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Cowboy George (Allen) hailed as the Reagan for 08
Sunday Times ^ | October 16, 2005 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 10/15/2005 6:03:01 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A TOBACCO chewing, horse-riding, cowboy boot wearing politician called George could be the Republican party’s choice for president in 2008. With George W Bush in political freefall, speculation is intensifying about his successor. The rising star among conservatives is George Allen, senator for Virginia and former governor of the state.

The son of a famous American football coach, Allen is a minor figure compared with prominent rivals such as Senator John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, but he is more politically mainstream and potentially acceptable to Republican stalwarts.

Bruce Allen, general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers pro-football team, has no doubt that his elder brother can go all the way to the White House. “He has always been a leader,” he said. “I would never underestimate what he is able to do. He’s very real and that’s what makes him special.”

Those close to Allen’s unofficial campaign place his chances of winning his party’s nomination at 60-40. Although no senator has won the presidency since John F Kennedy, Allen has hands-on experience as a governor and a folksy, populist touch.

No matter how smart his suit and tie, he is never separated from his “lucky” cowboy boots. Nor will he ever give up his chewing tobacco and spittoon, according to an insider, although he is said to be a Virginia gentleman rather than a Texas swaggerer like Bush.

Sean Hannity, an influential right-wing radio and television host, has been boosting Allen’s prospects by comparing him with Ronald Reagan, a friend of Allen’s father, and declaring him capable of winning every state in the South against Hillary Clinton, the Democrat favourite.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; War on Terror
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To: trubluolyguy

No I am not Mike Pence! I have only met him 5 times and have never talked to him more than 20 minutes at a time.


101 posted on 10/15/2005 6:58:20 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I don't think anyone knows or cares. If she's married to her career, all the better.


102 posted on 10/15/2005 6:58:49 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

* Support VA beliefs & pass flag-burning ban amendment. (Apr 2000)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
* Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
* Rated 20% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

Hes got my vote! Hes strong on Abortion. I think he voted nay on the recent Gitmo treatment bill.


103 posted on 10/15/2005 6:59:22 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: Jim_Curtis

We just did a George Washington Bush, time to try a Thomas Jefferson Tancredo



Careful there are OBLoonies on this site and you might make them cry.


104 posted on 10/15/2005 6:59:39 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I hope he can pull it off. He has 3 more years of doing things that will make himself known to the general electorate........the Conservatives know him pretty well, I think. WOW! I just had a thought........Allen/Tancredo in '08......that is if Condi refuses to run in either spot.


105 posted on 10/15/2005 7:01:10 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Gipper08

Actually, if I picture Hillary debating either Allen or Pence, I see just so much carnage....she will be be obliterated...

First of all, she is irritating as heck to listen too...and she just doesn't have the emotional "calm" to debate someone, I don't think...she tends to get SHRILL...


106 posted on 10/15/2005 7:02:02 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: WorkingClassFilth

She would probably need to resign her position some time late next year or in early 2007 to start campaigning. I haven't seen any indication that she is preparing to do that. She would need to form a very good campaign staff and to do that she would a lot of time.


107 posted on 10/15/2005 7:02:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"One concern I have with Condi is the fact that she has never been married..."

She does date former SF 49'er wide receiver Gene Washington.


108 posted on 10/15/2005 7:03:19 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: vetsvette

I agree with most of what you say, but even with regards to the proper role of the Courts, Bush's fidelity to that cause depends entirely on Roberts,Miers (if she survives), and a third SCOTUS pick should he get it. W does not have the same excuses to fall back on that his father had with Souter (deception) and Reagan (Kennedy turning more liberal once safely on the Court). After going to bat for conservative appellate court nominees, Bush refused to do so for the Supreme Court.

So if either of Bush's picks turns out to be another decades-long mistake, then there will always be justified condemnation of him for not taking the opportunity to nominate a candidate with a better track-record, and then letting the dice fly. The only legitimate excuse for a mistake these days would be if Bush had put someone like Luttig or Brown or Garza on the High Court, and then he or she did the unlikely and turned left.


109 posted on 10/15/2005 7:03:25 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: West Coast Conservative

I really like Allen, he was a great governor for us.

Stiill, I wonder if his vote in favor of McCain's torture bill will hurt his chances next year.


110 posted on 10/15/2005 7:04:31 PM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: West Coast Conservative

That would be the best thing which had happened to the country since Teddy Roosevelt.


