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15 October 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 10/15/2005 12:20:23 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

No, this is not about the Rev. Louis Farrakhan and his march in D.C. Instead, it’s about an article today (15 October) in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer entitled, “ 'Slave syndrome' may still affect black behavior.” The thesis of the professor appears in the early paragraphs:

“The troubling images of African Americans displaced by Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans' impoverished neighborhoods didn't startle researcher Joy DeGruy-Leary. ‘All Katrina did was reveal what was already there. I wasn't confused, wasn't surprised,’ she said....

“DeGruy-Leary, an assistant professor in Portland State University's Graduate School of Social Work, will discuss her theory of the relationship between race, culture, poverty and history today at the third Seattle Race Conference and tonight in a separate talk. Her theory of "post-traumatic slave syndrome" concludes that African Americans needed to adapt to survive more than two centuries of slavery, and that those adaptations are reflected in their behaviors today.”

Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/244686_seattlerace15.html

There are two problems with this professor’s “slave” thesis, neither of them noticed or mentioned in this article. The first is that emotional reactions are not biologically inherited by children, much less great-great-great-great-grandchildren. If you go back far enough, all Americans are descended from humans who bashed in the brains of other humans, and had no aversion to cooking and eating them for dinner. Those traits are exceptionally rare among modern Americans.

The second error in the article is this: the history of race relations in Seattle itself demonstrates that the professor’s theory is a vat of snake oil, designed to deceive rather than inform. Washington State was one of the areas from which Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put in prison camps without charges or trials, at the beginning of World War II. The specific story about Puget Sound was told in the book, Snow Falling on Cedars.

Surely this reporter was aware of that. The broader story is told in the book, Manzanar, about the imprisonment of approximately 110,000 Japanese-Americans for no crime, for racial reasons only. These people, most of them American citizens, lost all or most of their property and remained in prison until 1944-1945. They were treated no better than slaves for the time of their imprisonment.

And yet, Japanese-Americans today are among the highest of all demographic groups in their achievements and success, measured by any standard. If the professor’s theory about a “slave” syndrome had an ounce of truth to it, damaging effects should appear in the Japanese-American community in Seattle itself. But they don’t. That strongly suggests that the professor’s thesis is false, and that the reporter and his editor missed the story that was right in front of them

John_Armor@aya.yale.edu


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: North Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: japaneseamericans; louisfarrakhan; manzanar; portlandstate; postintelligencer; slavesyndrome
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1 posted on 10/15/2005 12:20:25 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
But the reporter and his editor feel much better. With leftists it always is about them and their feelings.

Facts are to a liberal, what salt is to a garden snail - death.

2 posted on 10/15/2005 12:25:34 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Are they saying that after the Civil War it would have been kinder to send all ex-slaves and their relatives back to Africa so that their ancestors would not have to be reminded?
3 posted on 10/15/2005 12:26:11 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I guess "slave syndrome" sounded better than "welfare syndrome."


4 posted on 10/15/2005 12:30:00 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Congressman Billybob

This is being discussed here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503038/posts


5 posted on 10/15/2005 12:30:33 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Congressman Billybob

I do not deny that there might be something like a post-slavery syndrome. There has to be. No other group of people, even Africans from other nations who immigrate here, don't act in the same way. It is clearly not biological but sociological. That being said, the solution to the problem is not with more "programs" hand-outs, western civilization bashing re-education, but with internal change in the black community itself. No one except them can change it. However, this appears unlikely given the "keeping it real" crowd. This explains why most of us, almost all of us who have had family members who were slaves (think Rome) got over it. Because we did not want to "keep it real", not because we had a government program help us. (To date, Rome has not asked for forgivness or paid reparations for their conquest and subjugaton of Spanish peoples after the Punic Wars).


6 posted on 10/15/2005 12:30:44 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: Congressman Billybob
What do you think of this quote?

That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality.

