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Cowboy George (Allen) hailed as the Reagan for ’08
Sunday Times ^ | October 16, 2005 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 10/15/2005 6:03:01 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A TOBACCO chewing, horse-riding, cowboy boot wearing politician called George could be the Republican party’s choice for president in 2008. With George W Bush in political freefall, speculation is intensifying about his successor. The rising star among conservatives is George Allen, senator for Virginia and former governor of the state.

The son of a famous American football coach, Allen is a minor figure compared with prominent rivals such as Senator John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, but he is more politically mainstream and potentially acceptable to Republican stalwarts.

Bruce Allen, general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers pro-football team, has no doubt that his elder brother can go all the way to the White House. “He has always been a leader,” he said. “I would never underestimate what he is able to do. He’s very real and that’s what makes him special.”

Those close to Allen’s unofficial campaign place his chances of winning his party’s nomination at 60-40. Although no senator has won the presidency since John F Kennedy, Allen has hands-on experience as a governor and a folksy, populist touch.

No matter how smart his suit and tie, he is never separated from his “lucky” cowboy boots. Nor will he ever give up his chewing tobacco and spittoon, according to an insider, although he is said to be a Virginia gentleman rather than a Texas swaggerer like Bush.

Sean Hannity, an influential right-wing radio and television host, has been boosting Allen’s prospects by comparing him with Ronald Reagan, a friend of Allen’s father, and declaring him capable of winning every state in the South against Hillary Clinton, the Democrat favourite.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; acp; allen; allen2008; bush; cnim; conservatism; georgeallen; gopprimary; reagan; republican
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To: HHKrepublican_2

"I think he voted nay on the recent Gitmo treatment bill."

Unless he is allowed to revise and extend his votes,then he was not one of the 9 patriots who voted against this bill.


121 posted on 10/15/2005 7:14:15 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: takbodan

I thought Dr. Rice had dated Terrell Owen.


122 posted on 10/15/2005 7:16:01 PM PDT by lainie
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To: West Coast Conservative
Nor will he ever give up his chewing tobacco and spittoon,

I guess he will be giving up his jaw to cancer. What a neanderthal habit.

123 posted on 10/15/2005 7:16:20 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Stellar Dendrite
"Sen. George Allen Supports 'Hate Crimes' Bill"

This disqualifies him in my book. Then again, if Rudy, Condi and McCain are also candidates...

124 posted on 10/15/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by montag813
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To: HHKrepublican_2

These are the nine Patriots who voted no to the Gitmo torture amendment.



Sen. Tom Coburn (Okla.)
Sen. Kit Bond (MO)

Sen. Wayne Allard (CO)
Sen. Thad Cochran (Miss.)

Sen. John Cornyn (Tex.)

Sen. James M. Inhofe (Okla.)

Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.)

Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)

Sen. Ted Stevens (Alaska)


125 posted on 10/15/2005 7:18:13 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: traviskicks
[...]recalling that as governor of Virginia he found it helpful to “get your boots in the mud”.

I loved Allen's style as governor, but I'm not sure it would fly with the élites...it's more NASCAR than Escar(got). ;-) He has a common sense and conservatism that I think would really resonate across the country, but would drive the MSM absolutely bonkers. SNL would have a field day with him creating caricatures....we'd have our work cut out, but I think it would be worth it.

126 posted on 10/15/2005 7:19:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
I wouldn't worry about Bush's 45% approval numbers. Americans are known throughout the world as extremely impatient people. Everyone in America wants a functional democracy in Iraq NOW and everyone wants to start bring our troops home NOW. Everybody wants all the hurricane damage to oil platforms and oil refineries repaired immediately so gasoline drops back to $2.30 NOW. People want the stock market to have a big rally this month so they can start getting rich right now. Meanwhile the MSM is relentlessly attacking Bush and taking the most negative perspective it can take on Iraq, hurricane relief, and the economy.

What we need to turn this around and counter the MSM bias is some concrete results: troops withdrawals from Iraq and reduced spending in Iraq, gasoline back down to $2.30, an end to interest rate increases by the Fed, and rebuilding and renewal in Lousiana and Mississippi. All of these results should start to happen later this year and on into 2006. The first tangible result will probably be a decline in gasoline prices to $2.60 by December and $2.30 by March. After that, a lot depends on Iraq, but I believe we are turning the tide there in our favor (despite the hopelessly f***ed up MSM).

127 posted on 10/15/2005 7:24:08 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I disagree with Dick Morris' contention that Rice is the only one who could beat Hillary. I think Morris has a tendency to going to town with data that supports his contentions, and ignore that which disagree with it. I do agree that long-term demographic shifts favor the Democrats and the Left, but as with the last several decades, I think even in 2008 the nation will still naturally favor a conservative over a liberal in normal, stable circumstances.

Unfortunately, the potential seems higher than usual for big macro-condidtions to set up in favor of a leftist like Hillary, to push the electorate into voting against their natural inclination. Thankfully, we still have a little over 2 years for things to improve (by that I mean improve to the point where it would be hard for the media to credibly paint a picture of doom and gloom that only Saint Hillary could rescue us from).

