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DeLay's prosecutors lack a key document
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | 14 October 2005 | R.G. RATCLIFFE

Posted on 10/14/2005 9:14:31 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior

They don't have list of candidates at the heart of the laundering case, just a 'similar' one

AUSTIN - Travis County prosecutors admitted Friday they lack physical proof of a list of Republican candidates that is at the heart of money-laundering indictments against U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two of his associates.

The list is key to prosecutors being able to prove that corporate money that could not be legally spent on Texas candidates was specifically exchanged at the national level for donations that legally could be spent on Republican candidates for the Texas House.

Indictments against DeLay, Jim Ellis and John Colyandro state that Ellis gave "a document that contained the names of several candidates for the Texas House" to a Republican National Committee official in 2002 in a scheme to swap $190,000 in restricted corporate money for the same amount of money from individuals that could be legally used by Texas candidates.

But prosecutors said Friday in court that they only had a "similar" list and not the one allegedly received by then-RNC Deputy Director Terry Nelson.

A lawyer for Ellis said prosecutors' inability to produce the list mentioned in the indictments is on par with the tactics used by U.S. Sen. Joseph McCarthy in the communist witch hunts of the 1950s.

"I'll tell you what I think about this list. In the 1950s, a man named McCarthy claimed to have a list of 200 communists in the State Department, and he didn't," said J.D. Pauerstein, a lawyer for Jim Ellis, the director of DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority. "They (prosecutors) don't know what list they're talking about, even though they specify it in their indictment."

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KEYWORDS: delay; demodirtyschemes; earle; fakebutaccurate; hammer; lol; prosecutormisconduct; ronnieearle
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Oh, the tangled webs we weave When we practice to deceive. Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion" Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)

Who trusts zealot lawyers?

1 posted on 10/14/2005 9:14:33 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior
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To: Colonial Warrior

It may be a forgery, but the info is essentially true. Bwawawawwawawawa!


2 posted on 10/14/2005 9:18:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Colonial Warrior; flattorney; Dog Gone

Earle is sooooo busted.

3 posted on 10/14/2005 9:19:14 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Colonial Warrior
:-D )))

What an absolute goatscrew.

4 posted on 10/14/2005 9:20:07 PM PDT by RichInOC (The Travis County District Attorney's office...the posse that couldn't shoot straight.)
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To: Colonial Warrior

Hmmmm....I wonder if we check the history of this DA, he may have got his tutelage as a young sage working with CBS....naaahhhh!


5 posted on 10/14/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Jim Robinson
This could get interesting if it ever got "face time", which it won't....except for right here.

Just damn.

6 posted on 10/14/2005 9:20:53 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Like a midget at a urinal - stay on your toes...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe Mary Mapes has them.


7 posted on 10/14/2005 9:21:05 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Colonial Warrior
subpoenaing cell phone records of Jim Ellis' 17-year-old daughter

From when she was 12? ROFLMAO

8 posted on 10/14/2005 9:21:31 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Colonial Warrior
But prosecutors said Friday in court that they only had a "similar" list and not the one allegedly received by then-RNC Deputy Director Terry Nelson

Isn't this the sort of tactic that brought Dan Rather down?

9 posted on 10/14/2005 9:22:18 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Colonial Warrior

Get a rope! Delay must go down, regardless of the expense to the taxpayers!

:)


10 posted on 10/14/2005 9:22:49 PM PDT by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Colonial Warrior
You have to love this.
I have Microsoft Word, I'll forge one for them.
11 posted on 10/14/2005 9:23:40 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Southack

12 posted on 10/14/2005 9:24:20 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
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To: Colonial Warrior

No problem - they should be able to gin up any document they might need.

After all, if it didn't happen, it should have - because Delay is an EEEE-vil Republican and we're well-intentioned champions of the little people.


13 posted on 10/14/2005 9:25:09 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: JCEccles
Don't look to close...but Earle's makeup is running....wait...underneath...its...its....Dan..Blather!!


14 posted on 10/14/2005 9:25:22 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Southack
HA! Notice that this news came out on a Friday night so by Monday am it'll be "old news."

Time for DeLay to file a defamation of character suit against Earle's sorry ass.

