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Morris: McCain, Giuliani Can't Win GOP Nomination
NewsMax.com ^ | Oct. 10, 2005 | NewsMax.com

Posted on 10/10/2005 6:36:25 PM PDT by kddid

In a scene sure to send chills down the spines of Republicans everywhere, Dick Morris and Eileen McGann begin their new book, "Condi vs. Hillary: the Next Great Presidential Race," with the former first lady taking the presidential oath of office on January 20, 2009.

"By her side, smiling broadly and holding the family Bible will be her chief strategist, husband and co-president, William Jefferson Clinton," they note, lest anyone forget the full implications of such a scene.

But like Dickens' "Christmas Carol," the Morris-McGann tome warns of a dark future that might yet be avoided - if Republicans realize in time that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is America's last best hope to avoid a third Clinton administration.

Debuting the book Monday on Sean Hannity's ABC Radio show, Morris said polls showing that either Rudy Giuliani or John McCain could defeat Mrs. Clinton in 2008 are misleading.

Certainly Giuliani could defeat Hillary in the general election, but he's "way too left" on social issues to prevail in GOP primaries.

McCain has a similar primary problem, as someone who polls show defeating Clinton handily in a national race - but who's such a maverick that "Republicans just don't like him," Morris said.

Condeleezza Rice, said Morris, is the one GOP candidate who could lock up the primaries and counter Mrs. Clinton's built in advantage with key demographic groups like blacks and women.

Citing the predictions of prominent African-Americans like former Congressman Mike Espy and Amsterdam News publisher Jamal Watson, Morris said that a Rice presidential bid would garner 50 percent of the black vote.

That kind of erosion would cripple the presidential chances of any Democratic candidate, who will need 90 percent of the black vote just to break even.

Morris argues that Condi would also close the gap with another critical Democratic demographic - white women, who are otherwise expected to vote for Hillary in droves. What about Hillary's highly touted credentials as one of the hundred smartest lawyers in the country - not to mention her status as the first, first lady to win high elective office?

Clinton's accomplishments start to fade when compared to Dr. Rice's, noted Morris. He says Condi didn't depend on her husband's coattails to make her way up the career ladder.

"Hillary gets hired by the Rose Law firm the year her husband becomes Arkansas attorney general," he told Hannity. "She makes partner the year her husband becomes governor. She becomes first lady when her husband becomes president."

"Throughout Hillary's entire career, it's her husband leading the way," Morris noted. "With Condi Rice, it's Condi leading the way."

Morris touted Rice's credentials as a self-made woman, first as provost of Stanford University and then as a top foreign policy advisor in both the Bush 41 and 43 administrations.

"When you look at these two women," he said, "you see that this is a woman who made it on her own."

Morris dismisses Rice's current protestations that she's not interested in a White House run, saying, "I'm absolutely certain she'll be president."

In fact, it would look untoward for Rice to be seen openly coveting the ultimate promotion with so much already on her plate. A Condi candidacy, as Morris envisions it, would be a grass roots affair, with hundreds of Rice for President clubs springing up around the country as Americans realize her presidential potential - and weigh the frightening alternative.

Morris paints an ominous picture if Rice sits out 2008 with a chapter titled, "President Hillary: How it Can Happen." George Bush was reelected, he notes, largely because he carried the vote among white females who saw him as a bulwark of strength and security in the post-9/11 world. But Hillary, he said, would be certain to flip the gender equation, noting that Clinton won her first Senate race with a 22 percent margin among women - in a twelve point overall landslide. "The person who I think should stop and could stop Hillary Clinton is Condoleezza Rice," said Morris.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; bookreview; condivshillary; dickmorris; giuliani2008; gopprimary; mccain2008
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Morris knows all. Morris sees all. Morris tells all. He has made so many predictions here that he will be correct on a least one of them. Hillary becoming President if Condi doesn't run is totally wrong. Hillary Clinton will never be the President of the United States.
1 posted on 10/10/2005 6:36:26 PM PDT by kddid
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To: kddid

Agree, Hillary Clinton will never be the President of the United States.


2 posted on 10/10/2005 6:38:39 PM PDT by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: kddid

I'm on board!


3 posted on 10/10/2005 6:39:24 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: kddid

You've got Morris nailed down. Even a clock that's stopped shows the correct time twice a day.


5 posted on 10/10/2005 6:40:18 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: kddid

I like the tiket -- Rice-N-Rudi, The All-American team that can't be Beat!


6 posted on 10/10/2005 6:40:43 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kddid

Sure hope not.

I think Morris really knows his stuff, but he is a little "Clinton paranoid." Although, he worked closely with them for many years, so who could blame him?

He doesn't here mention other Republican candidates, like George Allen.


7 posted on 10/10/2005 6:41:26 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: petercooper

I PRAY THAT YOU ARE RIGHT! My fear: clintons cheat.


8 posted on 10/10/2005 6:41:29 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: kddid

Dick Morrris as a child.....

9 posted on 10/10/2005 6:41:42 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: kddid

don't be too optimisitic. she can win. especially when I see people here saying Mike Pence or some other total unknown should be the nominee.

