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Teacher dismissed over refusal to display flag
WTNH Television ^ | 10/16/2005 | Puppage

Posted on 10/16/2005 7:38:00 AM PDT by Puppage

(Bridgeport-AP, Oct. 15, 2005 11:20 AM) _ A teacher at Kolbe-Cathedral High School in Bridgeport has been fired for refusing to display an American flag in his classroom.

Stephen Kobasa says he's never seen a new diocese policy on the flag in writing. He says displaying the flag violates a deeply held religious conviction that flags are about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression.

Kobasa says he offered a compromise in which he agreed to display the flag at the start of the school day so students could say the Pledge of Allegiance if they wanted. Then he would remove the flag.

But the diocesan superintendent rejected that compromise.

Joseph McAleer, spokesman for the Diocese of Bridgeport, says it's diocesan policy not to comment on personnel issues.

Kobasa had also appealed directly to Bishop William E. Lori but did not receive a response.

Although he filed a grievance with the diocesan school district, Kobasa said he has no plans to file a lawsuit.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; antiflag; brainwashing; catholicchurch; catholics; catholicschool; indoctrination; oldglory; pledge; privateschool; religion; unamerican

1 posted on 10/16/2005 7:38:01 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage
Stephen Kobasa says he's never seen a new diocese policy on the flag in writing.

Then someone should immediately show him a copy, and have him sign a statement verifying that he read it. If he chooses not to comply, ZOT!

2 posted on 10/16/2005 7:40:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Puppage
"Kobasa says ... he would remove the flag."

AMF

3 posted on 10/16/2005 7:41:16 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: Puppage

America, love it or leave it. Amazing how so many hate it but fail to ever leave.


4 posted on 10/16/2005 7:43:10 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Puppage

Get yourself a job at a public school,pal.You'll fit right in!


5 posted on 10/16/2005 7:43:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: bruoz

This is about insubordination.


6 posted on 10/16/2005 7:44:06 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: Puppage
A teacher at Kolbe-Cathedral High School in Bridgeport has been fired for refusing to display an American flag in his classroom.

Well good! Thank God for private schools!

Now if this was a government run school system in the U.S. the teacher would be praised, possibly promoted to principal, if he took the U.S. flag down and burned it in front of the students. In a properly equipped lab, while not smoking a cigarette, of course.

7 posted on 10/16/2005 7:45:37 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Puppage

For being a supporter of one-world government, this guy sure thinks he's king of the classroom.


8 posted on 10/16/2005 7:46:30 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Puppage

Is this the same Stephen Kobasa?

http://www.al-awda.org/mediacoverageofeventsinct/

(at end of article)


10 posted on 10/16/2005 7:48:55 AM PDT by seasaidh
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To: seasaidh

Meant at the end of the first section.


11 posted on 10/16/2005 7:50:51 AM PDT by seasaidh
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To: Puppage
He says displaying the flag violates a deeply held religious conviction that flags are about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression.

I wonder which religion he's refering to.

12 posted on 10/16/2005 7:51:01 AM PDT by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: Puppage
Kobasa says he offered a compromise in which he agreed to display the flag at the start of the school day so students could say the Pledge of Allegiance if they wanted. Then he would remove the flag.

Out of sight, out of mind.

There are those who would like to see all public visible signs of faith disappear as well (nothing in your front yard, no crosses, or t-shirts, or bumper stickers; this goes far beyond "government property"). That secular flag stands for a nation founded on the right to practice a faith without oppression. Look at the history of Europe where a nation was expected to convert from Catholicism to Protestantism and back depending on who was in power.

13 posted on 10/16/2005 7:51:02 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: Puppage
...He says displaying the flag violates a deeply held religious conviction that flags are about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression. ...

What religion is that? The church of the ACLU?

14 posted on 10/16/2005 7:51:12 AM PDT by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss I don't know what is.)
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To: airborne

Karl Marx's Church of Socialism maybe.


15 posted on 10/16/2005 7:53:24 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: seasaidh
The guy can think what he wants and even spout off about it. But he was hired to teach a class on certain subject matter. The display of the U.S. flag have nothing to do with his desires. Glad to see him get fired!

Let's see remove God from the classroom, then the symbols of America and all you have left are the political views of some idiot like this. Sounds like college!

17 posted on 10/16/2005 7:54:32 AM PDT by Tactical
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To: seasaidh
...Is this the same Stephen Kobasa? ...

Sounds like it.

I'm betting this flag deal is not the first run-in he's had with school officials.

18 posted on 10/16/2005 7:54:40 AM PDT by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss I don't know what is.)
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To: aimhigh
For being a supporter of one-world government, this guy sure thinks he's king of the classroom.

You are correct. That is his problem.
He views the world from a throne, his own personal throne.

19 posted on 10/16/2005 7:55:14 AM PDT by starfish923 (It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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To: Puppage

Seems that Kobasa’s “deeply held religious conviction” is that he is “about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression”.


