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Student's death brings out theories, fears (Norman bomber-spin alert)
Tulsa World ^ | Oct 9, 2005 | Mark Hinrichs

Posted on 10/09/2005 11:22:54 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl

NORMAN - University of Oklahoma officials, the Muslim community, students and others are waiting for the FBI to connect the dots in last week's public suicide of an OU student.

Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, was killed Oct. 1 in an explosion that officials say he caused not far from a packed Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

But the dots cannot be connected, at least at this point, said Stephen Sloan, a former University of Oklahoma professor who is alarmed that far-right extremist groups have taken to the Internet with conspiracy theories attempting to link the actions of Hinrichs to the Muslim community of Norman and to the Middle East.

The FBI has provided little information about its investigation but said last week that there is no known link between Hinrichs and terrorist or extremist organizations. But questions linger as to Hinrichs' intent before he died in an explosion while sitting on a park bench in front of the George Lynn Cross microbiology building about 100 yards west of the stadium.

"No doubt there are a lot of questions to be answered," Sloan said. "But it is unfortunately logical to think that he was trying to get into the stadium."

The terrorism expert said the size of the explosion indicates that it was designed to hit more than Hinrichs. He said it seems more than coincidence that this occurred on the Saturday night of a football game.

A student, Adam Smith, related last week that he learned from a ticket taker at Gate 6 on the north side of the football field that a young man had tried to gain entrance. The ticket taker wanted to examine the man's backpack, which prompted the man to sprint away, Smith said he was told.

The FBI reportedly has confirmed that its review of surveillance cameras in the stadium did not reveal that Hinrichs tried to gain entrance. However, OU President David Boren declined at midweek to say whether cameras are mounted at all entrances.

The FBI has kept mum about the explosive that Hinrichs used and declined to comment on reports that large amounts of explosives were in his apartment.

The explosion that killed Hinrichs also burned a large area around the bench. If the explosion had occurred inside the stadium, it could have killed fans, prompting the question of whether that was Hinrichs' intent all along.

A suicide note apparently has not been found. Hinrichs' father, who had conversations with the FBI, told The Associated Press that his son did not leave a suicide note.

Joel Hinrichs Jr. told the Tulsa World that he knew his son was troubled, but he had no idea he wanted to die.

"I would have been there within whatever the speed limit would allow me to be if I had any inclination that he was this unhappy," the father said from his family's home in Colorado Springs the day after the explosion.

It remains unanswered as to whether Hinrichs could have concocted the explosive device on his own, although there are no indications he acted with others.

Those who knew of him -- from his high school teacher in Colorado Springs to fellow engineering students at OU -- said he was typically a loner who sat by himself in the classroom. He was among the National Merit Scholars whom Boren has attracted to the OU campus.

His father told the Colorado Springs Gazette that at an early age, Hinrichs was fascinated with science. At the time of his death, he was a third-year engineering student at OU.

Boren has said it appears this is an "individual suicide," noting that Hinrichs waited until people were inside the stadium before he took his life.

University officials say they have no record of Hinrichs having a season ticket or purchasing one for the OU-Kansas State game.

OU Vice President of Communications Catherine Bishop added, however, that the university has no way of knowing whether Hinrichs could have purchased a ticket from someone outside the stadium, where many people typ ically sell tickets on game day.

Sloan said the public should note the fact that if Hinrichs did try to get into the stadium, he was stopped.

"If Hinrichs was turned away, that is a positive mark in terms of security awareness," he said.

While Hinrichs' individual actions are still being probed, the Islamic community of Norman is on edge, fearful that this troubling event is somehow linked to Muslims.

"Haven't we learned from the bombing of the Murrah Building (in 1995) in Oklahoma City, when the first reports tried to tie the bombing to a foreigner from the Middle East?" Sloan said. "But that proved to be false.

"It is much too early to render a full judgment," said Sloan, who regrets that some people already are convinced this is a conspiracy.

