Posted on 10/09/2005 11:42:04 AM PDT by wagglebee
Following a week-end attending a Worldview Conference, I came home with my mind full of the many directions we have taken since we first became a sovereign nation based on Godly principles.
It is very easy to see the forces coming against our nation and many of them are coming from within...and we have given them our permission.
If other worldviews are to flourish, it is imperative that the Christian Heritage of our nation be destroyed. I brought home numerous books and pieces of information and as I read through them, it is not difficult to see how Christianity has been removed from our nation, beginning in the classroom.
I purchased The New-England Primer, which has been reprinted by David Barton’s Wallbuilders organization. It was the primer used in Boston schools in 1777.
Brilliant drawings and illustrations were used as part of the teaching of the alphabet:
A. In Adam’s Fall; We sinned all
B. Heaven to find; The Bible Mind.
C. Christ crucify’d; For sinners dy’d.
D. The Deluge drown’d; The Earth around.
E. Elijah hid; By Ravens fed.
F. The judgment made; Felix afraid.
In the book, A Lesson for Children, we find:
Pray to God.
Love God.
Fear God.
Take not God’s name in vain
Cheat not in your play
Play not with bad boys
Love your School
Speak the Truth
Be not a Dunce
The whole primer is made up of lessons for life and “The Assembly of Divines.” Their teachings were based on the Bible.
We expect our children to really know about God and His truth by sending them to church one or two hours a week and a big part of that time is “entertainment.” We send them to schools funded by citizens’ tax dollars, but they are under the control of the NEA and ACLU. Schools where they are told God can not be mentioned and prayer must be evil because it is forbidden.
We then wonder why our nation has been dumbed down with no respect for our sovereign God, the Constitution, our Founding Fathers, the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights. We find our history books have been distorted. Much of the curriculum is long on fiction and short on truth.
Secular Humanism is a worldview religion with its own Manifesto. It has had a stronghold on the minds of our youth for decades. The following comes from A Humanist Manifesto (1933):
The time has come for widespread recognition of the radical change in religious beliefs throughout the modern world. The time is past for mere revision of traditional attitudes. Science and economic change have disrupted the old beliefs. Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience. In every field of human activity, the vital movement is now in the direction of a candid and explicitly humanism. In order that religious humanism may be better understood we, the undersigned, desire to make certain affirmations which we believe the facts of our contemporary life demonstrate.There is great danger of a final, and we believe fatal, identification of the word religion with doctrines and methods which have lost their significance and which are powerless to solve the problem of humans living in the Twentieth Century.
Although Humanists will deny it is a religion, there can be no doubt that Secular Humanism IS a religion, just as surely as Christianity. What most don’t realize, as Christianity was being removed from the schools, new religions were being introduced. Dr. David Noebel, author of many books on worldviews, reveals in his book Clergy in the Classroom page after page of documentation proving Secular Humanism is a religion - and by their own admission.
Environmentalism is a religion in the form of creature and earth worship above the Creator. We are subjecting our children to many religions, but the one true religion missing is Christianity, the foundation of our sovereign United States.
As we wonder why things are happening and we just can’t understand, we must realize our churches are benign in many areas. There are so few churches preaching the truth and, therefore, they are certainly no threat to what has invaded our nation. Many churches are into teaching more secular humanism than the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of our youth groups are no more than peer groups led by well meaning, but unqualified leaders.
Kids today have difficulty making moral decisions. Statistics sadly show little difference between divorce rates and other problems in the family among church-goers from the rest of the world. This should not be a surprise, as we have willingly handed over our most valuable investments -- our children -- to un-Christian curriculums, computers and television for training, and sometimes even a major portion of their upbringing.
“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” Proverbs 22:6
Maybe we would see a change in our nation if we went back to the New England Primer and children were taught from early childhood:
If GOD hath given you increase,
And blessed well your store,
Remember you are put in trust
And should relieve the poor.
Beware of foul and filthy lust,
Let such things have no place,
Keep clean your vessels in the LORD
That He may you embrace.
Ye are the temples of the LORD
For you are dearly bought
And they that do defile the same
Shall surely come to nought.
I believe that secular humanism in all of its various forms (socialism, enviornmentalism, eugenics, the culture of death) is tearing apart our society.
Secular humanism ping.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
He forgot to mention flouridation and other attempts to impurify our precious bodily fluids.
Recommended reading: Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship by Paul Vitz ISBN 0802807259
I dont mind people that are "open minded"...just those that are so open-minded that they are closed minded about it.. The type that declare the right to free expression as long it is THEIR free expression, and who insist that the government has full authority to stifle speech to the contrary as "hate-speech."
