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Open challenge to the "Conservative" punditry.

Posted on 10/10/2005 2:18:19 PM PDT by MNJohnnie

Open Challenge to the "Conservative" Punditry. Stand and Deliver time boys and girls.

OK. Let's forget about your inexcusable conduct towards Miers and deal. The LIBERALS are LAUGHING at you. They cannot believe you are all THIS stupid. They are watching, in stunned disbelief, as YOU do THEIR job in destroying the 1st Republican Majority in 50 years. All you "Conservatives" are all telling us "You can't trust Bush" and "We can win this fight". Well guess what. We have NO proof we can trust you. WHERE is YOUR paper trail?

NONE of you were able to convince the Senate to overturn even 1 Filibuster or get a single piece of legislation passed. So you want us to spit on Bush who HAS a 100% rating on Judicial Appointments and embrace your HOPES that you can win this Judicial fight in the weak kneed Senate? Sorry. NEED to see some proof to validate your claims. Need to see a PAPER TRAIL.

'That's not OUR job' I can hear you all scream. By stabbing Bush in the back, YOU MADE it YOURS.

Here is the deal. Let's have a Contract for Justice. YOU big talking people who are all pissed about Miers go out and get 51 Senators to put in writing, their names on a contract with the Conservative Base. They, the Senators, promise they will: Vote for the "nuclear options" to get rid of this Judicial Filibuster nonsense and provide a list of names of Conservative Establishment Judges all of the 51 Senators on the Contract WILL vote to confirm.

You are all screaming "Trust us we can win" WHAT? You "Conservative" pundits haven't managed to deliver anything. Bush is out every day busting his hump while you all sit on your butts and whine about Bush. You watch a Senate repeatedly betray the Conservative base and SAY NOTHING. You all cannot even get action on Soc Security Reform! THE LARGEST single Govt entitlement is ON THE table and you all are too busy shooting at your own side to get ANY action. So put up or shut up "Conservative pundits". You all claim we should "trust us, we can win this fight".

Sorry SEE NO PAPER TRAIL to suggest we have ANY reason to trust your pronouncements. Put up time. Either GET something done or GET OFF OUR SIDE. See I am going to let you in on the dirty secret. YOU did NOT create US. WE, the little Red State peons, CREATED YOU. WE are the people who buy your books, watch your shows, go to your events, support your causes. YOU exist because WE want you too. However, since the days of Reagan you all have been a bunch of primping geeks whining about everything. 1st time in 50 YEARS we have ALL of it and you all spend your time bitching because life isn't perfect. So Hannity, Levin, Lowry, Buchannan, Kristol, Fund, Ingraham, Coulter, Malkin et al. Throw down. Let's see YOUR paper trail.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cutoffyournose; fillibuster; koolaid; media; meirs; pointlessvanity; pundits
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1 posted on 10/10/2005 2:18:24 PM PDT by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie
Another vanity.

So, what else is new?

2 posted on 10/10/2005 2:20:16 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yay, MNJohnnie. Give it to 'em!


3 posted on 10/10/2005 2:23:05 PM PDT by RoadTest (We need our borders, language and culture secured.)
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To: MNJohnnie

You make some excellent points. I'm still waiting for some proof that the Republicans in the Senate have the guts to win a fight, starting with Arlene Spectre, who's the biggest RINO wuss ever, right on through to McCain, who I wouldn't trust as far as I can see him.


4 posted on 10/10/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: A Jovial Cad

At least he doesn't have imaginary 'sources.' That is an improvement.


5 posted on 10/10/2005 2:24:54 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: MNJohnnie

Tell US what you REALLY think ...


6 posted on 10/10/2005 2:25:32 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: MNJohnnie
Great! Popcorn for everyone!


7 posted on 10/10/2005 2:26:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Revolting cat!

Still think he should of appointed you


8 posted on 10/10/2005 2:28:54 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: MNJohnnie

The gang that can't shoot straight.
It's too hot for 'em to remain in the sun but much easier to blast from dark shadows, which is exactly where these blasters will wind up again.
Deserved? You bet.


9 posted on 10/10/2005 2:29:09 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: MNJohnnie
Republicans got Roberts through. What makes you think it cannot be done again? There are conservative candidates that could make it through the process, but we get feed a bunch of coward talk about how it would be impossible to get anyone through the senate, so we just need to accept a non-conservative candidate. I don't buy it. I don't need to get senators to sign a contract. I just vote them out of office if they don't get the job done. That is my contract.

