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Hurricane-Felled Timber Worth Billions (agricultural losses top $3 billion; timber hardest hit)
Fox 23 ^ | 10/10/05

Posted on 10/10/2005 3:34:45 PM PDT by Libloather

Hurricane-Felled Timber Worth Billions

United Press International

U.S. timber companies are scrambling to harvest tons of timber felled by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

The companies are moving as quickly as possible to recover the millions of trees before they rot, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

Industry analysts estimate that more than 20 billion board feet are down, enough to build 1 million houses.

Timber down in Louisiana is worth $900 million; in Mississippi, the felled timber is worth $2.4 billion, experts estimate.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 3; agricultural; billion; billions; felled; hardest; hit; hurricane; katrina; ll; losses; timber; top; worth
Katrina agricultural losses top $3 billion; timber hardest hit

JACKSON, Miss. Hurricane Katrina's toll on agriculture now tops three (b) billion dollars.

The storm destroyed hundreds of chicken houses and flattened cotton fields in southern Mississippi but did the most damage to the timber industry. Pecan and Christmas tree growers also took a big hit.

Ag losses are estimated at more than two (b) billion dollars in Mississippi and one (b) billion in Louisiana. Alabama was less severely affected and has not yet compiled figures.

One official says Louisiana's damage estimate is expected to grow because early numbers did not include damage to fences, equipment, buildings, pastureland and other infrastructure losses.

More than ten-thousand cattle in Louisiana are dead or missing.

1 posted on 10/10/2005 3:34:48 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

How do you find missing cattle? Do you put their pictures on milk cartons?


2 posted on 10/10/2005 3:36:45 PM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Libloather

Contrast this with the timber felled by Mount St. Helens. There the enviros would not let the felled timber be harvested so they let it rot in place instead.


3 posted on 10/10/2005 3:38:36 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Libloather
Where are all the environmentalist protesters like we have in the Northwest USA when there is a big fire with acres of salvageable timber. No fair. I want to see a protestor named "polecat" climb a pile of timber and chain his filthy body to it.
4 posted on 10/10/2005 3:41:14 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Libloather

Industry analysts estimate that more than 20 billion board feet are down, enough to build 1 million houses.
Timber down in Louisiana is worth $900 million; in Mississippi, the felled timber is worth $2.4 billion, experts estimate

enough to build 1 million houses

----Use it then. Save taxpayers a little money so that we can take care of our families instead of every one elses.


5 posted on 10/10/2005 3:59:33 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (Just my opinion.Go easy on me........)
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To: WasDougsLamb
Use it then. Save taxpayers a little money so that we can take care of our families instead of every one elses.

It can and will be used but it still isn't free or even inexpensive. The wood has to be harvested at the same cost or more than if it were still upright. Then it has to be transported to saw mills to be cut, kiln dried, planed, sawed and treated before it's ready for commercial use.

6 posted on 10/10/2005 4:09:01 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Libloather

This can't be true. There are no forests left. They've been paved over, cut and raped by big business for profit. I've got to check my whacko enviornmental lietrature on this. They must have missed something or have been lying all along?


7 posted on 10/10/2005 4:16:26 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Libloather

Shouldn't be a complete loss.

The board foot that can't be salvaged can go into particle board.


8 posted on 10/10/2005 4:23:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Nagin Cried, People died.)
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To: Libloather

Were they women and children trees?


9 posted on 10/10/2005 4:31:35 PM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: JimSEA

In the south, most of the timberlands are privately owned.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 4:33:52 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: FreedomCalls
Consider the thousands of acres burned in California last year.

Then consider that Daschle passed legislation that allowed timber to be cut in his state and precluded the enviro-wackos from suing.

11 posted on 10/10/2005 4:34:34 PM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: Ben Ficklin
In the south, most of the timberlands are privately owned.

Yep, by big paper/lumber companies...


12 posted on 10/10/2005 4:40:45 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Libloather

How many spotted owls lot their homes?


13 posted on 10/10/2005 4:44:45 PM PDT by moonman
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To: Libloather

I imagine it will cost a lot more to gather and process, due to the labor shortage. This is not "day labor" work. Due to work comp rates, you can't hire guys off the street. If you did, the injury rates would be through the roof.


14 posted on 10/10/2005 5:05:57 PM PDT by OkieDokie1000
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To: Graybeard58
It can and will be used but it still isn't free or even inexpensive. The wood has to be harvested at the same cost or more than if it were still upright. Then it has to be transported to saw mills to be cut, kiln dried, planed, sawed and treated before it's ready for commercial use.



I realize that but it will still be cheaper than a bunch of out of state contractors inflated prices. All I am hearing is how money is being wasted and prices inflated. This would be money saved. No where in my post does it say I thought it was free. Read my post #5
15 posted on 10/10/2005 5:16:59 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (Just my opinion.Go easy on me........)
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To: WasDougsLamb

Nowhere in MY post did I say that you said it was "free" Reread my reply # 6.


