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Cowboy George (Allen) hailed as the Reagan for í08
Sunday Times ^ | October 16, 2005 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 10/15/2005 6:03:01 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A TOBACCO chewing, horse-riding, cowboy boot wearing politician called George could be the Republican party’s choice for president in 2008. With George W Bush in political freefall, speculation is intensifying about his successor. The rising star among conservatives is George Allen, senator for Virginia and former governor of the state.

The son of a famous American football coach, Allen is a minor figure compared with prominent rivals such as Senator John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, but he is more politically mainstream and potentially acceptable to Republican stalwarts.

Bruce Allen, general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers pro-football team, has no doubt that his elder brother can go all the way to the White House. “He has always been a leader,” he said. “I would never underestimate what he is able to do. He’s very real and that’s what makes him special.”

Those close to Allen’s unofficial campaign place his chances of winning his party’s nomination at 60-40. Although no senator has won the presidency since John F Kennedy, Allen has hands-on experience as a governor and a folksy, populist touch.

No matter how smart his suit and tie, he is never separated from his “lucky” cowboy boots. Nor will he ever give up his chewing tobacco and spittoon, according to an insider, although he is said to be a Virginia gentleman rather than a Texas swaggerer like Bush.

Sean Hannity, an influential right-wing radio and television host, has been boosting Allen’s prospects by comparing him with Ronald Reagan, a friend of Allen’s father, and declaring him capable of winning every state in the South against Hillary Clinton, the Democrat favourite.

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To: DLfromthedesert
I dare say if Mrs. Schlafly has her way Mike Pence will be the next President of the United States.
51 posted on 10/15/2005 6:31:53 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I can't remember why now, but Allen disappointed me as governor (when I lived in VA).

With George W Bush in political freefall

??

52 posted on 10/15/2005 6:32:05 PM PDT by lainie
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To: DLfromthedesert
The problem is that Allen campaigned against signing such legislation.

He did use some weasel words as to why he supported the bill.

53 posted on 10/15/2005 6:32:10 PM PDT by OldFriend (Corine Lombardo ~ American Patriot)
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To: vetsvette
"Bush isn't to the right of anybody on anything except Roe, tax policy, the proper role of the courts and national defense. On everything else he's a liberal.

It isn't all that hard to be to the right of Bush."

I am not disagreeing with what you have just said,however, I still disagree that Allen is to the right of Bush
54 posted on 10/15/2005 6:33:36 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Txsleuth
I wonder if Virginia has ever had the destruction that the Gulf did this summer, while he was in charge...AS GOVERNOR...which means it was MORE his job than the POTUS'.

Hurricane Fran September 1996. Category 3 hurricane strikes North Carolina and Virginia, over 10-inch 24-hour rains in some locations and extensive agricultural and other losses; over $5.0 (5.8) billion damage/costs; 37 deaths.

That said, no one has seen the destruction the Gulf did this summer.

55 posted on 10/15/2005 6:34:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, Iím not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: OldFriend
"He's the candidate of the month.
So far he's not kept his campaign promises"

Sorry I do not follow.Who didn't keep their promises?
56 posted on 10/15/2005 6:35:07 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: West Coast Conservative

No thanks. Allen is okay, that is all.


57 posted on 10/15/2005 6:35:16 PM PDT by maxter
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To: ClaireSolt

If Republicans can find a Charismatic Bush Doctrine, Reagan Domestic, we'll be in business.


58 posted on 10/15/2005 6:35:27 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Allen's interesting, but it's too early to tell. I did like his comment, I think it was during John Bolton's confirmation hearings, about sipping tea at the UN with pinkies in the air.


59 posted on 10/15/2005 6:36:22 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2; maxter

Mike Pence


60 posted on 10/15/2005 6:36:33 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: jocon307
"Democrats are pressing Ben Affleck, the Hollywood actor, to stand against [Allen, for Senate]."


61 posted on 10/15/2005 6:36:47 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, Iím not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: pcottraux
"Still not as bad"

Why settle for less? I like Sen Allen, but he is another
unknown. And the "hate crimes" laws are a slanted joke.