111 posted on 10/15/2005 7:04:44 PM PDT by holeinchilada
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To: Gipper08

I did not! I asked how Allen is to the RIGHT of Bush?




Which could be taken as a backhand.....Bush isn't the most conservative of politicians. Allen could almost sign on to reparations and still be to the right of Bush.


112 posted on 10/15/2005 7:05:37 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: takbodan

The only thing that will really matter is how the media portrays her.


113 posted on 10/15/2005 7:05:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: trubluolyguy
"Which could be taken as a backhand....."

It could be.However, I firmly believe that Allen and President Bush are VERY similar in there conservative world view.I simply do not believe Allen is more conservative in ANY way than President Bush.
114 posted on 10/15/2005 7:08:20 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: holdonnow

Go ALLEN is RIGHT!

Sen Allen spoke at the OK GOP Convention this spring and probably 99% of us were ready to go out and start working for him for 2008! Senators Inhofe and Coburn could not say enough good things about him and we know how conservative they are.


115 posted on 10/15/2005 7:08:55 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII MOM -- Allen in 2008!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
BEFORE she began her media circus he said "I would have met with her." Afterwards, he said no.

He never said Bush should meet with her.

And if I'm not mistaken, at that point she was implying that President Bush had never met with her.

116 posted on 10/15/2005 7:09:59 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Here's a good read for all those who think Allen is the 2nd coming of Reagan.
117 posted on 10/15/2005 7:10:18 PM PDT by harpu
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To: section9
#39
118 posted on 10/15/2005 7:11:42 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: pcottraux

A lot of Freepers laughed at me last November when I suggested he would be the leading candidate for '08... many were fixated on Condi or Jeb. I think if he gets someone really excellent to run as VP he'll be a very strong candidate who can bring out the conservative vote.


119 posted on 10/15/2005 7:11:59 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Thanks for posting that! I am totally impressed with the Senator and have already contributed to his campaign for Senate in preparation for his run in 2008 for President.


120 posted on 10/15/2005 7:12:17 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII MOM -- Allen in 2008!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

"I think he voted nay on the recent Gitmo treatment bill."

Unless he is allowed to revise and extend his votes,then he was not one of the 9 patriots who voted against this bill.


121 posted on 10/15/2005 7:14:15 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: takbodan

I thought Dr. Rice had dated Terrell Owen.


122 posted on 10/15/2005 7:16:01 PM PDT by lainie
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To: West Coast Conservative
Nor will he ever give up his chewing tobacco and spittoon,

I guess he will be giving up his jaw to cancer. What a neanderthal habit.

123 posted on 10/15/2005 7:16:20 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Stellar Dendrite
"Sen. George Allen Supports 'Hate Crimes' Bill"

This disqualifies him in my book. Then again, if Rudy, Condi and McCain are also candidates...

124 posted on 10/15/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by montag813
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To: HHKrepublican_2

These are the nine Patriots who voted no to the Gitmo torture amendment.



Sen. Tom Coburn (Okla.)
Sen. Kit Bond (MO)

Sen. Wayne Allard (CO)
Sen. Thad Cochran (Miss.)

Sen. John Cornyn (Tex.)

Sen. James M. Inhofe (Okla.)

Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.)

Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)

Sen. Ted Stevens (Alaska)


125 posted on 10/15/2005 7:18:13 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: traviskicks
[...]recalling that as governor of Virginia he found it helpful to “get your boots in the mud”.

I loved Allen's style as governor, but I'm not sure it would fly with the élites...it's more NASCAR than Escar(got). ;-) He has a common sense and conservatism that I think would really resonate across the country, but would drive the MSM absolutely bonkers. SNL would have a field day with him creating caricatures....we'd have our work cut out, but I think it would be worth it.

126 posted on 10/15/2005 7:19:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
I wouldn't worry about Bush's 45% approval numbers. Americans are known throughout the world as extremely impatient people. Everyone in America wants a functional democracy in Iraq NOW and everyone wants to start bring our troops home NOW. Everybody wants all the hurricane damage to oil platforms and oil refineries repaired immediately so gasoline drops back to $2.30 NOW. People want the stock market to have a big rally this month so they can start getting rich right now. Meanwhile the MSM is relentlessly attacking Bush and taking the most negative perspective it can take on Iraq, hurricane relief, and the economy.

