himself to get your mother into the Church. And then suddenly we got to the post-VatII "it's all groovy" Catholic Church.

Converts practically have to fight to get into the Church. I have met many people who have had this experience.

45 posted on 10/07/2005 10:03:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: Zionist Conspirator
you and I both know you are a decided minority in your Church, and stand condemned by its establishment

So, IOW, you're saying that wideawake has a lot in common with most of the greatest Catholic saints of history?

High praise, that!

46 posted on 10/07/2005 10:04:00 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Vatican views on gay priests are contained in a secret 16-page document which is expected to be released next month.

Some secret. This story reeks of lavendar manufacture and it cites no authorities within the Vatican at all.

I'll believe it when I see it.
47 posted on 10/07/2005 10:05:19 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: silverleaf

Don't worry. When they start citing actual sources, you can start getting worked up.


48 posted on 10/07/2005 10:07:03 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: TrebleRebel
Isn't a celibate saying he's a homosexual a bit like a tee-totaller saying he's an alcoholic? Let's say he's never had a drink before in his life - he just somehow knows he's an alcoholic.

Uh, no. A homosexual is attracted to males, but it is possible for a homosexual to have never acted on that attraction.

Heterosexuals are attracted to women, but it is possible for a heterosexual to have never acted on that attraction.

If a man never takes a drink, how will he know if he would be so attracted to drink that he would become addicted to it?

49 posted on 10/07/2005 10:08:15 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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To: livius
Converts practically have to fight to get into the Church.

That has not been my experience, AT ALL.

If what you say is true, how come the number of Catholics is growing, dramatically, every year? Over 200,000 people came into the Catholic Church in the United States last year. That's pretty impressive.

50 posted on 10/07/2005 10:10:41 AM PDT by sinkspur (Is Michael Graham still looking for a job?)
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