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Court Takes Up Wetlands Case in Rare Move
AP ^ | 10/11/5 | GINA HOLLAND

Posted on 10/11/2005 10:27:23 AM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court, venturing into knotty legal territory, said Tuesday it will consider restricting the government's authority to regulate wetlands.

Jumping into a subject that is crucial for both environmentalists, property owners and developers, the justices will take up claims that federal regulators have gone too far by restricting development of property that is miles away from any river or waterway.

With more than 100 million acres of wetlands in the United States, an area the size of California, the stakes are high, justices were told.

Environmental cases have been divisive at the court. In 2002, justices deadlocked 4-4 in a case that asked whether farmers should have more freedom to work in environmentally sensitive areas. In 2001, the court split 5-4 in a ruling that limited the scope of government protection of wetlands, but the decision did not go as far as environmentalists feared.

The latest cases give the court an opportunity to put broader limits on federal authority, and a key player may be new Chief Justice John Roberts. The appeals were the first the court agreed to hear under Roberts' leadership.

Environmentalists have been worried about how Roberts will vote in such cases.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: scotus; takingofproperty; wetlands
Time for the Chief Justice to shine.
1 posted on 10/11/2005 10:27:28 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
a subject that is crucial for both environmentalists, property owners and developers

Doesn't the AP use grammar anymore?

3 posted on 10/11/2005 10:41:49 AM PDT by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Restorer

Didn't they outsource most of their editing to India ?


4 posted on 10/11/2005 10:44:57 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: SmithL

We used to call "wetlands" swamps. Fetid, festering places that bred nothing but undesirable insects and disease. I'm from Boston. Most of this city wouldn't exist (including thousands of homes and businesses) if the "wetlands" weren't filled in. It's good news that the court's addressing this. Congress went too far in the '70s.


5 posted on 10/11/2005 10:45:00 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

The pc name for swamps is wetlands, just like the pc name for jungles is rainforests. Change the name and you can give it a warm fuzzy feeling.


6 posted on 10/11/2005 10:55:51 AM PDT by Grammy
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To: SmithL
As an appeals court judge, he suggested in 2003 that federal power is limited. He had urged the appeals court to reconsider its decision restricting a San Diego area construction project because it encroached on the habitat of the rare arroyo southwestern toad.

But in the first major oral argument he heard, Roberts had tough questions for a lawyer for Oregon who was there to try to protect that state's physician-assisted suicide law from being trumped by a federal drug law.

This quote shows the article's author really doesn't understand the legal difference between the wetlands cases and drug cases. The assisted sucide case is exclusively a statutory interpretation case involving the drug laws, because the Court has long held the drug laws are a legitimate exercise of Congress' right to regulate interstate commerce. The big issue in many of the wetlands cases is precisely whether the commerce clause extends to wetland regulation, particularly if the given wetland doesn't connect to any navigable body of water. For that reason this group of wetlands cases will give us a far better idea of Justice Roberts' actual thinking than the assisted suicide case will.

7 posted on 10/11/2005 11:46:23 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: SmithL
While the government may have gone a bit overboard in the 70's on wetland delineation, I am currently (locally) glad they did.

There are protected wetlands standing between my property and a developer who wanted to fill them in and build condos adjacent to my yard. That "protected wetland" designation made them back off a hundred feet or so, preserve the treeline that borders the creek, and made everyone happy (or at least as happy as possible).

I don't know if states get to decide what a "wetland" is, but in WI a wetland can be defined as able to float a boat ONE day a year. That qualifies my little creek as a wetland - yea!

8 posted on 10/11/2005 11:55:28 AM PDT by WIladyconservative (Save us from future Freepathons - set up a monthly donation!)
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To: cotton1706
We used to call "wetlands" swamps. Fetid, festering places that bred nothing but undesirable insects and disease.

Waterfowl also breed here. Which to myself and many others, are a very desirable, and tasty, bird. Ducks Unlimited (~90% hunters, which would lead me to argue at least 80% GOP) was successful at lobbying the Bush administration to further wetlands conservation. I really don't see this so much as an issue of a bunch of dreadlocked idiots standing around waving signs, gracing the public with their pleasant aroma of patchoulli, rank body odor, and pot smoke.

Wetlands are important ecosystems that should be protected. I am not trying to sound like a enviro-weenie trying to push socialism and stop development. Many states have laws in place that if businesses or homes develop in wetlands areas, they have to replace them (i.e. build another marsh) elsewhere. Which I think is a great compromise.
9 posted on 10/11/2005 11:58:59 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism is economic oppression)
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To: SmithL

And so it begins.

The fate of possibly dozens hapless frogs hang in the balance...


10 posted on 10/11/2005 12:11:17 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: proud_yank

I'm not talking about paving the everglades. I'm saying that just because some water is somewhere, it should not be preserved that way for all eternity. Where would such waterfoul go if a swamp dried up naturally? Would we attempt to keep it wet forever. The common sense line has been crossed beteen property and the environment.


11 posted on 10/11/2005 12:21:09 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
I'm not talking about paving the everglades.

Why not. We paved New Orleans and are going to pay to do it again.

12 posted on 10/11/2005 12:28:38 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: SmithL; farmfriend
On my Alaska trip I got to sample eco-whacko indoctrination first hand from three tour guides.

One guide informed me that eagles were exinct on Catalina Island while pointing to a pair in the tree and then delivered a lecture on the evils of DDT, chemical and oil companies straight out of a pamphlet of a eco group. I have been in the pesticide business and am in the oil business now, I fumed in silence because I knew the very young girl was giving the approved lecture and it was not the time, place or people to debate the facts.

Conservatives need to address this problem, commerical companies being co-hearsed into spouting eco drivel.

BTW, I am still peed-off that I paid $60 to see two exinct eagles, the nose of a seal and the splash of a fish, while being given eco lectures.

13 posted on 10/11/2005 12:36:35 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: cotton1706

Where my parents live in WV, its gotten way out of hand. Over 70% of the county has been declared wetlands. When they sweep the roads, the DOH has to haul the dirt & gravel 30 miles so as not to dump in a wetland.

How a dry mountaintop can be declared a wetland perplexes me.


14 posted on 10/11/2005 2:16:03 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: Baynative

The man-made pond on my parents farm was declared a wetlands. Be careful if you have a swimming pool, that might be next.


15 posted on 10/11/2005 4:27:51 PM PDT by carra
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To: WIladyconservative

definition of an environmentalist... the one who moved in first...

use of environmentalism to prevent property owners from doing what they want with their property is wrong.

give them the power and the state will boot you from your 'wetland'... then we will hear you cheer.

teeman


16 posted on 10/11/2005 5:29:11 PM PDT by teeman8r
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