Hinrichs lived at Parkview Apartments, just a few blocks from the mosque of the Islamic Society of Norman. Also fueling the link to some kind of Middle East terrorism is the fact that Hinrichs' roommate, Fazil Cheema, is from Pakistan. Acquaintances of Cheema's say he is not a practicing Muslim and never attends services at the mosque.

Muslims who attend the mosque also say they are not aware that Hinrichs ever set foot in the mosque.

The quest for the truth, however, has been hindered by the fact that Cheema himself has not made himself available to the media since the incident occurred. He has left the apartment where he lived with Hinrichs, although he is still believed to be in Norman.

Acquaintances say that Hinrichs and his roommate have in common the fact that both could be called loners, and possibly ended up as roommates at Parkview because neither of them had other friends, so they were assigned to live together.

Tariq Alzoubi, a Muslim who has been part of the Islamic community in Norman for several years, said when he found out that the individual who died was white and not Middle Eastern, "I was not happy, but I was relieved. Then the issue came up that his roommate might be Pakistani."

Originally from Jordan and Saudi Arabia, Alzoubi said Muslims have been on edge when something like this happens ever since Sept. 11, 2001.

"Before 9-11, I knew 30 Saudi students at OU; all but two of them left," he said.

"My only concern in all of this is that we stay away from collective punishment for something bad that happened here," he said.

Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465 mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
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To: orionblamblam

he would drive within the speed limit

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I notice that too. How very strange to put it that way.


51 posted on 10/09/2005 12:40:41 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: JustaCowgirl

hmmmmm.....odd that the article didn't mention all the explosives removed from the depressed students apt. Did they belong to the roomie? I know I'm just being a hysterical right wing nutcase, but why were explosives in that apt?


52 posted on 10/09/2005 12:40:58 PM PDT by Jrabbit (Kaufman County, Texas)
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To: Bigg Red

"he would drive within the speed limit"

Trying hard to sound like what he believes a "law and order" conservative type would sound like. But, from the overwrought apology to Muslims, to the weirdly detached relationship he had with his son, to the Subaru, which is an iconic leftie-mobile, this guy's not conservative. And, you've got to wonder why it's important for him to appear to be.

Too much of a smokescreen for there not to be something very interesting there, as far as the father is concerned, don't you think?


53 posted on 10/09/2005 12:51:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: milford421
Hinrich's Pakistani room mate, Cheema, worked for the Athletic Dept.

Is he still in the country? I think I heard that there were two other room mates, if true what about them?

54 posted on 10/09/2005 12:59:52 PM PDT by fella (Political Correctness = Stuck On Stupid)
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To: fella

"Hinrich's Pakistani room mate, Cheema, worked for the Athletic Dept.
Is he still in the country? I think I heard that there were two other room mates, if true what about them?"

These are the details that keep conflicting. As far as I know, the FBI is keeping mum on the whereabouts of Cheema.


55 posted on 10/09/2005 1:16:09 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

I have never seen any cameras at OU except at the Art Museum, Museum of Natural History and at the Bizell Library for the priceless collections. I know for a fact they are not in the parking garages.


56 posted on 10/09/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: knarf; All

He was a loner, yet was on the debate team and got along famously at least within that circle.

Dad, stated he had received emails and everything was fine.

Dad, said he blow himself up in an open area so no one else could be hurt. (I know, WTF?)

More explosive materials in the home that took hours and hours to take out...unless you think they took all the furniture for dusting and fit it into that lovely small explosive trailer cylinder several times.

When he took a year off... did he travel? Or just go to therapy at Goddard?

Search warrant has been sealed by the DOJ. Move along... nothing to see here.

Boren seemed to know who it was pretty fast, what I what give to have a school official know every student and what his state of mind was within hours.

The beard was inspired by Abraham Lincoln?

He lived in the frat house for a few months then left his frat to move in with the Paki roommate... hmmm, maybe it was less social... you think. BTW, he has been relocated after his arrest along with two others and release... where? Well he had the tickets to Algeria there in the apt... who knows.