He should know better.....
62 posted on 10/15/2005 6:36:51 PM PDT by p[adre29 (Arma in armatos)
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To: Gipper08

Bush has had a hard time , but hes been in desperate times. The only thing hes dissapointed me on is the Borders, which is the only thing he did wrong with no excuse.


63 posted on 10/15/2005 6:37:02 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: OldFriend

I know; that bothered me. I think he's a good senator, but we need someone who can strongly articulate the conservative position and stand up for his (or her) positions.


64 posted on 10/15/2005 6:37:31 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
i used to think allen was someone i could support for 2008 but...didnt allen want bush to meet with cindy?

Yes, he wanted Bush to meet with Cindy. Meeting with Cindy is like meeting with David Duke or a representative of the American Nazi Party. Republican Senators with more than a brain stem shouldn't ask for Republican Presidents to meet with antiwar, pro-terrorist anti-Semites.

George Allen, you are on my do not call list.

Condi '08.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

65 posted on 10/15/2005 6:37:42 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: West Coast Conservative

We just did a George Washington Bush, time to try a Thomas Jefferson Tancredo


66 posted on 10/15/2005 6:37:47 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: West Coast Conservative
I think Allen has some great qualities.

He is definitely 'real people', he routinely invokes a Jeffersonian model of conservatism, and he is straightforward, not a shmoozer.

67 posted on 10/15/2005 6:38:13 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: West Coast Conservative

George Allen on Abortion
Click here for 3 full quotes on Abortion OR background on Abortion.

* Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Budget & Economy
Click here for the full quote on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.

* Authored Balanced Budget Amendment plus lower taxes. (Apr 2000)

George Allen on Civil Rights
Click here for 5 full quotes on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.

* Support VA beliefs & pass flag-burning ban amendment. (Apr 2000)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
* Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
* Rated 20% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

George Allen on Corporations
Click here for 2 full quotes on Corporations OR background on Corporations.

* Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
* Rated 100% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Crime
Click here for 2 full quotes on Crime OR background on Crime.

* Abolished parole; instituted Three Strikes laws. (Sep 2000)
* Try juvenile felons as adults. (Sep 2000)

George Allen on Drugs
Click here for the full quote on Drugs OR background on Drugs.

* Tougher sentencing for drug crimes. (Sep 2000)

George Allen on Education
Click here for 5 full quotes on Education OR background on Education.

* Testing has brought accountability. (Sep 2000)
* Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
* Rated 27% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Energy & Oil
Click here for 6 full quotes on Energy & Oil OR background on Energy & Oil.

* Roll back federal gas tax to lower gas price. (Apr 2000)
* Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
* Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
* Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
* Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
* Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)

George Allen on Environment
Click here for 2 full quotes on Environment OR background on Environment.

* Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
* Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Families & Children
Click here for the full quote on Families & Children OR background on Families & Children.

* Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Foreign Policy
Click here for the full quote on Foreign Policy OR background on Foreign Policy.

* Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)

George Allen on Free Trade
Click here for 6 full quotes on Free Trade OR background on Free Trade.

* Voted YES on establishing a free trade agreement between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on establishing a free trade agreement between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Rated 67% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

George Allen on Government Reform
Click here for 3 full quotes on Government Reform OR background on Government Reform.

* Voted NO on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
* Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
* Voted NO on banning campaign donations from unions and corporations. (Apr 2001)

George Allen on Gun Control
Click here for the full quote on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.

* Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)

George Allen on Health Care
Click here for 5 full quotes on Health Care OR background on Health Care.

* Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
* Voted YES on allowing importation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
* Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
* Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
* Rated 0% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Homeland Security
Click here for 3 full quotes on Homeland Security OR background on Homeland Security.

* Build SDI; pay soldiers more. (Sep 2000)
* Small business in developing homeland security technologies. (Jul 2002)
* Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Immigration
Click here for background on Immigration.

No stance on record.

George Allen on Jobs
Click here for 2 full quotes on Jobs OR background on Jobs.

* Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
* Rated 0% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-labor voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Principles & Values
Click here for the full quote on Principles & Values OR background on Principles & Values.

* Calls himself “Common sense” conservative populist. (Apr 2000)

George Allen on Social Security
Click here for the full quote on Social Security OR background on Social Security.

* Rated 0% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Tax Reform
Click here for 6 full quotes on Tax Reform OR background on Tax Reform.

* End death tax & marriage penalty; more deductions. (Apr 2000)
* Voted YES on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
* Voted YES on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
* Rated 76% by NTU, indicating a "Taxpayer's Friend" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on Technology
Click here for 2 full quotes on Technology OR background on Technology.

* Voted NO on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003)
* Fund nanotechnology research & development. (Dec 2003)

George Allen on War & Peace
Click here for 3 full quotes on War & Peace OR background on War & Peace.

* Voted YES on $86.5 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
* Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
* Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)

George Allen on Welfare & Poverty
Click here for 2 full quotes on Welfare & Poverty OR background on Welfare & Poverty.

* Minor mothers must live at home & identify fathers. (Sep 2000)
* Tax credits to promite home ownership in distressed areas. (Apr 2003)


68 posted on 10/15/2005 6:39:27 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: West Coast Conservative

McLame, Rudy or Allen?

I don't ask who can beat "The Beast", I ask is Allen the conservative? If the nominee is a conservative, sign me up to work for him/her.

Mclame and Rudy can take a powder.


69 posted on 10/15/2005 6:39:36 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: section9
Yes, he wanted Bush to meet with Cindy.

He never said that.

70 posted on 10/15/2005 6:39:51 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (You are stuck on stupid, Iím not going to answer that question ~ General Honore)
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To: Gipper08
I still disagree that Allen is to the right of Bush

The Boston Globe sure wants people to think so.

(from Political Roads blog)

This Boston Globe article looks at the 2008 Republican race and suggests that seven of the eight candidates they analyze (Allen, McCain, Hagel, Gingrich, Romney, Frist, Pataki, and Giuliani) are looking to position themselves left of Bush, particularly on two issues:

The first is a shift in approach on Iraq, to emphasize pragmatism over ideology.The second course correction seems to be an inching away from the religious right.

The lone exception: George Allen. The Boston Globe's characterization of Allen:

He is blunt and direct, he pays homage to the wisdom of the common man, and he pursues a staunch conservative agenda.

Given Bush's standing in the polls, distancing from Bush may be a sound strategy for the moment. But Allen may stand first in our Republican survey for this reason: he is distinct from the field in this regard.

Of course, one of the elements to consider is the three years before the election. Bush may look differently in twelve to eighteen months and the current siutation in Iraq may move towards some resolution.

71 posted on 10/15/2005 6:40:42 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Jim_Curtis
I would love to try Tancredo, however he himself said him winning was not in the cards and he even called in "absurd".Tancredo has told people he will not run if Mike Pence does.Mike Pence can win,Tom Tancredo has said that he cannot.We should put our focus behind Pence.
72 posted on 10/15/2005 6:41:27 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: section9
Yes, Bush was wise not to give in on the pressure to meet with that witch.

For Heaven's sake, Allen should know better.

73 posted on 10/15/2005 6:42:39 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Hillary is no more qualified and a hell of a lot more destructive.




Everyone who is NOT sick of voting for the lesser of two pieces of feces chime in.


74 posted on 10/15/2005 6:43:08 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: Gipper08

I agree with you...and I keep vascillating between Allen and Pence...

I haven't found anything that I don't like about Pence...and I have severaly questions about Allen...

BUT, the question of whether Mike will be able to get the "face time" and notoriety that he will need soon enough.

I know that Clinton "came out of nowhere" to beat Bush 41, but, I don't know who could come out of nowhere and make a hugh splash...

However, if Mike is getting interveiwed for Rush's newsletter, I would say that is a TERRIFIC start...and he needs to keep getting Rush's attention.

Rush is like Oprah of the conservatives....one mention by him is worth a LOT of votes...


