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Miers unlikely to 'evolve'
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 10/10/5 | Marvin and Peter Olasky

Posted on 10/10/2005 12:33:51 PM PDT by Crackingham

Question: What does Harriet E. Miers, a highly successful lawyer, longtime member of Valley View Christian Church in Dallas and confidant of the president of the United States, want more than anything else?

Answer: The approval of the faculty of Yale Law School.

Or at least that is the fear among conservatives. They worry that although Miers is believed to be a pro-life evangelical conservative, she -- like David Souter and Anthony Kennedy before her -- will be seduced by liberalism. As former Bush speechwriter David Frum noted after Miers was nominated, "The pressures on a Supreme Court justice to shift leftward are intense." Frum noted "the sweet little inducements -- the flattery, the invitations to conferences in Austria and Italy, the lectureships at Yale and Harvard -- that come to judges who soften and crumble."

Ah, yes, the sweet little inducements: Washington dinner parties, laudatory editorials from the nation's great liberal newspapers and, perhaps most important, praise from the smug savants back at dear old Yale or Harvard. Many leading lawyers never forget their roots in the Ivy League, where all-knowing professors throw laurels on judges who "get it" and scorn those who don't. Forget Austria: It takes a very strong (or very principled) constitution to do without that intellectual flattery.

But perhaps that makes Miers the perfect candidate. Perhaps it takes someone who did not go to Harvard or Yale and has never seemed to care. Miers went to law school at Southern Methodist University, which, although a well-respected institution, was unlikely to have been a bastion of progressive thought when she entered the law school in 1970.

As a result, she likely avoided the flaying of conservative justices that would have been tattooed in the minds of most members of today's Supreme Court.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: harrietmiers; miers; olasky; scotus; supremecourt
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1 posted on 10/10/2005 12:33:53 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Her entire career has been one of constantly evolving. See my tagline.


2 posted on 10/10/2005 12:34:33 PM PDT by Betaille ("Ms. Miers's record is one of supporting a conservative position and then abandoning it." -John Fund)
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To: Crackingham

let's see how long it takes the Bush/Miers bashers to get here....


3 posted on 10/10/2005 12:35:31 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche

First!


4 posted on 10/10/2005 12:37:45 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: justche

Too late, you were in after a 'bush basher'...i.e. anyone that doesn't accept "trust me"


5 posted on 10/10/2005 12:38:15 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: justche

Who exactly does or "did" the anti-Miers crowd want nominated instead?


6 posted on 10/10/2005 12:40:09 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: justche

"let's see how long it takes the Bush/Miers bashers to get here...."

Oooops, we were beat here by the Bush/Meiers Koolaid drinking shills.

An awful lot of mindless party hacks have been here lately.


7 posted on 10/10/2005 12:40:18 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: flashbunny

It's one herd or another with some posters on here....


8 posted on 10/10/2005 12:40:38 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche
"let's see how long it takes the Bush/Miers bashers to get here...."

All five of them?..I'm soooo scared!

9 posted on 10/10/2005 12:41:04 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Republicans should give Miers a fair vote.)
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To: Earthdweller

Now that was funny!


10 posted on 10/10/2005 12:42:14 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche

The biggest Miers "basher" beat you by one second.


11 posted on 10/10/2005 12:43:49 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Earthdweller

" All five of them?..I'm soooo scared!"

Yeah...and I've noticed the big pitcher of koolaid isn't exactly shared by more than a couple dozen posters.

They just make up for it with volume.


12 posted on 10/10/2005 12:44:19 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: Crackingham

No kidding...W. said that last week. Why does it take so long for everyone to realize the onvious?


13 posted on 10/10/2005 12:44:54 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: ez

...obvious.


14 posted on 10/10/2005 12:46:01 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

There was a list.

But as for me, I liked Janice Rogers Brown.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 12:50:27 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: Crackingham
Maybe it will take someone who will look to the Founding Documents in sculpting decisions. Not someone who believes that their stellar legal education, legal career and legal friends will provide all the answers.
16 posted on 10/10/2005 12:52:51 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: TSchmereL

Well why not nominate Judge Bork again?


17 posted on 10/10/2005 12:52:57 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

He is too old.


18 posted on 10/10/2005 12:54:08 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Bork was born in March of 1927. He is now over 78 years old.


19 posted on 10/10/2005 1:00:11 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: flashbunny

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Sorry.
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Trust in me And just in me


20 posted on 10/10/2005 1:02:09 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: TSchmereL
I apparently am not as much a conservative as I had previously thought. The anti-Miers side leads me to believe that compared to them, I must be a screaming, (Howard Deaniac) liberal.

I really don't see what is so wrong with her. Unless it is that the really hard core of our side just wanted a Bork like candidate, and nothing else would suffice.

21 posted on 10/10/2005 1:02:42 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: Crackingham

As do most Bushbots, the Olaskys agree with W that:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Oh, wait, maybe that was Big Brother in George Orwell's novel, 1984; you know, the values are so similar.


22 posted on 10/10/2005 1:02:42 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: TSchmereL

I just realized my grandmother was born the day after Robert Bork. That is cool.