Why does a private person stage a public death (I'll just show them...nah), why is it it happened right before halftime (when the students leave the stadium and return later), why has dad known since 12 (?), this kid liked to blow things up and didn't do anything? Funny how none of his friends on OK tv knew anything about it (one mentioned ammo, that doesn't make me feel better). Why is there no account of suspension or reprimand of him through school, if he liked explosives that much... you wouldn't be able to check it and keep it down... when you had all those goodies in lab and could impress and make friends.

I know paragraphs are my friend.

There were a lot of deaths in that area days before (I know tin-foil hat lamp is on)... I'm wondering if they always have that level of incidents in the area.

Here, have a link (generic, have many more):
http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/5058347/detail.html

P.S. Feel free to listen to the dispatcher audio 4 and after, the first three are calls to report. Ciao


57 posted on 10/09/2005 1:19:03 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("A Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade-Keeper of MOOSEMUSS".)
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To: PhiKapMom

Hi PhiKap,

"The FBI reportedly has confirmed that its review of surveillance cameras in the stadium did not reveal that Hinrichs tried to gain entrance."

Just what the heck is going on here?

No videos in the parking garage? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that where one of the bombs was found?


58 posted on 10/09/2005 1:20:39 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

You left out Boren's ties to intelligence.


59 posted on 10/09/2005 1:21:07 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("A Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade-Keeper of MOOSEMUSS".)
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To: Jrabbit

The roomie(s) didn't know he was building bombs so it is not their 500 lbs of bombing material so must belong to Joel. (sarcasm)

This see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil approach by Boren is getting on my nerves and the media lapdogs are going right along with the bravo sierra being spread around here.


60 posted on 10/09/2005 1:21:15 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: AliVeritas

"You left out Boren's ties to intelligence."

You're right, I did, didn't I? That's an important point.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee and left in 1994. He then joined the University.


61 posted on 10/09/2005 1:24:47 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

I cannot find a soul, not to say there is not one, that will confirm we had surveillance cameras at the stadium except maybe at the Switzer Center where all the OU memorabilia is on display plus the places I mentioned.

My daughter had a CD player stolen last April from her car parked in a parking garage and OU PD told her they are not allowed to have surveillance cameras on campus in the parking garages because student groups and ACLU would be upset. He was not a happy camper. First thing I asked was about surveillance tapes when he called me and he confirmed what she had to say. Only the valuable exhibits have the surveillance cameras.


62 posted on 10/09/2005 1:25:04 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom

"This see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil approach by Boren is getting on my nerves."

I couldn't agree with you more.


63 posted on 10/09/2005 1:26:28 PM PDT by milford421
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To: JustaCowgirl
Joel Hinrichs Jr. told the Tulsa World that he knew his son was troubled, but he had no idea he wanted to die.

"I would have been there within whatever the speed limit would allow me to be if I had any inclination that he was this unhappy," the father said from his family's home in Colorado Springs the day after the explosion.

Funny how dad knew his son was not involved with Islam or terrorism, but he didn't have a clue his son was suicidal. Of course, perhaps his son was not suicidal.

64 posted on 10/09/2005 1:27:15 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Wow...

Really, what the heck is going on here?


65 posted on 10/09/2005 1:28:45 PM PDT by milford421
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To: TheDon

Good point.


66 posted on 10/09/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by milford421
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To: layman

That line was like throwing red meat to the lions. I know plenty of FRiends believe just the opposite.


67 posted on 10/09/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: milford421

Google in why Boren "supposedly" left the Senate in 1994 -- I always thought it was Clinton but got the shock of my life last night.

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=11044

One of many links on the subject of David Boren that has come to light -- boy do I feel dumb since telling my kids that I didn't think it could be true. Listen to your college students on certain issues -- they are correct. Long but interesting read.

Now I want to know if he recommended OKC for some of the relocated Iraqi Republican Guard from Gulf War I.


68 posted on 10/09/2005 1:31:43 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Zeppo

"The terrorism expert said the size of the explosion indicates that it was designed to hit more than Hinrichs. He said it seems more than coincidence that this occurred on the Saturday night of a football game."