If Rudy and McCain don't win it - its got to be Allen. I don't see Condi at the top of the ticket.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 6:42:02 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: pcottraux

Morris hates hillary; but he is a liberal and does not want the conservatives to win. He's a plant.


11 posted on 10/10/2005 6:42:27 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: pcottraux

I'm starting to think that George Allen might be the best candidate.


12 posted on 10/10/2005 6:42:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: kddid

As far as Condi goes, I like her fine, but I'm a little worried she would be just a retread of what we've seen with Bush. No border enforcement, high government spending, record deficits, etc.


13 posted on 10/10/2005 6:43:32 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: kddid
Morris said polls showing that either Rudy Giuliani or John McCain could defeat Mrs. Clinton in 2008 are misleading.

Someone slap me - I actually agree with the toe sucker on something.

14 posted on 10/10/2005 6:43:45 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 6:44:08 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: kddid

16 posted on 10/10/2005 6:44:40 PM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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To: kddid
Certainly Giuliani could defeat Hillary in the general election, but he's "way too left" on social issues to prevail in GOP primaries.

A bare assertion does not an argument make, much less a persuasive one.

17 posted on 10/10/2005 6:44:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: kddid

Hopefully the candidate would be a good, solid, southern conservative whose name hasn't yet hit the front pages.

As for Condi, I would be willing to support her if (and it's a big if) she comes out with a strong statement declaring that she has thought matters over and is running as a pro-lifer. Without that, she would risk losing a lot of religious and social conservative votes, because earlier she indicated that she supported abortion.

She's an honest woman. If she says she has changed her views, I'm willing to listen. After all, why not? Dozens of Democrat candidates have dumped their morals over the side and switched to the pro-abortion side from earlier pro-life views in order to run for office.


18 posted on 10/10/2005 6:45:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kddid

Boy, Morris really wants to be a puppet master, doesn't he? Now if Condi does run, he can sit back and say *he* was the one who told her she had to do it.


19 posted on 10/10/2005 6:45:09 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: bannie

I'm not sure what a lot of his personal beliefs are, but I don't think he's a plant. He's far too pro-American.


20 posted on 10/10/2005 6:45:16 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Rudy at the top of the ticket would result in NY, NJ and PA going republican. which republican states would Hillary win to make up for losing that Democratic block?


21 posted on 10/10/2005 6:47:04 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: isthisnickcool

LOL!!


22 posted on 10/10/2005 6:47:58 PM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: kddid

Well, shave my pegleg and call me Ishmael. Thar he blows again, that pesky Dickie Mo. Another whale of a tale with a baiting the audience smell.


23 posted on 10/10/2005 6:48:45 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Behold the Riderless Pony. Bringing doom and destruction on a smaller scale.)
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To: SandRat

I have to agree. Condi for Prez and Rudy for VP is unbeatable. The trick is grooming Condi over the next three years so she has "gravitas".


24 posted on 10/10/2005 6:49:57 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: kddid
Dick Morris is stupid. Condi is NOT running. And anyone who runs against Hillary will only have to tie Clinton/Lewinsky/impeachment around her neck like a millstone. By 2008 America will be sick of Clinton. Both of them. Period.
25 posted on 10/10/2005 6:50:05 PM PDT by manwiththehands ( "France and chicken, somehow it just goes together.")
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To: Windcatcher

Rice-N-Rudi, The All-American team that can't be Beat!

Should be the slogan that they use too!


26 posted on 10/10/2005 6:52:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kddid
Morris said that a Rice presidential bid would garner 50 percent of the black vote.

This is where Morris goes off the deep end.

27 posted on 10/10/2005 6:52:55 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: petercooper

Agree, Hillary Clinton will never be the President of the United States.

Why? Is she going to die of aids or something by then? I really didn't think she would win NY. What's different about the rest of the country as a whole?


28 posted on 10/10/2005 6:54:00 PM PDT by M1thumb
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To: oceanview

UMMM.. Massholes!


29 posted on 10/10/2005 6:54:51 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: William Creel
Lets hope that the conservaties run a candidate, otherwise, I'm voting 3rd party. I won't vote for some liberal or moderate.

Sure, go ahead, vote for a 3rd party candidate, that will teach everybody. Obviously you don't give a rats behind about this country.

Don't forget all the idiots who voted for Perot and gave the White House to Clinton and her husband.

Yeah, stick to your guns, Creel. That'll learn 'em.

30 posted on 10/10/2005 6:55:05 PM PDT by AJ504 (...I bumped up my monthly... did you??)
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To: oceanview
Rudy at the top of the ticket would result in NY, NJ and PA going republican. which republican states would Hillary win to make up for losing that Democratic block?

Morris' point was not about the general - it was that McCain and Giuliani cannot survive the GOP primary system.

Morris is correct.

The GOP will not nominate a pro-abortion, anti-RKBA candidate for President - not unless they want to see millions of evangelicals and gun owners take a walk.

But, to answer your question - I would go with Ohio, Indiana, and several near south states (VA, KY, NC). Giuliani would be destroyed for his (ahem) peccadellos, and the socials would sit it out or vote third party.

