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To: Sam Cree
Thank you for conceding the point that employees must use company parking lots. Given that, it is equally obvious that they cannot be forced to give up the right to have guns in their cars.

faireturn, I don't believe that our constitutional RKBA extends to the private property of others,

At issue here is the right to carry guns in your private property, your car, while in a company parking lot. No one is violating any company 'private property', as the guns never leave the car.

your last post indicates that you think that RKBA gives you the right to carry on the private property of others whether they want you to or not

My gun is in a locked car, - my property. I a not "carrying" on your property. Get it yet?

In a free country, you still have the abililty to make choices, even if your rulers think they are "ill advised.

'Rulers"? How odd.. -- Can you explain why people "ought to have that power" -- the power to ignore the constitution? -- Why should we allow companies to have the power to ban guns in parking lots? It makes no constitutional sense.

It looks like you are here wilfully ignoring that the Constitution does not give you the right to carry on someone else's property unless they say you can.

I can't stop you from imagining that. Nothing I've written here 'wilfully ignores the Constitution', and you know it.

As you pointed out to me earlier in Exsoldier's post, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose. My property.

And as was pointed out to you earlier, your right to ban weapons does not extend to my property, my car, legally parked in your lot while I'm at work.

Here'e my viewpoint:
It may be wrong of a business to ban firearms in employees' cars which are on the premises. But being that the business is not in fact infringing on the RKBA, it's more wrong to give government the power to force the issue.

The fact is that 'the business' is infringing on the RKBA, and it is the governments job to stop such infringements. We empower local, state & feds to enforce our laws, among their other duties.

192 posted on 10/10/2005 2:56:13 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn

faireturn, I've made my arguments as completely, clearly and simply as I can. You don't think a citizen should have the right to make it conditional that people coming on his property should not have firearms (or other things, I suppose) in their car. I do.

I thought maybe that you made a distinction between residential and commercial properties, but apparently not.

I will have to settle for just telling you to keep your car off my property, if you inisist on keeping a gun in it that I don't want on my land. Although, truth be told, I doubt that I would mind. It's the right to control what comes on my own property that matters to me. Even including the interior of an automobile.


194 posted on 10/10/2005 3:16:38 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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