Why is this funny? I agree with everything in this article, except that the absence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in people's lives, rather than Jesus, is the cause. For only through the graces of His noodly appendages shall one find solace in their life.
Ramen
bump to your post.
There is far too much evidence for strictly belief. One must conclude that secular humanism is extremely detrimental to humans. One might conclude it is deadly. At any rate, it serves mankind better by its absence.
Any philosophy that elevates immediate self indulgence over long term well being of one and one's kindred cannot even begin to be considered as a substitute for Christianity. Well, not unless you are considering suicide for yourself and elimination of the whole human race.
Your message reminded me of somebody's words: "God heals and doctor takes the fee". However, not having any use for elders and the like, I would stick with the doctor, on purely selfish grounds.
Yes....the Founders not only thought so as well, they based our country on it-
of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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Noah Webster, the man personally responsible for Art. I, Sec. 8, ¶ 8, of the U. S. Constitution, explained two centuries ago:
The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God- the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.
And then there are those who subscribe to the notion that because the Founding Fathers did not specifically cite Judeo-Christian doctrine as a basis for the Constitution, they must not have wanted it, when the truth is that these principles were so intrinsic to their beliefs that they thought any specific reference unnecessary.
Awwww, it's just too bad it's not going away any time soon, isn't it?
Exactly!
Another great misconception is that the Christianity mentioned by the Founders couldn't have anything to do with government because of the 'septation of church and state' clause.
Few people seem to understand that the Christian religion is what PROTECTS the people from government....it doesn't even mean you have to BE Christian, you only have to follow Natural Law!
True enough, but you're simplistically mistaking the lack of religion for hedonism. I don't know of a single atheist or "humanist" who actually behaves that way or bases a worldview on "immediate self indulgence".
Don't mistake your prejudices for reality.
"Enviornmentalism [sic]" is a form of "secular humanism"? Ooookay...
Yes.
Unless you are culturally suicidally inclined. Then I imagine it would be most welcome.
The culture that replaces ours will have a strong ethical code and a consistent moral base. It's the only way to have a strong one and ours is weakening.
Perhaps the Latinos might supply a moral backbone. Lord knows that few American institutions have one. They are a possible hope.
Else we might consider Mandarin Chinese as a first language. After the navel gazers and self indulgent here have sapped the nation's very will to survive.
The Roman Republic could be described by the mothers' exhortations to their soldier sons: Come back with your shield, or on it.
Compare that to Mother Moonbat Sheehan's words.
Secular humanism IS self worship. However it is practised, it is based upon the idea that the individual human is the center of his universe and that there is no other force or entity that matters more.
Whatever the secular humanist decides at the moment is right and good. It is based upon a subjective notion of right and wrong. An internal set of criteria that is influenced by one's moods, feelings and whims. Whereas Christianity is based upon an objective, external set of criteria which does not waver.
The secular humanist's behaviour is strictly based upon the decision of the moment and is therefore unsuitable to base not only societal rules upon it, but personal ones as well.
In retrospect, I erred in not adding Darwinists/evolutionists to the list.
Thanks - I'll read/ping later.
"Well, unless one pines for talaboon madrassa, one better consider that the high tech future requires workforce at least the most creative part of which would have to come from secularist education. When coming down with appendicitis, one seeks surgeons, not faith healers."
Say GSlob, have you no regards for CATHOLIC education? More than one WORLD CLASS scientist comes from that venue. Can you admit that?
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That's funny, because evolutionists accept that humans evolved from "lower" apes, and a few people take that to mean apes and humans are on the same "level". How is this humanist?
Even the creationists typically use that as an attack against evolution ("WHAT?? I didn't come from a dirty, stinky monkey!").
The more I have studied Scripture, different denominations of Christianity, comparative religions, and the history of the Separation of Church and State, the more convinced I am that the intent of our founding fathers was to insure the differences between Christian denominations was their meaning in regards to the state not establishing nor disallowing any particular religion.
The deeper one studies the Word of God and observes fellow believers with their respective unique spiritual gifts and logistical grace provided to each of us uniquely by Him, the more apparant it becomes that other 'counterfeit religions' merely promote an inherantly system of false spirituality that will conflict with legitimate authority in private property, individual rights, marriage, family and government.
One aspect of authority which the angels might not ever observe in man until the second coming is a nation which has our Constitution, but recognizes God through faith in Christ.
Your proud ignorance of ethos matches your ignorance of history. Look up "Sparta" some time.