The above statement was in the article. The author of the article isn't such a hot writer, or he would have linked "terrorism expert" to Sloan's actual name. It appears that who you are talking about is one and the same with the prof being quoted. He is no long at OU - too lucrative to pass up all these gigs downplaying Muslim terrorism and exaggerating the threat from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.


69 posted on 10/09/2005 1:40:38 PM PDT by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: MizSterious

They are quite a bunch of liars. The press in this country just isn't worth a damn anymore. Haven't been since they covered up Kennedy's assassination.


70 posted on 10/09/2005 1:45:16 PM PDT by kjo
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To: PhiKapMom

This is really mind boggling stuff...

I haven't finished it yet. I'd be interested in hearing what your college kids know...e-mail privately if you'd like.


71 posted on 10/09/2005 1:46:53 PM PDT by milford421
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To: kjo
What cover-up?


72 posted on 10/09/2005 1:49:55 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: AliVeritas
On 570 KVI, I heard an interview with the Dad, it was just Bizarre. It was so clinical, no grieving, Dad is Whacked or he knew this was coming.
73 posted on 10/09/2005 1:50:36 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: Burr5

Here you go. I agree - that little unkempt beard is very reminiscent of other white boys taking on Islam as their new religion.

http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/03/4341fe8b294e8


74 posted on 10/09/2005 1:50:54 PM PDT by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: Sioux-san
Similar to Nick Berg, IIRC, who coincidentally meets a terrorist on a bus in Norman, gives him his computer and password, and then later ends up beheaded in Iraq. Not that I'm trying to connect nonexistent dots or anything.
75 posted on 10/09/2005 2:04:42 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: JustaCowgirl
Then again, as an OU fan, given the way the last two national championships and this whole season have been going I can understand some fans feeling a bit suicidal.
76 posted on 10/09/2005 2:20:37 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Yikes! The number of unconnected dots just increased by a quantum leap. And I only glanced over the first several paragraphs. That's worth bookmarking.


77 posted on 10/09/2005 2:23:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Where am I? What am I doing?)
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To: Sioux-san

Yes - the intervening paragraphs (such as the one bemoaning the lack of information from the FBI) between the introduction of the esteemed Doctor's name and the description of his trade obscured the link.


78 posted on 10/09/2005 2:29:03 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: TigersEye

I found double sourcing from other sources last night as well. It was astounding but the puzzle pieces are starting to fit.


79 posted on 10/09/2005 2:34:39 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
I hate to even ask what sort of picture you're coming up with. I'm on the way to the store to get a video and plan on getting a super-size box of tin foil for thoughts that are bombarding my brain after reading just some of that. I just read about this OU bombing story for the first time today. The unconnected dots are, to put it mildly, disturbing. I will be checking back tomorrow to see what's new, that is certain.
80 posted on 10/09/2005 2:44:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Where am I? What am I doing?)
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To: TigersEye
MSM's Beverage of Choice


81 posted on 10/09/2005 2:47:41 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: orionblamblam
I'm still trying to figure out where Hinrich's mother is...Dad seems to be somewhat of a Johnny Carson Karnack, knowing his son's disposition while only talking to him once a year as he was "passing through" Colorado Springs.
82 posted on 10/09/2005 2:53:19 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: not2worry

"I'm still trying to figure out where Hinrich's mother is"

There was a divorce, after they came to Colorado from Illinois, according to a few hits I got on Google, back during the early part of the week.

Nothing to find on the father, specifically. You'd think a software engineer would pull a page or two.


83 posted on 10/09/2005 2:59:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Vaquero

Well right now the FBI are licking envelopes and sealing evidence! For their eyes only....move along...nothing important here....


84 posted on 10/09/2005 3:00:23 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: milford421

Serving pork or Hebrew hotdogs at the concession stand?


85 posted on 10/09/2005 3:03:46 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: JustaCowgirl
"If Hinrichs was turned away, that is a positive mark in terms of security awareness," he said.