George W. Bush ( Katrina aftermath address to America )

7 posted on 10/15/2005 12:37:38 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: The Cuban
I do not deny that there might be something like a post-slavery syndrome. There has to be. No other group of people, even Africans from other nations who immigrate here, don't act in the same way.
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Actually Thomas Sowell in his book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" gives a pretty compelling alternative explanation. The blacks in the South inherited their backwards behavior from the local whites, who were overwhelmingly immigrants from the borderlands between England & Scotland. The "culture" of these rednecks was quite degenerate, including a lack of respect for life, wanton sex, inclinations to violence, no work ethic etc. Sound familiar?
8 posted on 10/15/2005 12:38:10 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You bring up some interesting points. Japan is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, even though it is poor in natural resources. They are masters of high technology of all sorts and generous donors to worldwide charities, while the Japanese in America do better than the average American in terms of income and educational attainment. On the other hand, blacks in America have a rough time of it, while the countries in Sub-Sahara Africa have a hard time feeding themselves even though they have been the recipients of billions of dollars in aid over the past fifty years and have tremendous natural resources.

I wonder if there is some sort of connection that could be inferred?
9 posted on 10/15/2005 12:38:30 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Congressman Billybob
‘All Katrina did was reveal what was already there. I wasn't confused, wasn't surprised,’ she said....because I'm an anal retentive dope who gets paid big bucks to write and drool such drivel. Only in America, which I hate but enjoy the freedoms and money fools pay me..."

FMCDH(BITS)

10 posted on 10/15/2005 12:38:59 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Jim_Curtis
I think it is a good quote by a good politician, especially given the circumstances under which it was given. It may surprise you to learn that politicians do not always speak the exact truth all the time. It comes with the territory.
11 posted on 10/15/2005 12:40:59 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Jim_Curtis
That quote from Bush bothers me for the same reason as his repeated promises to "bring the terrorists to justice." The correct statement would be, "shoot them dead."

In poverty, the correct quote would be, "give everyone a fair opportunity, encourage everyone to take advantage of it." As my all-so-brief article notes, failure is not a racial matter. It is a matter of family, and commitment, and hard work.

John / Billybob

12 posted on 10/15/2005 12:41:47 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Quoted by Rush, again, this Thursday. Hoohah.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Great article Congressman!

Although I must say the whole agenda was given away by the first sentence::

DeGruy-Leary, an assistant professor in Portland State University's Graduate School of Social Work, will discuss her theory

There's no way an assistant professor in the "graduate" field of "social work," with the foresight to hyphenate her name, in Portland (of all places!) is going to produce anything scholarly. Maybe scatological, but certainly nothing of intellectual substance.

14 posted on 10/15/2005 12:45:26 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Why didn't you respond to my post of the article...and your views more important than anyone else's?


15 posted on 10/15/2005 12:46:05 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat

...and did you do a search to see if it was posted???


16 posted on 10/15/2005 12:46:36 PM PDT by paulat
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To: BamaGirl

Well, it is true that the "hillbillys " of Appalachia exhibit much the same behavior. My wife's sister-in-law , who is from West Virginia, has very little contact with her family, who are caught in the same cycle of poverty as urban blacks. But one can see still see the same lethargy in white families who migrated to the iindustrial areas of the north. A culture can be a prison.


17 posted on 10/15/2005 12:47:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

But one can see still see the same lethargy in white families who migrated to the iindustrial areas of the north.

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Yeah and unfortunately these poor whites aren't given the same assistance such as affirmative action, business loans, etc. because their skin isn't the right color.

It's not race, it's culture, stupid. I wish this dirty little secret would get out so we could stop hearing about racism. And maybe even fix the problem.


18 posted on 10/15/2005 12:51:47 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: BamaGirl

That coul also go a long way in explaining it, I agree.


19 posted on 10/15/2005 12:53:37 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: BamaGirl

Black people are oblivious to the problems of the white poor.


20 posted on 10/15/2005 12:56:42 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: The Cuban

Oh yeah that book is awesome. I higly recommend it! I learned more in the first 25 pages about the South than I ever did in AP American History!


