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Pakistan - Quake death toll in Pakistani Kashmir estimated at 30,000
Agence France-Presse | October 9, 2005

Posted on 10/09/2005 12:30:01 AM PDT by HAL9000

ISLAMABAD--An estimated 30,000 people were killed in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir by a massive earthquake, the region's Minister for Works and Communication Tariq Farooq told Agence France-Presse Sunday.

"Our rough estimates say more than 30,000 people have died in the earthquake in Kashmir," he said. Pakistan's military said earlier that at least 18,000 died in the 7.6 magnitude quake that hit Saturday.

"There are cities, there are towns which have been completely destroyed. Muzaffarabad is devastated," he added, referring to the capital of Pakistan's sector of disputed Kashmir.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathtoll; earthquake; farooq; india; kashmir; pakistan; pakistanquake

1 posted on 10/09/2005 12:30:03 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

10k dead in New Orleans as well according to the press.

Sorry, but I'm letting the 'world' take this one w/out my $$$. I offer prayers this time.


2 posted on 10/09/2005 12:31:15 AM PDT by Carling (http://www.marriedadults.com/howarddeanscreamaudio141jq.mp3)
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To: HAL9000
It would not surprise me... the quake in Iran a couple of years back had a toll of around 80,000 I believe...

they don't have the same building safety requirements that we do here... I guess bureaucracy and regulations can be good for somethings.
3 posted on 10/09/2005 12:35:49 AM PDT by Americanwolf (I Served proudly.... how dare you tell me I have no convictions...)
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To: HAL9000
It will be interesting to see if Pakistan rushes any aid to Kashmir, or will that area be more or less forgotten in the rush to take care of their own people.

Reports on CNN (I know, I know) featured a Pakistani Presidential spokesman requesting heavy transport helicopters from any source. He was specifically asked about American helicopters from Afghanistan, but did not know if any have arrived from there yet.

I wonder if Osama and buddies will consider this Allah's Punishment to Islam since they were quick to claim Katrina was America's punishment.

And will this flush out Bin Ladin? Or perhaps he is one of the casualties? One could only help.
4 posted on 10/09/2005 12:40:28 AM PDT by konaice
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To: HAL9000

Anyone know if Nagin was consulted for this story?


5 posted on 10/09/2005 12:43:03 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Carling

You don't want your taxes raised so we can dump raw cash over the rubble from a B-52?

Hate monger.


6 posted on 10/09/2005 12:44:50 AM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: HAL9000

Have you got a link? I'd like to post this elsewhere. Thanks.


7 posted on 10/09/2005 12:47:29 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1st John 5:4-5, 1st John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1st Timothy 2:5)
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To: F15Eagle

This should work - http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2005/October/subcontinent_October316.xml&section=subcontinent&col=


8 posted on 10/09/2005 12:51:49 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

Thanks. Prayers in the Name of Christ for those killed and their families and friends. This is horrific.


9 posted on 10/09/2005 12:56:15 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1st John 5:4-5, 1st John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1st Timothy 2:5)
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To: F15Eagle

I hope we do send helicoptors. We can genuinley send in our best search and rescure guys to do good, find and help injured etc., but if we send thousands of people to assist it may be in our interests to slip in a couple of hundred CIA types amongst them to have a less restricted look round that afghan/pakistan border than would normally be the case. A win/win mission.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 1:00:49 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: Carling

thousands of poor,
were swept into the swamp by raging floodwaters,
and eaten by alligators


11 posted on 10/09/2005 1:03:00 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: SteveMcKing; Carling

Will the Clinton/Bush I tag team be out there asking for $$ again?


12 posted on 10/09/2005 1:03:44 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Mike Pence for President!!! http://acuf.org/issues/issue34/050415pol.asp)
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To: greasepaint
thousands of poor,
were swept into the swamp by raging floodwaters,
and eaten by alligators

LOL!!! You know the media just wish this had happened. Geraldo's head would still be spinning.

13 posted on 10/09/2005 1:19:22 AM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: Eagles Talon IV

LOL


14 posted on 10/09/2005 1:19:43 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: greasepaint

haiku?


15 posted on 10/09/2005 1:20:41 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (Where are those FEMA prison camps when you need them?)
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To: HAL9000

What assistance are the Arab countries sending to Pakistan?


16 posted on 10/09/2005 1:41:25 AM PDT by indcons (Let the Arabs take care of their jihadi brothers this time around.)
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To: HAL9000
Link: Earthquake death toll in Pakistani Kashmir estimated at 30,000
17 posted on 10/09/2005 1:53:28 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: HAL9000
Link: Earthquake death toll in Pakistani Kashmir estimated at 30,000
18 posted on 10/09/2005 1:53:37 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Eagles Talon IV

This earthquake occurred over a large area, which included significant populated areas, so the number of casualties could well be that much and more.

The New Orleans mayor was clearly exaggerating things just to make President Bush look bad. There there was a lot of warning, and even afterwards people could be rescued. In an earthquake there is no warning, people can't escape and run away.


19 posted on 10/09/2005 1:56:23 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Eagles Talon IV

This earthquake occurred over a large area, which included significant populated areas, so the number of casualties could well be that much and more.

The New Orleans mayor was clearly exaggerating things just to make President Bush look bad. There there was a lot of warning, and even afterwards people could be rescued. In an earthquake there is no warning, people can't escape and run away.


