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So, Mr. Chief Justice, will it be us or them?
The Dispatch ^ | October 9, 2005 | John Beydler

Posted on 10/10/2005 9:31:15 AM PDT by conservativebabe

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To: betty boop
On the other hand, it seems wrong for a would-be suicide to recruit accomplices. It's bad enough to want to off one's self in the first place; but to make others a party to the act makes it worse.

Sure, so let's pass a constitutional amendment.

41 posted on 10/10/2005 10:01:59 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: AndyJackson

"So, given that about 10 constitutional principles collide in this one,..."

Which ones? I'm no scholar, but I don't see where the constitution addresses this at all.


42 posted on 10/10/2005 10:02:19 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: conservativebabe
Can you invision a scenario where what a state is doing goes against the desires of the nation as a whole and is morally repugnant to most? Does the federal government have a case, or duty even, to step in and stop it?

I can.
Prostitution. It's legal in some parts of Nevada.
It's illegal in the vast majority of the rest of the nation.
It's even repugnant to many, maybe even a majority.

The federal government doesn't do anything about that. It's left to the states.

43 posted on 10/10/2005 10:03:53 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: sinkspur
Neither you nor your loved one have the guts to resolve this yourselves. You want a doctor to do it for you, lending some respectability to legalized killing. You realize that the assisted suicide law is just about letting patients get prescriptions for lethal amounts of drugs, not about the doctor actually doing anything to do the patient?
44 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:15 AM PDT by rebelyell7
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To: AndyJackson

I was speaking more to the decision to do it, not the actual act. The people make the decision and the state allows doctors to go along with that decision. Does the doctor actually have to do anything beyond writing the prescription (i.e. does the patient administer the drug themselves?)


46 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:22 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Phantom Lord
Not true. Medical Marijuana is just one example that proves you wrong. States can attempt to make it legal but the feds just squash them down.

Right, and they did so wrongly. At least, however, there is a strong case that the drug trade truly affects interstate commerce. Unlike doctor assisted suicide.

47 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:22 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Phantom Lord
Not true. Medical Marijuana is just one example that proves you wrong. States can attempt to make it legal but the feds just squash them down.

Every State that has passed a law legalizing medical marijuana has legal medical marijuana. The Feds can enforce the Federal law if they wish, but the State laws stand.

48 posted on 10/10/2005 10:04:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Phantom Lord

"Should you be able to doctor shop until you find one who agrees to kill you? Should you be able to employ any person of your choosing to kill you?"

Yes, and Yes.


49 posted on 10/10/2005 10:07:24 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Motherbear
"The government secures our rights--rights from God. The government shouldn't be in the business of licensing doctors to kill. No one has a right to kill a defenseless person, even if that person wishes it."

Then that 'God-given right' should be enumerated as a constitutional ammendment. End runs are what the Left does and we shouldn't follow their lead.

50 posted on 10/10/2005 10:08:20 AM PDT by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: conservativebabe

This issue is an easy one.
Just like with abortion, it should be left up to the states.
That is the only acceptable conservative position.


51 posted on 10/10/2005 10:08:21 AM PDT by counterpunch (Save the GOP - withdraw Miers now)
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To: Motherbear
The government shouldn't be in the business of licensing doctors to kill. No one has a right to kill a defenseless person, even if that person wishes it.

"Providing someone with something they may or may not choose to kill themselves with" is hardly the same as "killing someone". And neither one of them seems much like "interstate commerce".

52 posted on 10/10/2005 10:08:35 AM PDT by rebelyell7
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To: AndyJackson

"First, there is the issue of equal protection and due process"

'Splain to me how either of those are appliable to someone deciding to have themsleves euthanized?


53 posted on 10/10/2005 10:10:06 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: AndyJackson

"First, there is the issue of equal protection and due process"

'Splain to me how either of those are applicable to someone deciding to have themsleves euthanized?


54 posted on 10/10/2005 10:10:12 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist
The constitution does not speak to suicide, so neither should the federal gvt.

As pointed out by another poster, and always left out of the conversation, the argument is not over assisted suicide, but over the use of federally regulated drugs to assit in suicide. There I believe the Feds have a legitimate interest in the matter.

55 posted on 10/10/2005 10:11:01 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: conservativebabe

This is a state issue and the Feds have no constitutional authority to ram their power down Oregonians' throats. No, I would not vote for a state sentator or state rep who advocated this for my state. But under our federal system, Oregon unquestionably has the right to do this.

If we were not so conditioned to federal presidents, congresses, and courts ignoring the 9th & 10th amendments and trampling on the authority of the states, I don't think this would even be debated.


56 posted on 10/10/2005 10:11:30 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: betty boop; Phantom Lord; Alamo-Girl; marron

The argument in favor of suicide is twofold: self-determination and compassion.

The argument in favor of natural death is: power abuse, the value of life, murder laws, and coercion.

The problems far outweigh the benefits.


57 posted on 10/10/2005 10:11:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Busywhiskers

"I am an Oregonian. I voted against physician assisted suicide and would be happy to do so again"

Great. But you lost. The issue is should the Federal Gvt supercede your fellow Oregonian's wishes.


58 posted on 10/10/2005 10:12:01 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: rebelyell7
You realize that the assisted suicide law is just about letting patients get prescriptions for lethal amounts of drugs, not about the doctor actually doing anything to do the patient?

The doctor proscribes the drugs. If the doctor doesn't actually do anything to the patient then if a doctor gives someone a perscription that they are clearly allergic to, with the possibility of death and the person takes them and dies, well you can't sue. The doctor didn't do anything to the patient, he only gave them a prescription.

59 posted on 10/10/2005 10:12:54 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Pessimist
'Splain to me how either of those are applicable to someone deciding to have themsleves euthanized?

Two things. They are not euthanizing themselves. Doctors / pharmacists are supplying them with the means to do it, assisting with the process. Second, we are not talking about digging fence posts here. We are talking about life, one of the most fundamental things that the state is charged with respecting. Respect for life is the begining of what separates common law countries from the fascists.

60 posted on 10/10/2005 10:13:33 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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