21 posted on 10/15/2005 12:58:29 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Mike Darancette
"Are they saying that after the Civil War it would have been kinder to send all ex-slaves and their relatives back to Africa so that their ancestors would not have to be reminded?"

That was Lincoln's plan (though maybe not his reason), but he was assassinated before he could implement it.

22 posted on 10/15/2005 12:59:41 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Congressman Billybob
Good analogy, better comparison.

But you're mistaken in thinking that liberals can think.

(Scheme? Lie? Propagandize? Cheat? Fraud? Certainly!

But think rationally and logically and from facts?

On a parallel note; I'd offer instead that a submissive, quiet, "accept authority", fear freedom, fear economic risk, live silently and passively tolerate ANYTHING that the government does IS an in-bred trait in societies like Soviet Russia, an perhaps, by extension, to the slave trade beginnings in Africa and Muslim Sahara.

A passive, non-rebellious figure survives. Has the potential for children, even if under slavery or socialism. A rebellious, or freedom-seeking, or ANY individual who stands out gets sent to Siberia, killed, outright, or forced into poverty and prison. Loss of jobs, food, travel, education means less (or no) breeding.

So, over the years beginning in Czarist Russia in the 1600's, rather than a Renaissance and explosion of economic freedom, the Soviet people get bred into submissive, passive, freedom-fearing people.

And slave descendent's (those who were survivors of slaves in taken from Africa to the US) are the ones who were NOT killed, actively resisting, or who were taking slaves themselves in Africa.

23 posted on 10/15/2005 1:01:13 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: wizardoz
"I guess "slave syndrome" sounded better than "welfare syndrome."

Or "break the window and steal the flat-screen TV syndrome".

24 posted on 10/15/2005 1:02:05 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: BamaGirl

Has to be. I remember reading an article about the book a while ago. Definitely will check it out.


25 posted on 10/15/2005 1:03:45 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: Ninian Dryhope
I think it is a good quote by a good politician, especially given the circumstances under which it was given. It may surprise you to learn that politicians do not always speak the exact truth all the time. It comes with the territory.

Bush makes his case for nationwide reparations. After all, there are millions and millions of those who fit his special-needs-due-to-discrimination theory, in other cities besides New Orleans.

What determines that those in New Orleans receive these better living conditions? Destruction of their community? What then is to stop those eligible from burning down their cities and having them rebuilt bigger and better?

26 posted on 10/15/2005 1:04:24 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So, over the years beginning in Czarist Russia in the 1600's, rather than a Renaissance and explosion of economic freedom, the Soviet people get bred into submissive, passive, freedom-fearing people.

Except when they get attacked by Chechen terrorists. Then they get MAD!!!!!!!

27 posted on 10/15/2005 1:04:24 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Plus...the Jews adapted after they were enslaved by the Africans.
but...the oriental ( i know, un-PC) internees received "reparations" from the US....and that's where this is ultimately going.
28 posted on 10/15/2005 1:08:00 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Congressman Billybob
This reporter is so very close to the truth, but very far away as well.

Blacks in New Orleans were and are predisposed to be victims in this type of calamity. They suffered more, proportionally, than Whites or Orientals. They are more likely to lose a larger percentage of their goods and suffer the effects of a calamity such as this for a longer period of time than other racial groups.

But the reason isn't slavery, at least not the kind the author is referring to.

No, this slavery is imposed on 21st Century Black Americans by their so-called leadership that spends billions of taxpayer dollars each year convincing them that they can not take care of themselves without government help.

The message of the Black leadership to their racial brethren is simple: You are incompetent. You cannot take care of your own needs, in normal times or calamities.

Since many Blacks buy this big lie, then when the storm suspended government services for everyone, those who depended on it the the most, Blacks, suffered the most.

The Big Lie is an attractive one. It comes with the addictive appeal of "Free Money." But it has a horrible price; self-imposed slavery.

Black America will cease to be victims when they cease to believe the big lie about themselves, the lie that says they need special help. Tiger Woods doesn't get Mulligans. JC didn't get any extra votes at the ballot box. No Black ever became an astronaut without superb skills and dedication.

