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So, Mr. Chief Justice, will it be us or them?
The Dispatch ^ | October 9, 2005 | John Beydler

Posted on 10/10/2005 9:31:15 AM PDT by conservativebabe

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To: Ken H
Let's say a son buys a gun and gives it to his terminally ill father who then kills himself. Does the federal government have the authority to prosecute the son if Oregon refuses to charge him?

Interesting question. It gets into a conflict with 2nd A. issues. If a person buys a gun with the intent that the gun be used for a criminal activity by another, I suppose that would make him an accessory. If the gun was purchased from an out-of-State source, that would give Feds an avenue for prosecution. But the question is, is suicide a criminal activity?

However, that doesn't match the current circumstances, as the son is not acting in a governmentally licensed capacity when supplying the gun. The son could have just as well have bought an overdose of OTC drugs for his suicidal pop. The M.D. is operating under governmental license when supplying the poison. Perhaps if Oregon was allowing only State licensed gun dealers to rent out pistols for use in suicides the comparison would hold.

301 posted on 10/12/2005 8:02:50 AM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Because the States were then. The States had laws banning suicide and murder.

And let's be pointed. This is not about suicide -- it is about murder.

302 posted on 10/12/2005 2:34:59 PM PDT by bvw
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To: highball
You best include me amoungst those who do NOT make that mistake. History records exactly what you stated -- that the stated reasons for opposing incorporation of the Bill of Rights was that it would come to weaken, and eventually nullify those ALL those rights not expressly stated -- and then for the reasons just as you said -- because by a naming a few, the others could be disclaimed. And they have been.

The Federal behemoth has grown, and its greed for power has come to deny all rights and by the kinetic energy -- the momentum -- of that growth they have negated even the well-stated rights. Free speech inviscerated by CFR, gun laws crushing the right to bear arms, the drug laws and other Federal criminal claptrap eliminating rights to privacy (secure in one's person and effects from search and seizure -- not!). Yet the Hamilton you quote was a monarchist -- the Federal growth (although not the ruining of the Rights of Man) was what he wanted -- unchecked. His personal reasons for opposing the Bill of Rights were his own, and may well differ from what History records.

George Mason was right to demand that the Rights of Man be alluded to directly, be listed in some fashion in the Federal Constitution. For he saw beyond Hamilton's view. He saw that in some future era from his that we'd need to point to those words, list, and clear part of the charter and say at that time (now for example) this is NOT what we have! We demand it back!

303 posted on 10/12/2005 3:08:26 PM PDT by bvw
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To: jess35

Oh, just about everything. He is sovereign, and, quite frankly, He's still the boss!


304 posted on 10/14/2005 8:35:50 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: highball

God will have the final say and it won't be pleasant. We have corrupted HIS laws and one day He will punish us for it. I'm only interested in what God thinks, not what man thinks.


305 posted on 10/14/2005 8:37:52 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Prost1

Oh, you think you are so clever, huh? God doesn't 'think' the way WE do. He commands. We're supposed to obey but most won't. They don't want anyone telling THEM what to think or do. Cheez.


306 posted on 10/14/2005 8:40:31 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Sandy

Oh, really? Ever ask Him about these matters? No, I didn't think so. His word says thou shalt not kill and that also means suicide. Go ahead and believe what man has to say about these things. It's like spinning your wheels.


307 posted on 10/14/2005 8:42:11 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Rodney King

We need more people who will understand the will of God in all of these matters. In the end, nothing but what we do for God is going to matter. His wisdom supercedes our own. If people would pray and ask God to help, we wouldn't even be talking about this.


308 posted on 10/14/2005 8:44:20 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary
We need more people who will understand the will of God in all of these matters. In the end, nothing but what we do for God is going to matter. His wisdom supercedes our own. If people would pray and ask God to help, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

So basically, you want Supreme Court justices to ignore the plain meaning of the constiution and impose religious views when interpreting it? What compliant then would you have when liberals impose thier own views on the constitution? The constitution, as a document that limits federal power, well serves us Christians. We are best off just having it enforced as the plain contract that it is.

309 posted on 10/14/2005 8:54:02 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Makes too much sense.

I agree. Do it. Don't just talk about it, do it. It is up to the person.

You know dogs left to their own actions will go off by theirself to die. It is instinctive in them and maybe in us.


310 posted on 10/14/2005 9:22:16 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: Marysecretary
God will have the final say and it won't be pleasant. We have corrupted HIS laws and one day He will punish us for it. I'm only interested in what God thinks, not what man thinks.

That's great for your own personal life, but that's a lousy way to run a country.

Fortunately, the Founders didn't have to read God's mind. They gave us a nation of laws. Man's law, not God's law, is what governs this nation.

311 posted on 10/14/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball

They believed in God's law, called the 10 Commandments, and based our law on much of that. God was not left out of the writing of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. If we would follow God's principles, we wouldn't see all the crap going on in our judicial system. Our government, no matter who is at the helm, is failing us miserably because they don't want to follow God's commands. I'm not talking about a theocracy where religion is forced on us. But His principles were part of what made this nation great. Now we choose to ignore it. If we followed His plans, we'd be healthier, our crops would be more than enough to feed the world, etc.


312 posted on 10/14/2005 6:12:04 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

You have every right to believe as you want, but you're dead wrong on the history.

Our laws were not based on the Ten Commandments. Some of our laws happen to be the same as some of the Commandments, but many others of the Commandments are most definitely not relevant to our legal code. Heck, the very foundation of our economy depends on coveting - were there no coveting, our entire economic system would fall apart and our nation would fall.

Your view of God is personal. Let it guide your personal life. Trying to translate your view of God into public policy in any fashion is a very, very bad idea. That's the distinction I wanted to make.


313 posted on 10/14/2005 8:21:22 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball

And all I'm trying to say is that if we followed God's principles and commandments, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. He wrote down His principles in His Word but people don't want to be told what to do, even by God. So we go about our own way and the spiral keeps going downward. Love, M


314 posted on 10/16/2005 6:33:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

Well, that's your opinion and you have every right to it. I just don't share it, for many reasons.


315 posted on 10/17/2005 6:30:56 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball

That's okay, highball. I don't mind.


316 posted on 10/17/2005 12:02:44 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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