What we need to turn this around and counter the MSM bias is some concrete results: troops withdrawals from Iraq and reduced spending in Iraq, gasoline back down to $2.30, an end to interest rate increases by the Fed, and rebuilding and renewal in Lousiana and Mississippi. All of these results should start to happen later this year and on into 2006. The first tangible result will probably be a decline in gasoline prices to $2.60 by December and $2.30 by March. After that, a lot depends on Iraq, but I believe we are turning the tide there in our favor (despite the hopelessly f***ed up MSM).

127 posted on 10/15/2005 7:24:08 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I disagree with Dick Morris' contention that Rice is the only one who could beat Hillary. I think Morris has a tendency to going to town with data that supports his contentions, and ignore that which disagree with it. I do agree that long-term demographic shifts favor the Democrats and the Left, but as with the last several decades, I think even in 2008 the nation will still naturally favor a conservative over a liberal in normal, stable circumstances.

Unfortunately, the potential seems higher than usual for big macro-condidtions to set up in favor of a leftist like Hillary, to push the electorate into voting against their natural inclination. Thankfully, we still have a little over 2 years for things to improve (by that I mean improve to the point where it would be hard for the media to credibly paint a picture of doom and gloom that only Saint Hillary could rescue us from).

I understand that people think a Rice candidacy could offset some of these things with an expected large draw from women and black voters. I don't believe for a second that Rice could win half of the black vote as some believe. I think that the natural desire of blacks to see a fellow African American ascend to the highest office would be offset by the inevitable demagoguery of her as a female Uncle Tom; by the time the Left and the NAACP got done with her she wouldn't be thought of as 'black', much like Clarence Thomas. Of course I'd be remiss to not acknowledge that Dem success generally relies on winning upwards of 90% of the black vote, so if she could just win 20 or 30% then maybe that would be enough to pick off some close states like Penn or Michigan.

As for women; well I don't really see why they would be more inclined to go with Rice over Hillary. While I agree with the conventional wisdom that VP's don't make much difference (with some exceptions of course, like LBJ and Texas), part of me thinks (or maybe hopes) that a Rice on the VP slot would help the GOP offset a possible Hillary landslide with women. I mean, having a credible and strong woman running as the VP would be quite novel as well (Ferraro doesn't fit that description), and again, it would set her up as an inevitable successor.

If the before-mentioned macro condidtions of our society are in good shape in 2008, and if Hillary has a good chance at winning, then I fear for the future because that would not speak well of where we stand as a nation.


128 posted on 10/15/2005 7:24:48 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

I don't agree with Morris either, but I do think Condi would vaporize the beast. Others might win, but Condi would be their kryptonite.

Women, for one, are not NOW dykes or monolithic idiots who do as they are programed by the MSM to do or think. In fact, most women still have the beast's number just as they did after her dismissive remarks about having better things to do than stay at home and bake cookies. A friend of mine described his wife's reaction the first time she saw the krintons on the tube before the '92 election. She walked in, looked at the image of the krintons and asked who the feminist was that hated her husband. BAM! Absolutely cold and she got the entire picture. Other do to, but leftist polls ignore it.

Blacks, too, will also resonate with Condi when her full story is known. The bogus krintonesque 'down home' BS will shrink before Condi's real claim to civil rights fame and black heritage. Even the rave baitors will take a backseat to a righteous woman like her. If they don't she'll have the full ability to b*tch slap them into eternity.

In the end, all I am saying is that Condi would win in a landslide. She is not the only electable candidate, though. For me, winning is important, but I want my nation's enemies skewered on a spit and roasted on the White House lawn and Condi is the one to do it as well as mix-up a BBQ sauce to serve them with..


129 posted on 10/15/2005 7:40:22 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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To: carl in alaska

All that requires lots and lots of spending. Make Libs Happy, but piss off Conservatives.


130 posted on 10/15/2005 7:42:01 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
I used to think Pence was someone I could support for 2008, but isn't he the co-author (along with DUmmie Chris Dodd) of the "Free Flow of Information Act"? A media shield bill which is unconstitutional on its face? A bill which Accuracy In Media even said "Media Shield Law Would Cover Al Qaeda".

We do need a real conservative in 2008, which is why Mike Pence needs to stay in the House (or perhaps go back to his radio show) so he has more time to read the Constitution and the First Amendment.