20 posted on 10/16/2005 7:57:39 AM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: Puppage

more; previously, at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502976/posts


21 posted on 10/16/2005 7:59:38 AM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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He should be fired. We have plenty of anti-american liberals in our classrooms already. We don't need another one. A pathetic excuse for an educator.


22 posted on 10/16/2005 7:59:47 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: seasaidh

Good find!


23 posted on 10/16/2005 8:00:23 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Open Borders: The RINOcracy waging class warfare against American wage earners)
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To: starfish923
It goes to show, that a good a$$whoopin at an earlier age can and does center ones perception of life.
This guy missed the opportunity
24 posted on 10/16/2005 8:02:38 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Puppage

HA-HA..... Your fired because your an idiot.

25 posted on 10/16/2005 8:03:00 AM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Puppage
What are these one world govt people going to do when the Muslims start car bombing their govt buildings?
26 posted on 10/16/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: WesternPacific

"This is about insubordination."

Nah, this is about moral fitness to be a teacher.


27 posted on 10/16/2005 8:06:56 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Tax-chick

He is mentally ill. Fire him, and get him help.


28 posted on 10/16/2005 8:08:42 AM PDT by calrighty ( Terrorists are like cockroaches . Kill em all soon!!)
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To: Robe

"It goes to show, that a good a$$whoopin at an earlier age can and does center ones perception of life.
This guy missed the opportunity"

So did Bill Maher : )


29 posted on 10/16/2005 8:09:42 AM PDT by calrighty ( Terrorists are like cockroaches . Kill em all soon!!)
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To: Robe
It goes to show, that a good a$$whoopin at an earlier age can and does center ones perception of life.
This guy missed the opportunity

Well put.

30 posted on 10/16/2005 8:14:03 AM PDT by starfish923 (It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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To: Puppage

About time we got to chalk one up in the good guys column. To the loser who was fired: Adios Commie Pig.


31 posted on 10/16/2005 8:15:53 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: Puppage
da-da-da-da I can't understand why their picking on me! da-da-da-da- they didn't show me the new policy!

KA-KA-KAUSE Your STUPID That's Why. It's been the Dioceses policy since this guy



Pius PP. X (Giuseppe Sarto) Reign 1903 1914

32 posted on 10/16/2005 8:24:59 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Puppage

He does not own the classroom
The Catholic Parrish does

He is free to work or not work in that environment
If he has a sufficient moral compunction against the
Flag of the host country he lives within
He is free to leave the room / school / church / country

It least this is true in the United States


33 posted on 10/16/2005 8:27:28 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Puppage
"He says displaying the flag violates a deeply held religious conviction that flags are about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression."

Depends on where the flag is displayed and the circumstance.

On the battlefield, damn straight it's about aggression and where superiority will be decided, as in 'Don't Tread On Me' and 'Don't Mess With Texas.' Violate that and risk being on the receiving end of the mother of all aggression, for 'These Colors Don't Run.'

Off the battlefield, it's a constant reminder that citizenship comes with responsibilities and that freedom is not free. Part of that freedom is the choice not to display the flag on your own property.

I can appreciate some of the sentiments of the preacher, but it's not his call. But there is a way out here. Display the church Flag in the superior position and the Flag of our country on the right.

The U.S. Navy does it at times, aboard ships during church services. Even our military subscribes to the motto, "God and Country," in that order.

There is another way out for the preacher. Let him build your own church and do what he wants. Then he can exercise his rights without violating the rights of others.

34 posted on 10/16/2005 8:30:26 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Puppage
He says displaying the flag violates a deeply held religious conviction that flags are about separation, assertions of superiority and aggression.

That's weird. Patriotism--correctly expressed--is considered a virtue by orthodox Catholics. It wouldn't surprise me, however, if this dude was the cafeteria-Catholic type. God bless the school principal and bishop's decision!
35 posted on 10/16/2005 8:33:51 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Puppage

This guy is a loser! Nobody should require a written code to support an American flag in the classroom. Fire this teacher and be done with him. Kids should not be exposed to that kind of "teacher think".


36 posted on 10/16/2005 8:40:06 AM PDT by FOXFANVOX (Tony Snow Fan!)
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To: Puppage

Open warfare against the Roman Catholic church continues in the classrooms. Where are the parents, AGAIN???


37 posted on 10/16/2005 8:40:36 AM PDT by ishabibble
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38 posted on 10/16/2005 8:48:13 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: tscislaw

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/CtC/inthemilitary.html

Also the same guy?

He smells of moonbat.


39 posted on 10/16/2005 8:59:43 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Source: http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/CtC/inthemilitary.html

Brothers and Sisters in the Military:
"Refuse to Fight! Refuse to Kill!"

You are being ordered to war by a President who was never elected, who has never fought in a war, and who is saying that it is acceptable to use nuclear weapons.

You are being ordered to war in the footsteps of veterans, who, more than 10 years ago, were sent to fight the first Gulf War. Many of those vets returned with severe and unacknowledged illnesses. Many gave birth to severely deformed children. Many were abandoned by the Veterans Administration.

You are being ordered to war by the most powerful nation on earth. You are being ordered to war by a nation with the most destructive weapons ever conceived, developed, deployed or used.