Secular humanism is the direct result of a country full of gutless pastors who grovel at the altar of the IRS's 501C-3 tax exempt status. By making the proverbial deal with the devil our country's churches have forfeited their sovereignty to the fedgov and we're left with a bunch of blowdried, limpwristed impostors who "don't want to offend anybody".
SPOTREP
No you didn't.
Wrong.
However it is practised, it is based upon the idea that the individual human is the center of his universe and that there is no other force or entity that matters more.
Nope.
Whatever the secular humanist decides at the moment is right and good.
Wrong again.
It is based upon a subjective notion of right and wrong. An internal set of criteria that is influenced by one's moods, feelings and whims.
Ditto for which religion a person chooses to follow, how strongly they follow its tenets, which ones are given more import, etc. Religious beliefs, views, observation, practice, and adherence are as subjective as any other.
Whereas Christianity is based upon an objective, external set of criteria which does not waver.
Ah, yes, that must be why there's only one, single, unified branch of Christianity. Oops!
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The secular humanist's behaviour is strictly based upon the decision of the moment
Wrong again. Very wrong.
and is therefore unsuitable to base not only societal rules upon it, but personal ones as well.
Maybe if your premises were correct, but since they aren't, your conclusion is fallacious.
In my field [chemistry] Nobel prize winners [and other top class scientists] that I know of are secular - if any one of them did attend religious school, they left this part of their education safely behind. There might be exceptions, but I suspect not many. I am not familiar with other fields, but I would be willing to make a bet on similar picture.
The logic there is fellatious, not "fallacious".
"When coming down with appendicitis, one seeks surgeons, not faith healers."
I rather like my church's take on such things. Go for the faith healers (actually, prayers and blessings by the elders), but also for the surgeons. Pray for guidance for the surgeon's hands, as he performs his art, while you're at it. Makes good sense to me, anyway.
As for secular humanism, it's ok in small doses. There are aspects of it I really do like, and quite a few I'm not so happy about.
Whatever its faults, secular humanism didn't fly jetliners into the World Trade Center. Nor are any of its adherents likely to ever do so.
I'd rather model myself after the late R. B. Woodward, but the ability is not there. And as for my "particular bigotry" - not a cent!
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are more secular humanist than godly.
From the extract MamaTexan quoted, he didn't.
You are quite clueless. Check my profile page and get up to speed.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
It's noteworthy how much lately I have read articles on FR, comments on FR, and even comments from a friend* - stating that "religion" is the worst thing in the world, that all evil comes from religions fanatics [meaning anyone who actually believes in God], that religious people have no business using their belief in God to inform any decision that affects public policy [the death penalty overturned because some of the jurors had consulted the Bible], that religion belongs in the cupboard [Rushdie], that religious belief in God is primitive superstition [evo threads], that societies where most citizens have strong religious belifes are the most deadly and dangerous, and the like.
Then consider the ACLU and how its insect like members are busily trying to remove every single vestige of religion from any public place. Although whether they are trying to remove Muslim symbols and the like I haven't heard.
It's more than just Christianity, it's God Himself they want to excise from the world. Their rebellion against God - motivated by their desire to be the Supreme - has caused them to go insane, and they are dragging everyone along with them.
First, we need to recognize that this is happening.
Second, we need to figure out what we're going to do about it.
Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.
*Retelling a conversation with a relative.
Um... attributed rather to Spartan mothers, I believe, in Plutarch's Moralia. But yes, a most admirable sentiment.
No, but they have stood by silently and in many instances participated while 40 million+ babies have been slaughtered in abortion mills over the past three decades.
Thanks for the ping Narses!
So have 99.99% of Christians.
Well, that's one example. Problems arise however when you go to an obstretician/gynecologist and they recommend abortion to someone who views it as murder. Or you vote for a politician who believes that there is nothing wrong with infanticide. Or you have a mechanic that doesn't think that there's anything wrong with overcharging you.
Without a Christian-centered ethos as a cultural lodestar, everyone can indulge in whatever is good for himself.
Uh, case NOT closed. Many states allow teenage girls to procur an abortion without parental consent. While ANY other form of surgery would.
...everyone can indulge in whatever is good for himself"
They have always done so, and there's nothing intrinsically bad in it: that's how the "invisible hand" works, among other things. Remember: "greed is good".
There is nothing intrinsically good in it either. Apparently the Holland model works for you, it sure doesn't for me. And when Gas hits $10.oo a gallon keep repeating your greed is good mantra. The bottom line mentality that views persons as commodities is definitely intrinsically bad.
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