Oh, I get it, Professor. The fact he was turned away makes mitigates all the explosives found, his pakistani roomate and his foolish looking beard. It also takes away from the fact that people bent on suicide usually dont do it with collateral damage in mind. Come to think of Professor, SD &STFU..

86 posted on 10/09/2005 3:12:41 PM PDT by cardinal4 (No more catchy taglines-The Left just plain sucks...)
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To: JustaCowgirl

-Boren has said it appears this is an "individual suicide," noting that Hinrichs waited until people were inside the stadium before he took his life.-

Now Boren claims to know what the plan was. Fascinating study of supression going on here.


87 posted on 10/09/2005 3:13:28 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: cardinal4

"The fact he was turned away makes mitigates all the explosives found, his pakistani roomate and his foolish looking beard"

That he was turned away because of heighted entry restrictions due to concerns over alcohol escapes attention, as well as the fact that he was allowed to leave unquestioned, which permitted him to attempt entry a reported two more times.


88 posted on 10/09/2005 3:17:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Bigg Red
he would drive within the speed limit

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I notice that too. How very strange to put it that way.

Years ago, my son was hit by a car, and I got a phone call from a county cop telling me they were choppering him to Children's Hospital. I did not pay attention to the speed limit, or to the other rush hour traffic on I270, the Beltway and Georgia Avenue, as I passed cars on the left and right and drove several miles down the emergency lane (passing two MD State Troopers in the process and not getting even a double-take from them) to get to son's side.

PS: If the MSP had decided to chase me, they likely would have had to follow me to my destination. I was on a mission to be by my kid's side, and nothing was going to slow me down. The dad's response is at least, odd.

89 posted on 10/09/2005 3:21:58 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma
he would drive within the speed limit

I noticed that too..

90 posted on 10/09/2005 3:25:09 PM PDT by cardinal4 (No more catchy taglines-The Left just plain sucks...)
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To: Lizarde

There is a sealed INDICTMENT connected to the Norman bombing? This is the first I've heard of it. Do you have more information?


92 posted on 10/09/2005 3:32:04 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: hispanarepublicana

"There is a sealed INDICTMENT connected to the Norman bombing?"

That's what was originally quoted instead of sealed warrant, now deemed a slip of the tongue.


93 posted on 10/09/2005 3:33:42 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: JustaCowgirl
Muslims who attend the mosque also say they are not aware that Hinrichs ever set foot in the mosque.

"No... Never saw that guy before in my life" - mosque goer

"Of course. I assumed you hadn't." - reporter quickly leaving mosque after asking.

94 posted on 10/09/2005 3:35:48 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: JustaCowgirl

Here is the prof's resume..give me a minute and I can probably connect him to George Soros...lol

http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/S/Stephen.Sloan-1/vita.html


95 posted on 10/09/2005 3:35:50 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: indcons; hispanarepublicana; LibertyRocks; laz; Lizarde

I just returned from campus.

If his car was an old beat-up blue Lincoln Town Car, then it is still in the parking lot. It has one of the roofs that was not metal on the outside but kind of a leather like material -- I cannot think what they are called.

As for video cameras, I found what looks to be a new one installed at the SE corner of the end zone where students enter and also a new one in the parking garage as you leave -- at least they look new as they are black and around here black turns into grayish looking with the dirt blowing around. Could not find any at Gate 1; Gate 2 had one but it was pointed at the back of the ticket office not the gate; Gate 3 and 7 -- couldn't find any but will go back tomorrow to see if walking around I can see more. Very few people around campus this afternoon and frankly didn't want to stand out.

Looks to me like the video surveillance in the stadium was for ticket offices where they would have money and tickets not for the gates. The student gate definitely has one today -- all nice and new looking.

Can confirm a lot of ME students in Parkview Apartments that love to stare. Parking lot is pretty full at the Islamic Center.

End of my report from OU!


96 posted on 10/09/2005 3:37:09 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom

Great reporting!


98 posted on 10/09/2005 3:42:14 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: milford421
Yeah, cuz a suicide bomber sure cares about being seen on the cameras! </sarc>
100 posted on 10/09/2005 3:42:37 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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