You are being ordered to war by a nation whose self-acknowledged posture is that of world domination, mastery, control. This nation can have no moral justification for war.

We, the undersigned, are convinced that war is the greatest evil on earth.
We believe that humankind must end war, or war will end humankind, and, in fact, all of creation. Our convictions have driven us time and again to the Pentagon, White House and Congress in acts of civil resistance to war.
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Leave the military before it is too late.
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As you consider this plea, we ask that you reflect:
Is non-cooperation more difficult than fighting in war?
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Section 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally (a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or
Influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "military or naval forces of the United States" includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.
Section 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally (a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or Influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "military or naval forces of the United States" includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.


40 posted on 10/16/2005 9:02:26 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/ross966.htm

He Is Also An Anti Death Penalty activist.
Among those against executing murderers was Sister Eileen Reilly, of the School Sisters of Notre Dame in Wilton. "I am just so adamantly opposed to the state of Connecticut taking anyone's life in my name," she said, at the Somers Congregational Church, where about 150 people were in attendance at an interfaith vigil at 11 p.m. Thursday. "The state of Connecticut is saying we are doing this and I need to stand up and say not me.' "Violence begets violence," she added. Reilly said the whole Northeast was watching Connecticut, and she feared that executions might spread to other New England states. Also, at the church was Stephen Kobasa of Bridgeport, a teacher at Kolbe-Cathedral High School. "You start with your own conscious & To refuse to be associated with this; to refuse the state's direction that somehow this is done in our name," he said. "Just the very idea of knowing you're going at a particular day and hour, I mean, I don't think one can imagine what that must mean to the psyche," he said. "How does one bear that knowledge." If the execution takes place, Kobasa said, "I'm hopeful that the horror that will accompany the reality renews people's commitment to the abolition of the death penalty." Kobasa said people don't want to look at Ross as a human being, but as a "demon or animal" and, thus, fit for killing.

41 posted on 10/16/2005 9:08:24 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Anti Military


http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/5456/1/222/
USS Jimmy Carter Peace activists from around Connecticut marched to the Main Gate of the Electric Boat shipyard in Groton June 5 to protest an event celebrating the U.S. Navy’s most advanced fast-attack submarine, the USS Jimmy Carter. Six people at the peaceful protest were arrested after they crossed police lines to urge guests to boycott the ceremony. Trident Resistance Network Coordinator Steven Kobasa described the Seawolf-class submarine as the “newest model for future military intervention by the U.S.: efficient, covert, and able to operate at a vast distance.” The $4.4 billion vessel will be equipped with an expansive arsenal of torpedoes and cruise missiles, he added. Demonstrators carried large banners calling attention to U.S. war crimes in Iraq, handed out leaflets, and chanted, “Money for schools, jobs, and health-care – not war!” Kobasa told reporters, “In these days of endless war I think it is absolutely crucial that people be here to say no.” Demonstrators criticized former President Jimmy Carter – who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 – for being both pleased and honored at having the ship christened with his name. As Kobasa wrote in a letter to the editor of the New London Day, “What honor will there be when we count the dead of future wars waged with this terrible weapon in (Carter’s) name?”

42 posted on 10/16/2005 9:11:07 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Tax-chick

http://www.ratemyteachers.com/schools/connecticut/bridgeport/kolbe_cathedral_high_school/stephen__kobasa/parent_ratings

he he he.... Freep this moron's ratings.


43 posted on 10/16/2005 9:18:26 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: airborne

Jehovahs Witnesses don't and won't display flags. I can't think of any other.


44 posted on 10/16/2005 9:19:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Puppage

Yes, Stephen, there are a lot of flag-waving idiots out there. People who generally ignore the flag and what it stands for, rallying around it when it suits their mood and purpose. The mass mentality, as opposed to individual dedication and lifelong contribution to the society represented by that flag. You did say "flags", and there are too many examples of this all around the world.

And there are simpletons who seem to think our country represents "... separation, assertions of superiority and aggression..." toward other nations. You'd have been better off displaying the flag, and pointing out that it should be a symbol of the ongoing unity and individual committment to a commmon good within a nation. You'd have a job where you could teach your students about the dedication and effort required of each one of them. But perhaps that violates your convictions, too?



"Kobasa said he has no plans to file a lawsuit."

Even though you've been separated from the school, superiorly and aggressively?


45 posted on 10/16/2005 9:28:09 AM PDT by USMCPOP
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

"Now if this was a government run school system in the U.S. the teacher would be praised, possibly promoted to principal, if he took the U.S. flag down and burned it in front of the students. In a properly equipped lab, while not smoking a cigarette, of course."

Not where I live.


46 posted on 10/16/2005 12:54:03 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: Puppage
Stephen Kobasa says he's never seen a new diocese policy on the flag in writing.

Stephen : Show me the policy that says I have to fly the flag !

Admin : Its over there.

Stephen : But all I see is the door

Admin : Exactly. Try not to let it hit you in the but on the way out.
47 posted on 10/16/2005 6:41:41 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

48 posted on 10/17/2005 9:16:01 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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