131 posted on 10/15/2005 7:44:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: StAnDeliver
Here you go again...Talking about a bill you know nothing about and haven't read.Pence's bill only duplicates the media shield law already in place in 31 states. Pence is doing this so if Hillary gets elected she can't throw Brit Hume and Bill Gertz in prison.Pence is not the co author...he wrote the whole thing. Congress shall Make NO LAW..... A free press is the ONLY check on corrupt Government in real time. WHAT is your specific problem with the bill??? WE MUST HACE LEAKERS come forward or BIg and Corrupt Government will be omnipotent!!!!!
132 posted on 10/15/2005 7:54:12 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: StAnDeliver
Here you go again...Talking about a bill you know nothing about and haven't read.Pence's bill only duplicates the media shield law already in place in 31 states. Pence is doing this so if Hillary gets elected she can't throw Brit Hume and Bill Gertz in prison.Pence is not the co author...he wrote the whole thing. Congress shall Make NO LAW..... A free press is the ONLY check on corrupt Government in real time. WHAT is your specific problem with the bill??? WE MUST HAVE LEAKERS come forward or BIg and Corrupt Government will be omnipotent!!!!!
133 posted on 10/15/2005 7:54:31 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08
Res ipsa loquitor -- the only thing more obnoxiously stupid than your answer is Pence's unconstitutional bill itself.
134 posted on 10/15/2005 7:57:51 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Gipper08
"No I am not Mike Pence! I have only met him 5 times and have never talked to him more than 20 minutes at a time."

Sounds like Bill O'Reilly's Andrea Mackris defense...

135 posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: SauronOfMordor

Chelsa exists because Bill forced himself upon Hillary one night.


136 posted on 10/15/2005 8:03:55 PM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Gipper08
I think President Bush and Senator Allen are about EQUALLY conservative.

Then you're thinking wrong. And you will NOT gain support for Pence by knocking down Allen. So for the final time, please stop it.

137 posted on 10/15/2005 8:07:32 PM PDT by jla
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To: section9
George Allen, you are on my do not call list

Did you consult with your Japanese cartoon friends before you made this decision?

Be seein' you,
Jeff

138 posted on 10/15/2005 8:11:48 PM PDT by jla
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To: Mia T

fyi :^)


139 posted on 10/15/2005 8:12:08 PM PDT by jla
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To: pcottraux

Still, that's not nearly as bad as some things other candidates have done.

That doesn't mean we can't do better.


140 posted on 10/15/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by Just Lori (Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"It is not a trait that endears Allen to neoconservatives, who regard him as intellectually vapid and ideologically bland."

I've been hearing conservatives I know push Allen for awhile. I'd like to hear more of his ideas. I'm skeptical so far.

His father, also George Allen, was, I think, coach of the Washington Redskins. He wears cowboy boots, is not a Dallas Cowboy.


141 posted on 10/15/2005 8:13:58 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: buckeyesrule

"I agree with what Rush said about him the other day."

What?


142 posted on 10/15/2005 8:15:09 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: kublia khan

"I live in VA I'm sith you brother, George as a good man but he ain't the man if you know what I mean."

Please expand. What people in the home state think is important.


143 posted on 10/15/2005 8:16:51 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Spanaway Lori

"That doesn't mean we can't do better."

I doubt we can find an electable Republican with a perfect conservative voting record.


144 posted on 10/15/2005 8:16:52 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Gipper08

"Mike Pence"

Who?


145 posted on 10/15/2005 8:18:43 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Txsleuth


"I think that even though there is a "bias" against Senators, the fact that he was a Governor first, should help him."

It's more than that. The bias against Senators is that they don't have major administrative experience (ie, they were not governers). He was, so that is no problem at all. Senate experience is, in fact a big plus, since knowing how the Senate works (like Bush doesn't) is important.


146 posted on 10/15/2005 8:20:59 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: DLfromthedesert

"He's better than McCain or Frist, that's for sure."

Faint praise.


147 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:25 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Allen/Rice ... That's my pick right now. We'll see how things progress.


148 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:58 PM PDT by Tim n Texas
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To: Corin Stormhands

" That said, no one has seen the destruction the Gulf did this summer."

Frankly, I don't like the Katrina crack. Wrong kind of "meanness".


149 posted on 10/15/2005 8:23:16 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

" * Rated 67% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)"

Yes. Now I remember. I looked at the voting record website. His voting record is fantastic. Completely conservative.

He gets every point in that regard.


150 posted on 10/15/2005 8:27:03 PM PDT by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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