The commitment to that level of skill and dedication is available to every American, regardless of their color.

Blacks are capable of being as competent as any race, but until they throw off the yoke of slavery fostered upon them by the lies their "leaders" tell them, and so-called "social welfare" programs that only foster increased dependency on government, then unfortunately, Blacks will continue to live in a form of self-imposed slavery no government program can ever cure.

29 posted on 10/15/2005 1:09:55 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Naughty, naughty, John -- you're being rational again. Tch, tch.

Nice column!

30 posted on 10/15/2005 1:10:38 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: MindBender26

"Blacks are capable of being as competent as any race"

True, in theory.


31 posted on 10/15/2005 1:13:34 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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To: paulat
Apparently, you are unaware of why the website Newsbusters.org was created. It exists to expose liberal-Democrat nonsense that appears in the MSM. Newsbusters has become, in two short months, a very respected and frequently referenced debunking website.

So, I did both. I responded to the post of the original article here on FR. But I also wrote a separate piece for Newsbusters. Despite the size and success of FR, the reach of Newsbusters is even greater.

John / Billybob

32 posted on 10/15/2005 1:18:55 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Quoted by Rush, again, this Thursday. Hoohah.)
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To: BamaGirl

That's not true of the Scots-Irish and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for making those kinds of generalizations.

The overwhelming migration of the Scots-Irish to American came between 1720 and about 1760 and from that group came the majority of American presidents and generals.

They were the poorest group to immigrate here from the British Isles and they did very well. Aside from material considerations, (they weren't wearing velvet and jewels) they were the ones who took the brunt of the Indian Wars of all kinds.

If there are pockets of lassitude and white poverty in Appalachia, these pockets exist in every culture. But maybe they like the country life.

Shame on you!


33 posted on 10/15/2005 1:21:55 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: BamaGirl
"The "culture" of these rednecks was quite degenerate, including a lack of respect for life, wanton sex, inclinations to violence, no work ethic etc. Sound familiar?"

Minnesota Vikings?

34 posted on 10/15/2005 1:22:24 PM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

The problem is that people accept this notion that the whole World is against them. The World is neutral. Unless a person achieves fame or notoriety, the World isn't taking notice of what anyone does.


35 posted on 10/15/2005 1:23:48 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Congressman Billybob
A good and learned non-PC summary could be found in Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294.
(the article is available in pdf from http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm)
36 posted on 10/15/2005 1:25:11 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Congressman Billybob

read latter.


37 posted on 10/15/2005 1:32:07 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mike Darancette
Are they saying that after the Civil War it would have been kinder to send all ex-slaves and their relatives back to Africa so that their ancestors would not have to be reminded?

Already tried previous to the Civil War....


38 posted on 10/15/2005 1:32:41 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Congressman Billybob
Do you know why black Americans aren't as successful as they could be? The conventional explanation is that a substantial amount of racism still exists in America and that bigots conspire to keep blacks from succeeding. Indeed, the majority of blacks are told this all of their lives. This nonsense is a self-fulfilling prophecy! It gives blacks a ready-made reason not to persevere. After all, what's the point in playing the game if the deck is stacked against you?

I needn't waste your time with endless examples of famously successful men that failed countless times before finally reaching their goals. The key advantage that whites have is that we're not told that the world is against us. Consider John Creasey, the famous English author of more than 600 mystery, crime, suspense, and detective novels. Would he have continued trying to get his work published (after being rejected hundreds of times) if he had been black? If he had been black it would have been understandable for him to come to the conclusion that the world really was against him and that further efforts were futile.

Yes, there are a few bigots (and they come in all colors) conspiring to see others fail. What is the good in allowing them to do so? If someone does encounter racism the law is on their side. But black Americans must continue towards their goals even after such an encounter.

Blacks will continue to do poorly until they come to the realization that life presents hurdles for everyone. Instead of fighting for the removal of those hurdles - which is an impossible task - they have to do what everyone else does. Start jumping. Those that tell them otherwise are doing them a great disservice.
39 posted on 10/15/2005 1:35:17 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: squarebarb

Huh? I assume you're being sarcastic? I was talking about a backward group from that area, not all Scots/English?