16 posted on 10/10/2005 5:28:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Lets just agree to disagree ok. I was posting to Libloather on the article anyway. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Have a great day.


17 posted on 10/10/2005 5:35:15 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (Just my opinion.Go easy on me........)
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To: Libloather

And all this lumber will hit the yards in a couple of weeks and we'll be paying only two bucks for 2 x 6s, right?


18 posted on 10/10/2005 5:36:49 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: WasDougsLamb
I realize that but it will still be cheaper than a bunch of out of state contractors inflated prices.

Out of state or in state they will buy from the cheapest source or the most convenient.

On rethinking it would seem that the local timber might be more expensive, having to harvest the trees where nature felled them, since it can't be harvested in as orderly manner as planned cutting.

19 posted on 10/10/2005 5:37:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Libloather

"More than ten-thousand cattle in Louisiana are dead or missing."

I read on a message board last month about some guys fishing off the coast of Texas that found a dead cow floating 30 miles out.


20 posted on 10/10/2005 5:38:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("There are millions of mediocre Americans, and they, too, deserve to be represented in the USSC. -RH)
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To: WasDougsLamb
I was posting to Libloather on the article anyway

It's an open forum.

You have a great day too.

21 posted on 10/10/2005 5:38:40 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Sounds great to me.


22 posted on 10/10/2005 5:40:51 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (Just my opinion.Go easy on me........)
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To: JimSEA

[[Where are all the environmentalist protesters like we have in the Northwest USA when there is a big fire with acres of salvageable timber. No fair. I want to see a protestor named "polecat" climb a pile of timber and chain his filthy body to it.]]

Surely you jest ;) Those trees are in stomp jumpin territory (redneck for loggers). The log trucks are full and running. They have hit the mother lode.

My cousin had a woody few acres and she has maybe 5 trees still standing. My trees did fine, but the neighbors trees took out my fence and fell in my yard. They missed the house so I'm not complaining.

An oak fell on my uncle's house and the root base was taller than the house. I'm talking huge old oaks and pines down everywhere you look. My once shady and woodsy town is too bright and sunny now. It was bad here. There's hardly any trees left.


23 posted on 10/10/2005 7:28:01 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: TASMANIANRED
The board foot that can't be salvaged can go into particle board.

Some company also contracted to salvage timber for $1 million..
They are "pelletizing" it for use in home furnaces and in electrical generation facilities..(coal fired)
It seems that mixing pelletized wood with coal creates a hotter, cleaner burning mixture..
This results in lower costs, less pollution, and more energy for the dollar..

24 posted on 10/10/2005 7:36:11 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

There is no reason to let any of it go to waste.


25 posted on 10/10/2005 7:37:16 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Nagin Cried, People died.)
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To: sittnick

Nope. On packages of meat.


26 posted on 10/11/2005 1:25:09 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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To: JimSEA
I want to see a protestor named "polecat" climb a pile of timber and chain his filthy body to it.

In the South....someone would throw a match on the pile... just to make it worth his while. :)

27 posted on 10/11/2005 2:15:56 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: sergeantdave

My prediction: we will start to see made-in-China prefab house components.


28 posted on 10/11/2005 2:20:35 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: sittnick
"How do you find missing cattle? Do you put their pictures on milk cartons?"

Cereal boxes!

29 posted on 10/11/2005 2:31:39 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: sergeantdave
From another post SOLAR WARMING UPDATE: Two Stories on the Environment


30 posted on 10/11/2005 2:33:41 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die)
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To: Libloather
Does this mean the price of southern yellow pine will be coming down...?

Not likely. Those GP people are efficient as all get out and will clear the land, PT the surplus and replant the landscape with out skipping a beat. In the last year the yellow pine I have worked with is the densest wood I have ever handled. We have 2"X12"X16' stock that weigh about 200lbs each. We call them "nutpoppers".
31 posted on 10/11/2005 2:57:19 AM PDT by mmercier (Beneath the onrush of deathless gods)
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To: FreedomCalls

"Contrast this with the timber felled by Mount St. Helens. There the enviros would not let the felled timber be harvested so they let it rot in place instead."

Correction: I was working as a timber faller in No. CA at the time. ST Helens went off three weeks before my wedding day or I would have joined my fellow cutters that were called to go up to WA state and cut downed timber.

The ash took a terrible toil on the saws and the men. Chains were thrown away after a few minutes work. The logs were filled with mud and rocks. All trees that could be harvested were taken. Most were hauled out by Helicopter crews due to the lack of logging roads.


32 posted on 10/11/2005 3:15:21 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: FreedomCalls

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1005414/posts


33 posted on 10/11/2005 3:30:26 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: FreedomCalls

Quote from previous link to article.......

"The largest Pacific Northwest salvage effort of the past quarter-century occurred after the eruption of Mount St. Helens, when loggers over a period of years cut more than 1 billion board feet of timber affected by the 1980 blast."


34 posted on 10/11/2005 3:33:23 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: pageonetoo
You left out a big one:



35 posted on 10/11/2005 3:34:28 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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