Come to think of it, if it was Giuliani vs. the 'Beast, I absolutely guarantee a conservative third party candidate, guaranteeing the election of the 'Beast.

31 posted on 10/10/2005 6:55:31 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: kddid

Morris is wrong.
All polls that I have seen, including this one last week, show Rudy and McCain getting a plurality of Republican support.
In many primary States, like New Hampshire, undeclareds can pick one party's ballot. That is how McCain won NH in 2000.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll_100505.pdf


32 posted on 10/10/2005 6:56:17 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Graybeard58
"'Morris said that a Rice presidential bid would garner 50 percent of the black vote.'

This is where Morris goes off the deep end."


The NAACP Marxist-Leninists would savage her mercilessly in the media, and the NYT would run multiple hit-pieces per day, every day, due to their fear of the above. If she is to be a candidate, a strategy for mitigating that has to start long before she announces.
33 posted on 10/10/2005 6:56:34 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: manwiththehands

Lewinsky is not going to be the defining issue of 2008 - people are tired of it, the people who care about "Lewinsky" are already voting against Hillary.

the Clintons have been rehabilitating their images since 2001 - and who has been helping them the most? Bush 41 and 43. Bill Clinton could have been the most marginal ex-president ever - instead, we give him Katrina relief, tsumani relief - all while he stabs Bush 43 in the back on various issues.


34 posted on 10/10/2005 6:56:45 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: William Creel
Lets hope that the conservaties run a candidate, otherwise, I'm voting 3rd party Hillary. I won't vote for some liberal or moderate Republican that, albeit moderate, could be a better alternative than Hillary.

There, much better.

35 posted on 10/10/2005 6:57:34 PM PDT by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: pcottraux

Or, Sam Brownback! I think he's VERY worth watching.


36 posted on 10/10/2005 6:59:50 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: kddid

Actually - the bad talking of Guilliani and McLame are because he DOESN'T want them to run. They migh be able to beat hillary because they are more liberal than the core of the GOP. THis would draw at least a few votes from the more moderate DemocRATs.

By bad talking Condi, and saying that the other two can't win the GOP nod, he is trying to beat on prospective opponents to Hitlery.

Problem I have - I don't want to see either Guilliani or McLame in the WhiteHouse. They are only barely better than Hitlery.


37 posted on 10/10/2005 7:03:22 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan)
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To: ConservativeGreek
All I can say is...If McCain is on the ticket I will only vote for down the ballot options! I WILL NOT! cast a vote for John McCain.
38 posted on 10/10/2005 7:03:49 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Freedom is not America's gift to man, Freedom is GOD'S gift to mankind!....G.W.Bush)
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To: kddid

McCain can't win the GOP primary if we decide on one candidate.

Rudy could, theoretically, if something happens around the primaries that makes national security such a priority people that would otherwise reluntanctly not support him because of social stances/2A would switch their vote. Otherwise, relunctantly, no, he'd lose. I say that because most conservatives genuinely like him. They just can't tolerate at the presidential level some of his views.

I'm not convinced anyone in the race currently on right or left will be the nominee in '08. I still think people are sick of Washington, both parties, and would want a new face.


39 posted on 10/10/2005 7:04:29 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: kddid

Pence


41 posted on 10/10/2005 7:04:48 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Look for the new bonus pack tagline in the handy 16mm shell)
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To: El Conservador

Times have changed! It's true that a Pro-Choice Republican couldn't win the Nomination for years and years. But...NOW the choice is between HILLARY being the president, or voting for the man who can beat her, namely Guiliani. He would take the south because, in the end, people want the person who will keep their family save, that would be Guiliani, not Hillary! Rudy would take NY and maybe even California. I don't think Morris believes Hillary can lose. He's wrong!


42 posted on 10/10/2005 7:05:49 PM PDT by grannylinedancer
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To: kddid

I hope you're right. I'd move outta the country if that happened. I love Condi, Rudi needs to change his views for me to ever think of voting for him and I wouldn't vote for McCain if he were running for the outhouse!


43 posted on 10/10/2005 7:06:02 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: gridlock

Dang! That reminds me...........I need to paint my toenails.


44 posted on 10/10/2005 7:06:44 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: pcottraux

"He doesn't here mention other Republican candidates, like George Allen."

Senators are not good candidates. When was the last senator elected president? Kennedy?


45 posted on 10/10/2005 7:07:19 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: isthisnickcool

ROFLMAO!!
That guy makes my skin crawl.


46 posted on 10/10/2005 7:07:40 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: SandRat

I'm with you on this one. The GOP needs to get busy putting this one together.


47 posted on 10/10/2005 7:07:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: pcottraux

He said Allen did not have the national name recognition.


48 posted on 10/10/2005 7:08:18 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: Randy Larsen

I WILL NOT! cast a vote for John McCain.

Just pointing out that McCain gets over 80% of Republicans in each poll. Runs contrary to Morris' view.
McCain also votes conservative lifetime over 80% of the time.


49 posted on 10/10/2005 7:08:20 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: William Creel

I won't be voting for any RINOs either. That's like trying to out-democrat the democrats to beat the democrats.


50 posted on 10/10/2005 7:08:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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