20 posted on 10/09/2005 1:56:28 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: HAL9000

With any luck, UBL's hidey-hole has turned to solid earth with him in it...


21 posted on 10/09/2005 1:58:41 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: Carling
I would like to know the "racist" value of this disaster. My prayers for the innocent.
22 posted on 10/09/2005 2:01:52 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: indcons

Will any of our race baiters get up and blame Pervez Musharraf for this?


23 posted on 10/09/2005 2:03:33 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: Dallas59

No way....Musharaf is a "person of color." LOL


24 posted on 10/09/2005 2:06:02 AM PDT by indcons (Let the Arabs take care of their jihadi brothers this time around.)
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To: indcons

I wonder how long before the Islamic Radicals blame America and our "Earth Quake Machine" again....Or the expolsions of American *slash* Zionist Nukes under Pakistan? I bet 400 quatlus...less than a week.


25 posted on 10/09/2005 2:14:25 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: Dallas59
Will any of our race baiters get up and blame Pervez Musharraf for this?

Of course not. Don't you know anything? Its Bush's Fault.

26 posted on 10/09/2005 2:24:41 AM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

*hangs head*...I forgot.


27 posted on 10/09/2005 2:37:01 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: HAL9000

they keep upping the estimate, there won't be any Pakistan left to mes with


28 posted on 10/09/2005 3:21:31 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: HAL9000

it seems I remember readng long ago about Iran using an airplane crash to claim lives lost, that weren't, they were soldiers going out on covert ops


29 posted on 10/09/2005 3:24:07 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Americanwolf

I believe the number in the Bam earthquake was over 40,000 killed.
This earthquake will easily result in 10's of thousands killed.


30 posted on 10/09/2005 3:26:45 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Dallas59

Sort of reminds me of some raghead imam in Egypt who claimed that Hurricane Katrina was the result of Allah's will to destroy the great Satan, the United States. Well, well. I guess the tsunami that wacked mostly Islamic countries earlier and this little earthquake in Pakistan were the work of the Great Satan and his little devil, Israel. Whaddyatink? It continually amazes me that these religious leaders have no rational, intelligence at all.


31 posted on 10/09/2005 3:49:10 AM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: HAL9000
I can only hope this animals cave was in the earthquake...
32 posted on 10/09/2005 3:59:31 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Americanwolf
It would not surprise me... the quake in Iran a couple of years back had a toll of around 80,000 I believe...

Perhaps, but the same MSM reported that, too.

And they didn't have the scrutiny or competative news source to reveal their lies.

Who knows how much innaccurate filth they have spewed that we have taken as fact, unchallanged.

From now on, my first thought given any sensationalist news will be to ask "So where do I get the facts from?". It will likely be here at FR and not some article sourced from the alphabet networks or other media.

As for the quake casualties, I'm skeptical.

It's not like they can accurately assess this through all of the chaos right now anyways. Who could possibly believe they could actually mobilized fast enough to get people in there to count? More than likely this number is an estimate from those in charge in Pakistan who have basically "written off" the lives of those in multiple towns and districts. They know they can't get help there fast enough and probably wouldn't if they could.

33 posted on 10/09/2005 4:22:36 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Dallas59

The story is already circulating out there on the fringes. Apparently Bush is attempting to make some gains in popularity and has somehow caused a large magnitude quake to a) cover up his inability to capture OBL and is using earthquakes to do it, b) redirecting the American public's gaze away from his Presidency, and c) developing technology that will scare the tin hat crowd even more.

Or some variants of each.

I pray for the people there and also that the Robert Fisks and Lew Rockwells and George Soros et al. cease and desist from turning this tragedy into yet another political strategy.


34 posted on 10/09/2005 5:17:50 AM PDT by MarkBSenior
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To: HAL9000

Prayers sent for the death of the innocents. Are they saying that the worst hit was the Kashmir ares? I heard it was as far south as Islamabad. More than likely, the most deaths were caused from collapsing buildings.


35 posted on 10/09/2005 5:26:50 AM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: FairOpinion

.....This earthquake occurred over a large area.......

....Where population densities are probably double the most densly populatrd sections of NOLA.

In a country with inaccurate census, the death toll estimates are pretty much without any basis in fact.

The total will never be known.


The one thing we know for sure is that the deaths are all the will of ALLAH.


36 posted on 10/09/2005 5:43:00 AM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . I smell a dead rat in Baton Rouge!)
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To: nuconvert
thanks for the numbers of the Bam earthquake... I knew it was in the 10,000's of thousands...
37 posted on 10/09/2005 10:13:46 AM PDT by Americanwolf (I Served proudly.... how dare you tell me I have no convictions...)
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To: Caipirabob
you make some very excellent points...


I get skeptical at anything I hear out of the MSM these days...

I thought about last night too... inflating the numbers also draws more initial "sympathy" for Pak & India...

Well have to wait to see...

still is a shame that there will be many deaths..
38 posted on 10/09/2005 10:18:14 AM PDT by Americanwolf (I Served proudly.... how dare you tell me I have no convictions...)
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To: Americanwolf
still is a shame that there will be many deaths..

Yes, very much so. I fear sending money and aid to Pakistan will be about as effective as sending it to Zimbabwe.

Perhaps we might send Bono? No, I wouldn't wish that upon anyone...

39 posted on 10/09/2005 2:15:05 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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