Bush just did not want the hassle of pushing through a conservative and he wanted to throw a bone to one of his staff (he has a history of that--rewarding loyalty with perks). That is what happened. We expect and deserve better, and I don't give a rat's behind whether the liberals are laughing or not. If I based what I do on how the liberals respond to me I would not be a very good conservative.
10 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:25 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: MNJohnnie

LOL. The pundit exist only to sell articles and make a buck. They can and do change positions as much as needed to attract a readership.


11 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:28 PM PDT by KingKongCobra (Trying to save the "Donner Party" from themselves.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good for you! And, thanks for not degrading anyone in the process of making a very good point!


12 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:42 PM PDT by Ruth C (learn to analyze rationally and extrapolate consequences ... you might become a conservative)
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To: A Jovial Cad
So, what else is new?

Where is your Vanity? Or, are you waiting for the Pundits to say something so you can post your putrid little mewlings after it.

13 posted on 10/10/2005 2:31:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: MNJohnnie
Conservatives are not destroying the Republican majority. It's doing that to itself by not being conservative. The key thing to understand here is that conservatives don't vote for Republicans simply because they like elephants better than donkeys on the logo. It doesn't matter that David Souter was nominated by a Republican president. What matters is that he judges cases like a liberal. Similarly, it doesn't really matter if the Senate or House or Presidency is Republican if it doesn't change anything or actually makes things worse. And if conservatives get the feeling that it's better in the long run to tear it all down and build it back up than to try to fix what's there, they'll tear it down and, frankly, that makes perfect sense. I'm not personally convinced yet that tearing it all down will make things better and not have a huge cost, but I finding it much easier to understand those conservatives who feel differently.
14 posted on 10/10/2005 2:32:22 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: MNJohnnie
Buck up, man! Wipe that runny nose, stop your sniveling, and gain control of your emotions. And do something to quiet those knocking knees.

You're way too frightened of the liberals, way too concerned for your reputation with them.

Bush is settling for Miers out of craven weakness. There is no excuse for it. There are at least three world-class nominees that could get confirmed if Bush will stand as firm for the rightness in that cause as he does standing for the rightness on the cause of the War on Terror.

That Bush (and you) would fear Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham more than he (or you) fears bin Laden and Zarqawi is shameful.

15 posted on 10/10/2005 2:32:42 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: MNJohnnie
First, I am no pundit.
Second I am a conservative voter.
I voted for Bush, mainly to get KNOWN Conservative Justices on the Supream Court.

I am willing to forgive Roberts,
But I didn't elect GW Bush to put his personal lawyer on the court. A lawyer that doesn't have a track record, and a lawyer that Gets High reviews from Democrats.

Sorry but anyone smelling like a rose with Harry Reid isn't someone I want on the Court. If Turbin Durbin comes out in support of her, that would just ice the cake so to speak.

Bush was elected by a majority of conservatives, he supposed to represent us, not himself in regards to judicial nominations or any other matter.

WE elected him to do a job, that being to rescue the courts from the liberals for one, and 2) especially after the democrats declined to work with him the first time, to put the SCREWS to said Democrats. The time for Mr Niceguy Ended with election 2004. Its time to grow a pair, and put the democrats in their proper place, and nominating miers does nothing to further that end.
16 posted on 10/10/2005 2:33:10 PM PDT by viper592
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To: MNJohnnie
MN. Unlike you, this conservative does not counsel the one abused to solve the abuse. Unlike you, I don't blame the victim. It ain't the fault of the faithful conservative. The faithful conservative has done his/her part. The faithful conservative has been patient and loyal. But, the faithful conservative recognizes limits

Campaign Finance Reform "I will never hit you again."

Education Reform Written by Teddy Kennedy"I will never hit you again."

Biggest Increase in Domestic Spending since LBJ "I will never hit you again."

No Immigration Reform "I will never hit you again."

Meiers Nomination "I will never hit you again."

And like some mad marriage counselor you advise the wife to shut-up, count her blessings and achieve perfection or else she will get more of what she deserves. Why, don't you know, the ladies at the Country Club are laughing at her what with all the talk about her leaving Hubby George and complaining about the abuse in public. Such things ought be kept quiet.

17 posted on 10/10/2005 2:34:58 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: MNJohnnie
These pundits can't count to 50. That's the ONLY issue here. We don't have 50 Senators that will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to confirm the President's nominees. Some of the President's Circuit Court nominees STILL haven't received an up-or-down vote.

If Coulter and some of the other alleged "experts" had an ounce of political sophistication, they would be blasting the REAL people responsible for this mess -- the stinking Dirty 'Rats who abused the filibuster and those Republican Senators who let them get away with it instead of nuking those 'Rats back to the Stone Age! Instead, they just parrot the Loony Left -- "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!"

