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Libby Did Not Tell Grand Jury About Key Conversation
National Journal ^ | October 11, 2005 | Murray Waas

Posted on 10/11/2005 5:00:12 PM PDT by YaYa123

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To: operation clinton cleanup

He refuted it but then admitted it and then did himself in.

David Kelly was his name.

Speaking to media and saying things he wasn't supposed to was his unfortunate game---at least at that time. Evidently he was highly respected before.


61 posted on 10/11/2005 7:42:37 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Sadly LOL. It's all so clintonesque. Rove and Libby should have pulled a hillary and recalled nothing of particular value. But no one can do clinton better than the clintons.


62 posted on 10/11/2005 7:43:31 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Behold the Riderless Pony. Bringing doom and destruction on a smaller scale.)
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To: cyncooper
Any more breaking news on the Downing Street Memo? The last I saw was a fake congressional hearing on CSPAN with Uncle Joe and Cindy Sheehan being witnesses... not that has anything to do with plamegame.
63 posted on 10/11/2005 7:46:48 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Yes, the "I don't recall" would not fly with MSM in a Republican administration.
64 posted on 10/11/2005 7:49:37 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Sunnyflorida
So the concept of blasting this guy of all people makes no sense.

But haven't you heard? It's the evil Republicans, especially the Bush administration, who practice "the politics of personal destruction". That's why Karl Rove is such a baaaaddddd man...

At least, that's what the MSM tells me...

65 posted on 10/11/2005 7:55:38 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: YaYa123
5 years of GW in the White House and no scandal just burns the msm and the dems up.

With billybob they had monica, whitewater, travelgate, memogate, china gate, pardon gate the Cox Report, Paula Jones, Jennifer Flowers, Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey, Elizabeth Ward Grayson, Mena, Wag the Dog in Yugoslavia, john huang, charlie tree, maria hsia, buddhist monks and bodies stretching from Fort Marcy Park(Foster) to Croatia(Brown)and last, but not least, silverware gate and the white house furniture.

And that's just off the top of my head. Just writing it down makes me angry and sick. What a disgrace!

66 posted on 10/11/2005 8:01:27 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: YaYa123
I've never heard of National Journal.

Don't you remember the National Journal's Stuart Taylor making all those talking head appearances during the Bent One's impeachment? Taylor's a Lefty too.

67 posted on 10/11/2005 8:14:31 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: YaYa123

It's all just rumor and innuendo, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

I've had my money on Scooter Libby since July 2005 when Miller went to jail.

Miller was being hand-fed little tidbits about Iraqi WMD by someone for years before the war. She was the go-to girl for Iraqi WMD stories. She was the source for the aluminum tubes story, which came from the office of the Veep, and the Niger yellow-cake story came from the office of the Veep, too. She was imbedded with the military groups checking alleged WMD caches.

Not saying Cheney is personally involved, but obviously Miller is protecting someone, and surprise, as soon as she gets a personal assurance from Libby, she obtains a Get Out of Jail Free card.

My bet is that Libby will fall on his sword.


68 posted on 10/12/2005 1:39:41 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: wildbill
Lawyers always tell their clients to answer the questions truthfully but not to go beyond the scope of the question.

I don't think that's always a good idea.

If the client is in trouble, I tell them to take the Fifth. If the client isn't in trouble, I generally tell them to answer fully and fairly, as if they were in a normal conversation.

Kabuki dancing is for professionals. Most people aren't all that good at playing word games. They look like fools arguing about "what the meaning of 'is' is."

69 posted on 10/12/2005 1:46:02 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Eagles6
The questions that don't seem to get asked: Was Plame actually an undercover operative at the time protected by law? Did she openly work for the CIA? Was any law broken?

Not according to Victoria Toensing, who wrote the law.

70 posted on 10/12/2005 6:16:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Not everyone in the agency who disagreed with the President's actions are involved in this, just a few. But plot aside, why did so many in the agency object to this action. Maybe that is the millon dollar question. I can't figure it out.

9/11 was a major intelligence failure. During the Clinton administration, the prevailing view was that Saddam was "in his box." That assessment changed very little within the CIA and State Department even after 9/11. In October 2002 the consensus among CIA analysts was still that Saddam was unlikely to commit acts of terrorism. The only caveat was that if the US went to war to depose him, Saddam would respond in a "ferocious" way.

Bush's invasion of Iraq undercut the basic agency analysis of Iraq, which had not changed since 9/11. The fact that they could not see the dangers of Iraq using non-state actors like AQ was a fatally flawed concept. Iraq was and is a central part of the WOT, something the bureacracy refuses to believe. The CIA is still operating on its own paradigm of terrorism. To admit otherwise, would mean acknowledging that its existing policy analysis had left the country exposed to a great danger.

Laurie Mylroie's, Bush vs The Beltway" provides a detailed and well researched look at the infighting that went on and is still going on about Iraq within the USG.

71 posted on 10/12/2005 6:34:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Sunnyflorida

The WH was attacking Wilson's story (not Wilson personally), i.e., the insinuation that the VP was behind his trip to Niger and that the WH then ignored his findings, i.e., manipulated intelligence and lied to the public in order to invade Iraq. Pretty serious charges, which were unfounded.


72 posted on 10/12/2005 6:39:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Thanks. I read your reference to this book last night, it is now on my required reading list.

Frankjr posted some links which left my head spinning again. I think the articles he linked to say what you just told me, but this case has gotten so complicated because of the MSM spin my little brain can't keep up with it.


73 posted on 10/12/2005 6:50:26 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: CobaltBlue

I agree with your remarks generally about the proper advice from a lawyer to a client--if he has something to hide. Although in this political climate, taking the Fifth would be political suicide because it would be looked at as an admission of guilt by the masses, egged on by the MSM.

However, how do you take the fifth on a question that is never asked?

I don't think the matter arose until Judith Miller testified and probably dropped an aside that she'd had some previous conversation with Libby in June. That's why she went back and produced notes from that time and now has been called back to answer questions about them.

Of course, we don't know what was the subject nor the substance of the June interview, but it could hardly have been Wilson/Pflame because Wilson hadn't come out against the administration to that point. Unless Miller revealed that Wilson was in negotiation to publish something with her paper on the subject of his trip.

Lots that we don't know here.


74 posted on 10/12/2005 8:08:42 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill

It might help you if you knew the social milieu that Wilson and Plame live in. They're social butterflies who actually live in Washington DC in the same social circle that includes the Kerrys and various reporters for the Washington Post and the New York Times.

And Wilson has a very big mouth.


75 posted on 10/12/2005 9:58:27 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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