15 posted on 10/14/2005 9:25:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Jim Robinson
It may be a forgery, but the info is essentially true.

Thats what they all say

16 posted on 10/14/2005 9:25:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Colonial Warrior; lawdude

Would this be cause for dismisal?


17 posted on 10/14/2005 9:26:59 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Colonial Warrior

"...McCarthy claimed to have a list of 200 communists..."
_______________________________________________________

Doncha love it when the Pubbies use the Left's flimsy arguments against them...Oooh it feels good.



18 posted on 10/14/2005 9:27:04 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: thoughtomator

Check Kinko's


19 posted on 10/14/2005 9:27:05 PM PDT by woofie
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To: ncountylee
subpoenaing cell phone records of Jim Ellis' 17-year-old daughter

"Like, these, like, gross Democrats keep, like, harassing me, totally."

20 posted on 10/14/2005 9:27:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Colonial Warrior

I wish they would stop bashing poor old
Joe McCarthy!


21 posted on 10/14/2005 9:28:11 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Colonial Warrior
Who trusts zealot lawyers?

Lead.

22 posted on 10/14/2005 9:31:20 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rather gate morphs into Earle gate. Something is wrong with the democRAT drinking water there in Travis county TX.


23 posted on 10/14/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: eleni121

I was just thinking that. This is supposed to be our side?


24 posted on 10/14/2005 9:33:58 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Colonial Warrior
Travis County prosecutors admitted Friday they lack physical proof of a list of Republican candidates that is at the heart of money-laundering indictments against U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two of his associates.

That's OK, they'll just type one up using Microsoft Word.

Mark

25 posted on 10/14/2005 9:35:20 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Blogger
I wish they would stop bashing poor old Joe McCarthy!
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A Historical Note:

Senator Joe McCarthy

--a brief excerpt from Richard H. Rovere's Senator Joe McCarthy

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The late Joseph R. McCarthy, a United States Senater from Wisconsin, was in many ways the most gifted demagogue ever bred on these shores. No bolder seditionist ever moved among us--nor any politician with a surer, swifter access to the dark places of the American mind. The major phase of McCanhy's career was mercifully short. It began in 1950, three years after he had taken his seat in the Senate, where he had seemed a dim and inconsiderable figure. It ended in 1954, when the Senate passed a resolution of censure against him. That was three years before his death at the age of fony-eight. Both his rise and his fall were accomplished with breath-taking speed. At the start of 1950, he was a jackstraw in Washington. Then he uncovered Communism--almost by inadvertence, as Columbus discovered America, as James Marshall discovered California gold.

Click

26 posted on 10/14/2005 9:35:52 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior
Calling Dan Rather! Calling Dan Rather.

Where are the necessary documents?

27 posted on 10/14/2005 9:36:00 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Blogger

Yeah too bad....McCarthy could have really used the fake but accurate idea....dang!


28 posted on 10/14/2005 9:36:15 PM PDT by fizziwig
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To: Colonial Warrior

Proof? I don't got to show you no stinkin' proof!


29 posted on 10/14/2005 9:36:42 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: Let's Roll

Maybe members of Freerepublic can help these poor saps. I have a old typewriter from 1968 and remember the proper signature blocks for the commander's signature. Does anyone out there have bond paper from the year DeLay was possibly committing "crimes"? We can get some extra help from that Ms. Maples lady over at CBS...she'd show us how to make aging creases in the paper. Of course, I'd be wanting some financial compenstation for this (at least $10k)...would someone from the Texas state Democratic party be able to have some money funneled from the Ted Kennedy national cash bucket to their account, then funneled to me in mostly $20 bills? I don't want no tax implcations or such, plus I sure don't want my wife to know about the extra money. And I don't rightly care to be on 60 Minutes, unless that Dan Rather guy is doing the interview.


30 posted on 10/14/2005 9:38:32 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Jim Robinson
It's quite possible that Mr. Earle will lose his license to practice Law over this.

Here's hoping anyway.

L

31 posted on 10/14/2005 9:38:49 PM PDT by Lurker (Some days it seems I'm completely surrounded by morons. Today is one of those days.)
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To: Colonial Warrior; sinkspur; deport


Interesting!