23 posted on 10/10/2005 1:05:10 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I just wanted what Bush Promised.

In 2000, George W. Bush repeated over and over again – first on the stump and then in 2001 at the Presidential podium – that he would appoint judges “in the mold” of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Justice Clarence Thomas had already been an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States since 1991. In 2000, Justice Clarence Thomas had a clear record as a conservative and a constitutional originalist. In 2000, everyone knew what George W. Bush meant when he said he would appoint judges “in the mold” of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

George W. Bush did not say that he would appoint judges “in the mold” of Clarence Thomas as Clarence Thomas was back in 1991 when his record was less clear and many Conservatives still had doubts about him.

In 2000, George W. Bush DID NOT PROMISE he would nominate a stealth candidate who we would have to trust to be “in the mold” of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Bush backed down from a much needed public debate on Conservatism. By doing so, he has created a real incentive for judges who aspire to be nominated to higher courts to avoid creating clear conservative records for themselves.
24 posted on 10/10/2005 1:17:04 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: justche
Kool-Aid for you, Popcorn for the rest of us!


25 posted on 10/10/2005 1:23:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: TSchmereL
By doing so, he has created a real incentive for judges who aspire to be nominated to higher courts to avoid creating clear conservative records for themselves.

No kidding. What this appointment says is, "NEVER issue a conservative judgment, because it will forever outlaw you from being promoted to a higher court."

So, does this mean that if conservative judges hope to be promoted on the merits of their decisions, they will have to issue nothing but liberal decisions? Apparently.

26 posted on 10/10/2005 1:28:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Earthdweller

"let's see how long it takes the Bush/Miers bashers to get here...."
"All five of them?..I'm soooo scared!"

There are actually nine of them and they have this cute little ping list for each other.


27 posted on 10/10/2005 1:29:52 PM PDT by KingKongCobra (Trying to save the "Donner Party" from themselves.)
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To: Crackingham

The function of the Supreme Court is not to be a rubber stamp for the White House. It is also not supposed to be a place where you put people just because they're you're friends or agree with you on religious matters. FDR tried packing the Court and it didn't work. Bush can be notorious for appointing friends to high-level Government positions with no evidence that they have any experience or qualifications for the job (Brown comes to mind, the guy took care of horses for Cripe's sake; how did that qualify him to be the head of a Federal agency?)He messed up with this one, too, and I'm not afraid to say it.


28 posted on 10/10/2005 1:30:23 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: TSchmereL

I trust Mr. Bush to have nominated someone that will be in the mold of Thomas and Scalia. You apparently don't. So be it.


29 posted on 10/10/2005 1:30:55 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Who exactly does or "did" the anti-Miers crowd want nominated instead?

I wanted a nominee who liberals said this about:

Justice Janice Rogers Brown

A review of California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown's record to date raises serious questions and grave concerns about her persistent and disturbing hostility to affirmative action, civil rights, the rights of people with disabilities, workers' rights, and criminal rights. In addition, Brown has often been the lone justice to dissent on the California Supreme Court, illustrating that her judicial philosophy is outside the mainstream. Not only does she show an inability to dispassionately review cases, her opinions are based on extremist ideology that ignores judicial precedent, including that set by the U.S. Supreme Court.

30 posted on 10/10/2005 1:34:19 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; All

They always have their wish list of candidates, not knowing if they could or would serve on the S.C.. They have condemned this person without hearing a word from her. I've never seen anything like it about a nominee from their own paty. Instead of taking on the false charges against DeLay, Frist, Rove, Bennett, ETC, and doing some beneficial research and "fighting" there, they're attacking a conservative judicial choice. Those of us who defend Ms Meirs or are at least open about her potential qualifications are called various names. And if you disagree with Ann Coulter and happen to be a woman, they automatically of course think we're "jealous"! As if she were the only attractive female on earth. Such shallow narrow-minded chauvanism in that pre-programmed (by many here) response.


31 posted on 10/10/2005 1:40:42 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I really don't see what is so wrong with her. Unless it is that the really hard core of our side just wanted a Bork like candidate, and nothing else would suffice.

The nomination is more than "about her." The nomination shrinks from displaying and advocating conservatism.

Post 24 above describes a concern that is not about the nominee as a judge, but rather an artifact of being timid.

32 posted on 10/10/2005 1:44:48 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TSchmereL
I just noticed that Trent Lott was born the day after Jesse Jackson.

Which of the two has done more to advance the conservative agenda?

33 posted on 10/10/2005 2:07:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Jesse Jackson. No contest.


34 posted on 10/10/2005 3:18:16 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Trust but verify.")
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To: flashbunny
All your talk of "Kool Aid" and Bush-bots has turned me away. I support this nomination, now. I did not before.

"You can look it up."

35 posted on 10/10/2005 3:24:10 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Wow. Some steadfast principles you have there.


36 posted on 10/10/2005 3:26:19 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: flashbunny
There you go some more. You just don't get it, do you? Your incessant bitching is driving away the very people you want to convince.

You're female, aren't you?