75 posted on 10/15/2005 6:43:12 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Gipper08

"I am not disagreeing with what you have just said,however, I still disagree that Allen is to the right of Bush"

Well, he's at least as conservative as Bush on all of the issues I mentioned, plus he's a fiscal conservative. That's not a bad start for someone to be more conservative than Bush. LOL


76 posted on 10/15/2005 6:43:21 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"With George W Bush in political freefall...

Clueless Brits.

77 posted on 10/15/2005 6:43:24 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean is a Rove plant, Rove is a NeoCon plant, NeoCons are Trilateralist plants....)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Oh, I don't do that any more. I enjoy a laugh and, 'just having fun at the expense of politicians...."Hey now baby, step into my big black car".

PC is BS and it doesn't mean sh-t to me either as I try to ignore it.


78 posted on 10/15/2005 6:45:00 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: DLfromthedesert
"...but we need someone who can strongly articulate the conservative position and stand up for his (or her) positions."

Exactly. CHENEY.

79 posted on 10/15/2005 6:45:33 PM PDT by maxter
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To: Gipper08

Mike Pence in 2008/

So you think Allen is to the right of Bush??? I strongly disagree with that.




I understand you like Pence, so do I but lets not talk down other possible candidates before the primaries even start and Mike Pence hasn't even put his hat in the ring yet.


80 posted on 10/15/2005 6:45:42 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: Txsleuth
His brother is GM of Tampa Bay Buccaneers...another POTUS with a brother in Florida....now we need his bro to run for Gov.!!! LOL

ROFLOL!!

81 posted on 10/15/2005 6:47:12 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I like Allen and so far I think is leading in the possible candidates

Though I am not sure that I would put him in the category of Reagan just yet

82 posted on 10/15/2005 6:47:19 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Txsleuth

Well you should know that Allen HAS gotten face time and is polling very low in ALL early primary states(he is still the frontrunner).I have no doubt that Pence can and will create face time whenever he wants,however,he will not force it and will do it when the time is right.It is my opinion that you get Pence into a debate with the other contenders and he will blow them all away.


83 posted on 10/15/2005 6:47:24 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I don't think the majority of the voters think about these things the way we do. I see the leftist media portraying the Arkansas hillbilly sociopaths as the perfect couple, while at the same time making subtle comments about Condi's marital status. And I think that the "average" uninformed voter would fall for it.

If you don't believe me, ask someone you know who is not very interested in politics (and yet still votes) and doesn't get their news from the internet or Fox News what "Able Danger" is, chances are they will have absolutely no idea.

84 posted on 10/15/2005 6:47:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: trubluolyguy

I did not! I asked how Allen is to the RIGHT of Bush?


85 posted on 10/15/2005 6:48:18 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: wagglebee

Women and blacks will have very clear information regardless of what the idiots in the MSM say.


86 posted on 10/15/2005 6:49:49 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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To: vetsvette

I think President Bush and Senator Allen are about EQUALLY conservative. I do not think anyone could make the case that Allen is even nominally to the right of Bush.I think their conservative philosophy is very similar.


87 posted on 10/15/2005 6:51:39 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: WorkingClassFilth; buckeyesrule

If anything, Rice should be Allen's VP running mate. Rice is very impressive, we all know that, but she's never put herself out there for elected office, and with the exception of Second Amendment issues, she's probably liberal on social issues. She supported racial preferences in the University of Michigan case (though to be fair, so did Bush when he sided with his buddy Alberto Gonzales over Ted Olson, and the party leadership is probably about to surrender on this as they have on immigration). And her comments on abortion haven't exactly been reassuring.

In a general election, it is easy to see Rice holding most of the red states IF her opponent is Hillary, but I don't think she'd necessarily be in a better position than Allen to hold Florida, or Ohio, or Nevada, or Iowa, or Colorado, or Arizona, or New Mexico.