I understand that people think a Rice candidacy could offset some of these things with an expected large draw from women and black voters. I don't believe for a second that Rice could win half of the black vote as some believe. I think that the natural desire of blacks to see a fellow African American ascend to the highest office would be offset by the inevitable demagoguery of her as a female Uncle Tom; by the time the Left and the NAACP got done with her she wouldn't be thought of as 'black', much like Clarence Thomas. Of course I'd be remiss to not acknowledge that Dem success generally relies on winning upwards of 90% of the black vote, so if she could just win 20 or 30% then maybe that would be enough to pick off some close states like Penn or Michigan.

As for women; well I don't really see why they would be more inclined to go with Rice over Hillary. While I agree with the conventional wisdom that VP's don't make much difference (with some exceptions of course, like LBJ and Texas), part of me thinks (or maybe hopes) that a Rice on the VP slot would help the GOP offset a possible Hillary landslide with women. I mean, having a credible and strong woman running as the VP would be quite novel as well (Ferraro doesn't fit that description), and again, it would set her up as an inevitable successor.

If the before-mentioned macro condidtions of our society are in good shape in 2008, and if Hillary has a good chance at winning, then I fear for the future because that would not speak well of where we stand as a nation.


128 posted on 10/15/2005 7:24:48 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

I don't agree with Morris either, but I do think Condi would vaporize the beast. Others might win, but Condi would be their kryptonite.

Women, for one, are not NOW dykes or monolithic idiots who do as they are programed by the MSM to do or think. In fact, most women still have the beast's number just as they did after her dismissive remarks about having better things to do than stay at home and bake cookies. A friend of mine described his wife's reaction the first time she saw the krintons on the tube before the '92 election. She walked in, looked at the image of the krintons and asked who the feminist was that hated her husband. BAM! Absolutely cold and she got the entire picture. Other do to, but leftist polls ignore it.

Blacks, too, will also resonate with Condi when her full story is known. The bogus krintonesque 'down home' BS will shrink before Condi's real claim to civil rights fame and black heritage. Even the rave baitors will take a backseat to a righteous woman like her. If they don't she'll have the full ability to b*tch slap them into eternity.

In the end, all I am saying is that Condi would win in a landslide. She is not the only electable candidate, though. For me, winning is important, but I want my nation's enemies skewered on a spit and roasted on the White House lawn and Condi is the one to do it as well as mix-up a BBQ sauce to serve them with..


129 posted on 10/15/2005 7:40:22 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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To: carl in alaska

All that requires lots and lots of spending. Make Libs Happy, but piss off Conservatives.


130 posted on 10/15/2005 7:42:01 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
I used to think Pence was someone I could support for 2008, but isn't he the co-author (along with DUmmie Chris Dodd) of the "Free Flow of Information Act"? A media shield bill which is unconstitutional on its face? A bill which Accuracy In Media even said "Media Shield Law Would Cover Al Qaeda".

We do need a real conservative in 2008, which is why Mike Pence needs to stay in the House (or perhaps go back to his radio show) so he has more time to read the Constitution and the First Amendment.

131 posted on 10/15/2005 7:44:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: StAnDeliver
Here you go again...Talking about a bill you know nothing about and haven't read.Pence's bill only duplicates the media shield law already in place in 31 states. Pence is doing this so if Hillary gets elected she can't throw Brit Hume and Bill Gertz in prison.Pence is not the co author...he wrote the whole thing. Congress shall Make NO LAW..... A free press is the ONLY check on corrupt Government in real time. WHAT is your specific problem with the bill??? WE MUST HACE LEAKERS come forward or BIg and Corrupt Government will be omnipotent!!!!!
132 posted on 10/15/2005 7:54:12 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: StAnDeliver
Here you go again...Talking about a bill you know nothing about and haven't read.Pence's bill only duplicates the media shield law already in place in 31 states. Pence is doing this so if Hillary gets elected she can't throw Brit Hume and Bill Gertz in prison.Pence is not the co author...he wrote the whole thing. Congress shall Make NO LAW..... A free press is the ONLY check on corrupt Government in real time. WHAT is your specific problem with the bill??? WE MUST HAVE LEAKERS come forward or BIg and Corrupt Government will be omnipotent!!!!!
133 posted on 10/15/2005 7:54:31 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08
Res ipsa loquitor -- the only thing more obnoxiously stupid than your answer is Pence's unconstitutional bill itself.
134 posted on 10/15/2005 7:57:51 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Gipper08
"No I am not Mike Pence! I have only met him 5 times and have never talked to him more than 20 minutes at a time."

Sounds like Bill O'Reilly's Andrea Mackris defense...

135 posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: SauronOfMordor

Chelsa exists because Bill forced himself upon Hillary one night.


136 posted on 10/15/2005 8:03:55 PM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Gipper08
I think President Bush and Senator Allen are about EQUALLY conservative.

Then you're thinking wrong. And you will NOT gain support for Pence by knocking down Allen. So for the final time, please stop it.

137 posted on 10/15/2005 8:07:32 PM PDT by jla
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To: section9
George Allen, you are on my do not call list

Did you consult with your Japanese cartoon friends before you made this decision?

Be seein' you,
Jeff

138 posted on 10/15/2005 8:11:48 PM PDT by jla
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To: Mia T

fyi :^)


139 posted on 10/15/2005 8:12:08 PM PDT by jla
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To: pcottraux

Still, that's not nearly as bad as some things other candidates have done.

That doesn't mean we can't do better.


140 posted on 10/15/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by Just Lori (Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.)
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