37 posted on 10/10/2005 3:28:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: flashbunny

---"Too late, you were in after a 'bush basher'...i.e. anyone that doesn't accept "trust me"---

Rush Limbaugh is among those Bush bashers. I guess we should have seen it coming since he's been against Bush all along.

Oh no, wait........he's pretty much carried the administration's water on just about everything. Never mind!

I for one will continue to question this nomination, and I am even willing to deal with the biggest defense Miers supporters have been willing and able to mount so far: name calling.

I don't care; Supreme Court nominations are too important to back down from, even if it's the President you aren't backing down from. He may decide that backing down from Supreme Court nomination battles is the way to go, but many of us on the right won't back down in unison with him.

I'd rather be called a jerk and contribute to changing the Supreme Court for the better than be an agreeable party guy who contributes to the Court's continued destruction.

The Supreme Court is too important to be wrong about, period. "Trust me" is entirely acceptable on 9,999 issues of the day with the Bush administration as far as I'm concerned; but the Supreme Court is that 1 in 10,000 that it is not good enough for.

It is just too big,
it is just too big,
it is just too damned big!!!!!!

And frankly, I'm getting really tired of the fact that Bush is so damn willing to fight his own supporters to the death, but won't even dare lift his sword against a Democratic Senator. He'll shove Miers down our throats, but he won't even bring up the names of J. Michael Luttig or Edith Jones in conversation with the Senate Democrats.


38 posted on 10/10/2005 3:31:02 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: TitansAFC

Ummmm... Bunny is on your side here. That was "sarcasm".


39 posted on 10/10/2005 3:32:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Crackingham

Olasky is a good man. Like many good Christians, he is trying to be optimistic. However, many other good Christians know what this nation has to lose if SCOTUS appointments go bad..


40 posted on 10/10/2005 3:34:06 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: Cyber Liberty

What a dumb reason to support a nomination. *LOL* But if that's your thing, go for it. :o)


41 posted on 10/10/2005 3:35:37 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: justche
The Bush/Miers bashers will be here far sooner than you will see a cognitive reason she shouldn't be SCJ!! I'm beginning to guess that about half are Dems trying to stir the pot. The other half are Buchaniacs or the same thing. Their entire argument is, she's not "Conservative" enough for me.

Pray for W and Harriet Miers

42 posted on 10/10/2005 3:39:33 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"Your incessant bitching is driving away the very people you want to convince."

And apparently you have chosen with the side that says, without any evidence:

1. If you don't support miers then you are disloyal to the republican party.
2. If you don't support miers you are an unappeasable bush hater.
3. If you don't support miers then you are an elitist.
4. If you don't support miers then you are a sexist.
5. If you don't support miers, then you are trying to ruin her life.
6. If you don't support miers, then you are harming the war on terror.
7. If you don't support miers you are an anti-religious bigot.

These are just 7 of the tactics I've seen used this past week on people who dare question this pick.

None of these were based in fact, and most are completely contradictory to the truth.

They are essentially the techniques the left has used for years to stifle dissent. Someone disagrees with you so you do things like accuse them of elitism or sexism to shut them up. On the basic theory that people would rather hold their tounges than be called 'sexists' or 'elitists'.

When the clintonites did this, they were condemned on free republic. But when it is done to defend bush, the same tactics are suddenly embraced. No one draws attention to them other than those subject to the attacks. That is the essence of hypocrisy.

Now tell me, which side of this discussion has remained dedicated to upholding the same standards of individual accountability and judging actions on their own merits, and which side has sunk to the tactics of the left in order to bully people into keeping quiet?
43 posted on 10/10/2005 3:39:52 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: k2blader
Went like this: Stunned at first, and not happy about the ones passed up. Then I considered the Senate, and the RINOs therein waiting to scuttle whoever Bush sent up, so I figured on "Wait and see what happens." Then, the stridency of certain known Bush-bashers on this forum helped me settle: With enemies like this, she must be good.

You have someone yell in your face, claiming you have a compulsion to have oral sex with Bush, and you'll get soured, too.

44 posted on 10/10/2005 3:41:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: flashbunny

Read 44. You've convinced me to oppose you.


45 posted on 10/10/2005 3:41:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; nerdgirl; Ol' Sparky; Map Kernow; Betaille; Pessimist; flashbunny; Itzlzha; ...

Ping!

If you're already here, then this is redundant ;)


46 posted on 10/10/2005 3:42:42 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: Betaille
Her entire career has been one of constantly evolving. See my tagline.

Your tagline is worthless and so Is John Funds claim. Her 'evolution' has trended from left to right, both in her political life and her spiritual life. Those are facts neither you nor John Fund can change though you can continue to ignore them in an effort to obfuscate.

47 posted on 10/10/2005 3:43:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: flashbunny

Oh, by the way: I refuse to judge for you how he debate has been practiced on FR. Go find someone who cares.


48 posted on 10/10/2005 3:43:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Cyber Liberty

like I said, you've got some rock solid principles if that's how you make decisions.


49 posted on 10/10/2005 3:43:39 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: flashbunny
*Yawn*

I guess I was right about the source of your stridency...lol..

DEPMA.

50 posted on 10/10/2005 3:45:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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