32 posted on 10/14/2005 9:39:41 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Colonial Warrior
What most people forget is that old Tailgunner Joe was right.

L

33 posted on 10/14/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by Lurker (Some days it seems I'm completely surrounded by morons. Today is one of those days.)
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To: JeanS
I have Microsoft Word, I'll forge one for them.

I wonder if anyone has come up with an IBM Selectric font for Word yet.

34 posted on 10/14/2005 9:41:58 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Lurker

He'd better. Bump and SENT TO DRUDGE!


35 posted on 10/14/2005 9:42:03 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Jim Robinson

The Hammer pounds Earle....keep on keeping on!

36 posted on 10/14/2005 9:43:22 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior
"I'll tell you what I think about this list. In the 1950s, a man named McCarthy claimed to have a list of 200 communists in the State Department, and he didn't," said J.D. Pauerstein, a lawyer for Jim Ellis, the director of DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority.

Ann Coulter will be so conflicted on this one...

37 posted on 10/14/2005 9:44:52 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Colonial Warrior
Travis County is the world's leading supplier of "Fake but Accurate" documents.

They should open a "FBA" library.
38 posted on 10/14/2005 9:45:25 PM PDT by msnimje (14-Day Free Trial into Monthly Subscription to Times Select, $7.95)
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To: Jim Robinson

I've got a manual typewriter from the 1930s, an electric from the early 1970s, a daisy wheel printer from the early 80s, a dot matrix from the early 90s, and a modern inkjet. I also live near a Kinkos.

Unfortunately for them, I'm too smart to be a liberal.


39 posted on 10/14/2005 9:51:15 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: God luvs America

over here


40 posted on 10/14/2005 9:52:58 PM PDT by hipaatwo (McLame,Snowe, Collins,Chafee,Sphincter...5 reasons we won't get the judges we want)
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To: Colonial Warrior
Never mind the fake but true aspect; it is the seriouosness of the charges...




...that will sink Earle

41 posted on 10/14/2005 9:53:56 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: RichInOC

LOL ! ! !


42 posted on 10/14/2005 9:58:08 PM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Colonial Warrior

The 'memo-gate' moments keep coming and coming. Kinko's must be doing one hell of a lot of business these days.

'List-gate' perhaps?


43 posted on 10/14/2005 9:58:18 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Colonial Warrior
"Travis County prosecutors admitted Friday they lack physical proof of a list of Republican candidates that is at the heart of money-laundering indictments against U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two of his associates."

Oh, who needs a piffling detail like that anyway.

44 posted on 10/14/2005 10:02:39 PM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Colonial Warrior

OOOPsie!


45 posted on 10/14/2005 10:03:24 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (2,4,6,8 - a burka makes me look overweight!)
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To: Colonial Warrior
"DeLay's prosecutors lack a key document"

A little something we like to call..PROOF! Put some ice on that Ronnie,

Your friend Bill

46 posted on 10/14/2005 10:05:13 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Colonial Warrior
But prosecutors said Friday in court that they only had a "similar" list

They got it a Kinko's. I would think that Texas has rules of evidence.

47 posted on 10/14/2005 10:05:44 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Lurker

Uh...Mr. Earle has retained me...as his spokesmoose. Mr. Earle is not available....in the state...in hiding.....ooooh. Where's the squirrel?

48 posted on 10/14/2005 10:06:19 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my life....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior

>>>"I'll tell you what I think about this list. In the 1950s, a man named McCarthy claimed to have a list of 200 communists in the State Department, and he didn't"<<<

Bad example. McCarthy was generally correct in his claims; and his crusade was not political, but one of honoring his oath of office. Anyone who takes an oath to protect and defend the constitution must be an enemy of communism, by default.


49 posted on 10/14/2005 10:06:35 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -- James 4:7)
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To: Colonial Warrior

LOL ! This is unreal.

The guy gets an indictment without having the evidence he claims to have.

I wonder how the MSM is going to spin this one. This should be interesting to watch.


50 posted on 10/14/2005 10:07:56 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon (Liberal definition of looting: " Self-help Humanitarian Aid.")
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