I have nothing but contempt for those pundits who are stabbing our President in the back while he's under fire from the Left. They need to go sit in a box with Michael Moore and leave the real fighting to those who won't quit under fire. When Miers votes with Thomas and Scalia and Roberts and (I HOPE) JUSTICE JEFF SESSIONS, these people will be revealed for who they are -- completely irrelevent bloviators.

18 posted on 10/10/2005 2:37:05 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (They misunderestimated Roberts; now they are misunderestimating Miers)
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To: MNJohnnie

We also trusted Bush to secure our borders and fix social security, and to reform welfare and the tax code. Sorry, he's caved on all of those. What makes you think he wouldn't cave on de-liberalizing our Supreme Court.

I agree with other posters here that Bush is just too wimpy with our Republican majority that we voters fought hard to give him. Tell Bush to grow a pair, not us.


19 posted on 10/10/2005 2:39:44 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Liberal Slogan: "News maganizes don't kill people, Muslims do." - Ann Coulter)
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To: JCEccles
There are at least three world-class nominees that could get confirmed

The President still has lower court nominees that can't get a vote. If the Senate won't act on those nominees, which really aren't important (compared to a SCOTUS nominee), what makes you think that a bomb-throwing radical (I mean that as a compliment) like Janice Rogers Borwn would get a vote for SCOTUS? It wouldn't happen; not with the current lineup in the Senate. I hate it, but that's reality.

20 posted on 10/10/2005 2:40:13 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (They misunderestimated Roberts; now they are misunderestimating Miers)
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To: bornacatholic

EXCELLENT post Born! My sentiments exactly.


21 posted on 10/10/2005 2:41:17 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Liberal Slogan: "News maganizes don't kill people, Muslims do." - Ann Coulter)
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To: MNJohnnie

Wow, I know exactly how you feel. Thanks for saying what needs to be said.


22 posted on 10/10/2005 2:44:17 PM PDT by SoCar
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To: wvobiwan
I agree with other posters here that Bush is just too wimpy with our Republican majority that we voters fought hard to give him.

So you think it's BUSH'S FAULT that the Senate won't give his nominees an up-or-down vote? Talk about blaming the victim!!

I'd like the Bashers to explain exactly what the President is supposed to do to bring Senators like McCain and Snowe and Collins and Chafee and Voinovich and Hagel and DeWine and Specter and Warner into line. They'll all be around long after he's gone. They failed, not him.

23 posted on 10/10/2005 2:44:23 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (They misunderestimated Roberts; now they are misunderestimating Miers)
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To: You Dirty Rats
"These pundits can't count to 50. That's the ONLY issue here. We don't have 50 Senators that will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to confirm the President's nominees."

WE don't need 50 senators that will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to confirm the president's nominees. I am not asking any senator to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to do anything. We have enough senators to get a good conservative through the senate. If we don't, then we need to expose them now and get them out of the senate. What Bush is doing is just exacerbating the situation and giving RINOs even more power.
24 posted on 10/10/2005 2:44:35 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: You Dirty Rats
"The President still has lower court nominees that can't get a vote. If the Senate won't act on those nominees, which really aren't important (compared to a SCOTUS nominee), what makes you think that a bomb-throwing radical (I mean that as a compliment) like Janice Rogers Borwn would get a vote for SCOTUS?"

The president cannot get lower court nominees through because they are lower court nominees and nobody really cares about them (i.e., the public does not even know about them). That would not be the case with a SC nominee. Bush should not nominate a bomb-throwing radical. We have a lot of non-bomb throwing candidates that he could nominate (more like Roberts).
25 posted on 10/10/2005 2:49:51 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: bornacatholic
And like some mad marriage counselor you advise the wife to shut-up, count her blessings and achieve perfection or else she will get more of what she deserves. Why, don't you know, the ladies at the Country Club are laughing at her what with all the talk about her leaving Hubby George and complaining about the abuse in public. Such things ought be kept quiet.

And any marriage counselor will tell you that every dysfunctional relationship has two sides to it. The hubby would say that his wife is expecting him to be a superman; to deal with a group of allies that often side with the opposition.

It is a myth that a president can jam anything down Congress' throat.

This whining about Education Reform and Campaign Finance Reform (which actually worked in Bush's favor) is the most overblown nonsense I've ever seen.

Your dogmatism in politics will guarantee that you will be always be disappointed. Politics is the art of the possible; this Harriett Miers nomination is indicative of that.