"If there are pockets of lassitude and white poverty in Appalachia, these pockets exist in every culture. "

Yeah you are right. The success of a group of people is less tied to their culture than their adherence to a couple of values, including a strong work ethic, moral values, respect for life, etc.

A simplified version of this is reflected in the fact that is something like if you (1) finish high school (2) don't be a teenage mother and (3) don't have a baby out of wedlock they you will have some high chance of not living in poverty. Does anyone around here know the exact statistic?


40 posted on 10/15/2005 1:36:58 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: wizardoz
I guess "slave syndrome" sounded better than "welfare syndrome."

Wait a minute. It does sound better!

And since I'm of Slavic heritage, last of the peons in Europe to be freed from slavery, and from whence the term 'slave' come from....

WooHoo! I'm owed reparations!!!!

41 posted on 10/15/2005 1:37:59 PM PDT by TotusTuus (It's a "syndrome" thing)
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To: Congressman Billybob
failure is not a racial matter. It is a matter of family, and commitment, and hard work.

Isn't that something many of us know, and the Liberals want to hide? I forget the exact numbers, but among people who get at least a high school education, get a job (even minimum wage), stay off drugs, and get married before having children, only 15% are poor (regardless of race). Of those who don't, 85% are poor.
And more African-Americans than whites or Asians fail to do those things.

The facts don't suit the Liberal agenda - they put the responsibility on the individual. The Liberals need to have a "downtrodden" class, otherwise they have no claim to power. And African-Americans are willing to fill that role.

42 posted on 10/15/2005 1:49:10 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Ninian Dryhope
I wonder if there is some sort of connection that could be inferred?

Yes there is, however I would think the linkage is more culturally based than genetic if that's where you were going.

Regards,
GtG

PS As my sainted Great-Granny used to say;"Die Welt ein besserer Platz würde mit deutschen Weisen sein."

43 posted on 10/15/2005 1:50:57 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

This is along the same lines of the so called "black rage" defence.Remember the man who killed white pasangers on a bus(?)several yrs ago?His attorney claimed an uncontrolable rage against whites(because he felt opressed)drove him to kill.I don't think the jury bought it.IMO,people who believe this tripe simply want to believe it.As far as Katrina is concerned,the press went out of their way to MAKE Katrina a racial issue.They propagated the unfounded rumors of wholesale rape and murder.


44 posted on 10/15/2005 3:21:01 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: The Cuban
"I do not deny that there might be something like a post-slavery syndrome. There has to be. No other group of people, even Africans from other nations who immigrate here, don't act in the same way."

Huh?

The ex-slave immigrants from the Caribbean Islands now in New York don't act this way. They also have a higher average income in NY than the average white income. One immigrant was quoted as saying: "Isn't America great, all you have to do to get rich is work."

The ex-slave BS is for the birds and intended to elicit another level of give aways for people who refuse to work and be responsible for themselves.

45 posted on 10/15/2005 3:32:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: The Cuban

Yeah, and how about post Potato Famine syndrome. It makes me want to have a drink.


46 posted on 10/15/2005 3:36:00 PM PDT by sgtyork
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To: GSlob

Nice. Thanks for the pointer.


47 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:52 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Congressman Billybob
That quote from Bush bothers me for the same reason as his repeated promises to "bring the terrorists to justice." The correct statement would be, "shoot them dead."

The terrorist quote bothers me because it is annoyingly euphemistic. The poverty quote is an insidious talking point for reparationists.

48 posted on 10/15/2005 4:11:27 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: wizardoz

Come on; How can you demand reparations for welfare syndrome???? Sarcasm / wide and deep


49 posted on 10/15/2005 4:14:48 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: RobbyS

You are so very correct however a word to the wise I made the same point about three weeks ago and congressman billybob lit me up as a racist.


50 posted on 10/15/2005 4:20:18 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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