The only way Rice (or McCain/Giuliani) would have a good chance at getting the nomination is if they promised to appoint Scalia/Thomas type judges to the Supreme Court. Of course, who knows how much stock will be put into such promises in the wake of Bush opting not to fulfill that very same promise with his first two SCOTUS picks (yeah I know, Roberts may be great, but he did not have as impressive a record as other candidates in terms of an identifiable originalist/strict constructionist track record).

If Rice were to run as a VP candidate with a conservative at the top of the ticket, and if that ticket won, then she'd obviously be in position to run at the top 8 years later. She is young enough to wait.

It is a bit disappointing to see Allen going along with some unnecessary hate crimes bill, but that's probably another lost cause. Its just near-impossible to use reason and logic in the face of something labeled a bill against 'hate'. Emotion will trump reason almost everytime. Otherwise, Allen seems as good or better than most of the other credible GOP candidates for 08.

Lets just hope that in 08 Iraq isn't a mess, and that the economy isn't weak, and that gas prices have come back down to a level that most Americans find comfortable; otherwise we could face the horror of President Hillary.


88 posted on 10/15/2005 6:51:39 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Mo1
Though I am not sure that I would put him in the category of Reagan just yet

I wouldn't either. I found that to be a big stretch. At this point, I'd support Allen if Condi decides not to run. But, if she does decide, then I gotta go with Condi in '08.

89 posted on 10/15/2005 6:51:53 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I don't see the GOP base supporting Rice in the primaries, what she has said is far more pro-abortion than anything we have ever heard about Harriet Miers and look what has happened to her.


90 posted on 10/15/2005 6:52:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Paleo Conservative

LOL! A winner for sure, but don't get too smug about it. Ten thousand other Freepers with slower fingers and server service than your's were typing the same thing.


91 posted on 10/15/2005 6:52:58 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Don't quag Miers!!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

He has my early support of the known contenders for 08. He seems to be the most conservative. We will need the base in 08 to fight off the Hillary/Richardson ticket


92 posted on 10/15/2005 6:53:38 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hurricanes are “easy to prepare for”, Allen said bluntly, recalling that as governor of Virginia he found it helpful to “get your boots in the mud”.
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I hope he was talking about Lousiana, not criticizing Bush...


93 posted on 10/15/2005 6:55:01 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Not if God is gracious....
She would set the conservative support back by about 10 years.


94 posted on 10/15/2005 6:55:17 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Gipper08
I would love to try Tancredo, however he himself said him winning was not in the cards and he even called in "absurd".Tancredo has told people he will not run if Mike Pence does.

I've noticed that he probably doesn't want it...that does nothing to deter me from believing that he might be the one who should have it. I'd give much consideration to who he endorses if he decides not to run. I've seen his principles in action for a long time...when many of these others were ducking in the weeds.

Tancredo speaks out like normal people would if they had that position.

95 posted on 10/15/2005 6:55:39 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Aetius

Well said and I agree with most of what you say. The only thing I hold concerning Condi is that she would smash Hillary into a grease spot on the pavement - in fact, the clintons would be reduced to absolute zeros since their leash on power would be completely nutralized.


96 posted on 10/15/2005 6:56:09 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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To: traviskicks

Any news on the FEC and the Club for Growth?


97 posted on 10/15/2005 6:56:15 PM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08

I dare say if Mrs. Schlafly has her way Mike Pence will be the next President of the United States.



Ok, I'll bite...are YOU Mike Pence? It seems you mention that name in every post I see. So you either are him or you are a breathing, typing, political ad for him.


98 posted on 10/15/2005 6:56:36 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Do you think that Condi, as a single person, would have a problem against Hillay, a woman without a husband by normal standards and a strongly suspected lesbian?

Hillery may be AC/DC, but the existence of Chelsea indicates that she isn't a pure lesbian

Condi, on the other hand: who has any info on Condi being in any sort of relationship with anyone? Is she asexual, or just extraordinarily discrete?

99 posted on 10/15/2005 6:56:51 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: wagglebee

Against the beast and with a promise to faithfully support the platform, she would carry the day.


100 posted on 10/15/2005 6:57:21 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Pork the dorks - nominate Bork!)
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