26 posted on 10/10/2005 2:51:53 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
They'll all be around long after he's gone. They failed, not him.

You're really close.  It is actually the voters in each state that are the failures.  Your enemy is really the voter at the ballot box for re-electing these treasonous dems and RINO senators.  We get the government we deserve.
27 posted on 10/10/2005 2:55:59 PM PDT by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the North as an example of a failed welfare state.)
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To: sinkspur
"Politics is the art of the possible; this Harriett Miers nomination is indicative of that."

I just don't buy that this is the only type of candidate that the Republicans can get through the senate. I also think that Bush wanted to throw a perk to a loyal friend and staff member, and that is one of the principal reasons that he picked her. There are other conservative candidates like Roberts that could have been pushed through the senate.
28 posted on 10/10/2005 2:57:01 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: sinkspur
It is a myth that a president can jam anything down Congress' throat.

Perhaps, but you have to admit Reagan was good at the intimidation factor.  Few in the senate were willing to take him on because of his immense popularity.

29 posted on 10/10/2005 3:01:26 PM PDT by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the North as an example of a failed welfare state.)
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To: MNJohnnie

If the Democrats are laughing, it is nervous laughter. They don't want to see the Republican party grow a spine.

This fight in the Republican Party hurts Democrats badly because Democrats and their media usually get to define conservatism and here you have a fight that they are not involved in.

The moderates will watch and pick a side and they won't be siding with Democrats. It makes the President appear to be moderate and it makes the conservatives appear to be principled...the Democrats are way off to the left picking their noses.

The longer this drags on, the longer Democrats are non players on the battlefield, the worse it will hurt the Democrats.


30 posted on 10/10/2005 3:05:51 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: quantim
Perhaps, but you have to admit Reagan was good at the intimidation factor. Few in the senate were willing to take him on because of his immense popularity.

Yeah. I guess that's why the Democrats snookered Reagan into raising taxes a year after he cut them.

They were actually afraid of Reagan.

31 posted on 10/10/2005 3:07:45 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Hendrix
"We have enough senators to get a good conservative through the senate. If we don't, then we need to expose them now and get them out of the senate. What Bush is doing is just exacerbating the situation and giving RINOs even more power."

NO, Bush is doing what is needed to get a Conservative on the Supreme Court.....and then another one, and then, probably another one. Get over it. Most of the Republican's in the Senate are the WEENIES, and that's REALITY. And, the President has to do with what he has....he CANNOT get rid of them. They are ALREADY exposed.....sheesh.

32 posted on 10/10/2005 3:14:22 PM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Exactly so. I have a wait and see attitude. The nomination and confirmation, IMHO, is a done deal. No sense in arguing too much about it. However--fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I suspect there will be some surpises in store for Republicans if Bush has screwed the pooch with a Souter. But that will not happen till 2006 at the earliest.
33 posted on 10/10/2005 3:15:53 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: MNJohnnie
So Hannity, Levin, Lowry, Buchannan, Kristol, Fund, Ingraham, Coulter, Malkin et al. Throw down. Let's see YOUR paper trail.

What kind of paper trail could possibly prove that Miers is a blank slate and a gamble?

34 posted on 10/10/2005 3:19:26 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I like the idea of a "Contract for Justice." I wonder how many GOP senators would actually sign it, though.


35 posted on 10/10/2005 3:22:16 PM PDT by My2Cents (The political battles of our day are battles over morality, between the haves and the have nots.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Brilliant, put me on your ping list!! Not to mention Immigration when GWB put up a starting point they shot it down so fast he had to withdraw it. Now all you hear is how he (they killed it) won't address Immigration. You nailed the Meirs issue and the self appointed Conservative gods!!

Pray for W and Harriet Miers

36 posted on 10/10/2005 3:28:01 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: Hendrix
Roberts??!!! Who are you kidding. These same pubdits were blasting him until he smoked the hearings. Go read Coulters slam when he was nominated. You dare to bring up Roberts???

Pray for W and Harriet Miers

37 posted on 10/10/2005 3:30:06 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: MNJohnnie

Gee, you should see if the Bush Adminsistration will pay you for posting this stuff.


38 posted on 10/10/2005 3:47:57 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Tench_Coxe
I suspect there will be some surpises in store for Republicans if Bush has screwed the pooch with a Souter. But that will not happen till 2006 at the earliest.

The only surprise will be for the voters if Dems get control of the senate and congress again. We will be the ones to suffer. If you think the Dems will do better on appointments to the courts go ahead and vote third party.

39 posted on 10/10/2005 3:51:44 PM PDT by calex59
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To: MNJohnnie

Who the heck is this guy?


40 posted on 10/10/2005 3:56:01 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (qualified to serve on the United States Supreme Court)
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To: Question_Assumptions

If I win the lottery I'm starting the Conservative Party.


41 posted on 10/10/2005 3:57:02 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: MNJohnnie
Another Presidential Infallability post.

When President Bush and the RNC start acting like Conservatives the Conservative Base will applaud and support their re-election. They are currently/finally reaping what they have sown over the past 5 years: out-of-control spending, no border/immigration enforcement, a PC undeclared war on a nebulous concept/emotion called "terror," etc..

My loyalties are to America and those in uniform who protect her, not to self-serving sell-outs and/or their political parties/cronies in D.C.

42 posted on 10/10/2005 4:07:56 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: MNJohnnie

YOU SAID IT!

Best FR post EVER!


43 posted on 10/10/2005 4:17:38 PM PDT by bc4gwb (http://bamapachyderm..com)
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To: MNJohnnie

Well said!!

DustyMoment is proud of you.


44 posted on 10/10/2005 4:17:52 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
A great challenge! You are correct! These "talking heads" only exist because people who believe in conservative ideas about government watch and listen to their shows, read their books, and go to meetings where they are paid high dollars for speaking.

With all their degrees from prestigious schools, they haven't written a law, eliminated a regulation, taken courageous actions against terrorists, or used any law degrees among them to further the cause of liberty by writing serious constitutional studies (a credible "paper trail"). Some have simply used whatever writing talent they have for making bucks from flamboyant headline-grabbing "exposes" of Democrats.

As a matter of fact, they are not even willing to abide by and support the Constitution's own process for selecting a Supreme Court justice. If so, they would acknowledge that it is the President's and the Senate's prerogative and that Federalist 76 explains why the wise Framers of our Constitution chose to do it that way, instead of making it the circus they are now attempting to create.

45 posted on 10/10/2005 4:28:05 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: MNJohnnie
Good post. I appreciate it because it reflects the sentiments of this household.

These whiners, by their conduct and complaints, play into the Liberal theory that Bush is an idiot, arrogant, clueless, etc. They've basically validated the Lib complaints. I say, let's see what the facts are first, not what they believe to be the "facts". They sound a great deal like MOVEON.ORG--let's rant before we have the facts.

They've shown that the Lib/Conservative mindset is really just a different side of the same coin.

Shame on them.
46 posted on 10/10/2005 5:04:53 PM PDT by ElderEdda
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To: MNJohnnie

bump


47 posted on 10/10/2005 5:10:45 PM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: Hendrix

"Republicans got Roberts through. What makes you think it cannot be done again?"

Because Roberts was a throwaway. If Rheinquist doesn't die, chances are Roberts doesn't get in without a fight.

The writer is correct here. Put up or shut up.


48 posted on 10/10/2005 5:33:44 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: MNJohnnie
He's not wrong. A lot of conservatives immediately jumped on Roberts before anyone had heard word one about him or his viewpoints and background. Fortunately, the storm passed quickly and clearer heads prevailed.

Once again, with this nomination, it was only minutes before the torrent of squeals became horrendous, before anything was even known about the nominee. Unfortunately this time around those who feel they didn't get "their way" kept the wave going and turned the whole thing into a feeding frenzy with no attention being paid to anything other than their agenda.

Take a breath and chill. How about gathering all of the information before coming out with an opinion for or against. It might not be a bad thing to have someone on the court who can weigh an issue against the constitution and who has a fairly normal background. Remember, the people doing all of the screaming about how unqualified she is are other lawyers who have a largely academic/specialized set of experiences in the law. They are the ones saying that she "just does not have the set of experiences needed to make these decisions". They speak from their elite background and experiences and that does not make them right nor does it make them experts on what type of experience is needed. Hell, there is not even a requirement in the constitution for a supreme court justice to be a lawyer.

49 posted on 10/10/2005 8:14:16 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Hendrix
Do you think any of us , unless we are from Maine could get rid of Snow or Collins? Do you think we can get rid of McCain? Do you think we can get rid of the Oho Senators? [They are about to do that themselves].

There are not very many strong conservative Senators. Very few Strong conservative Representatives.

They passed the spending bills, this is where Bush failed. He threatened to veto but didn't.

He has never changed on immigration, he has talked about some kind of recognizing them in several different plans.
He has never, to my knowledge, promised to deport them or anything like that.

Am I wrong?
50 posted on 10/10/2005 9:06:59 PM PDT by frannie (Be not afraid of tomorrow - God is already there!)
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