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Alaska anti-gun-control law goes into effect Wednesday
http://www.helenair.com ^ | 10/15/05 | MATT VOLZ

Posted on 10/16/2005 1:47:00 PM PDT by freepatriot32

JUNEAU, Alaska — Starting Wednesday, a new anti-gun-control law in Alaska will allow handgun owners to carry concealed weapons without a permit in the seven Alaska cities where permits are now required.

Gun owners will be allowed to keep their firearms in their vehicle, even if the car is parked on private property where the owner has a no-gun policy.

And, some police chiefs say, local ordinances that ban guns from public buildings such as city halls will no longer be enforceable.

Alaska’s new law forbids municipalities from passing gun laws that are more restrictive than state law.

The National Rifle Association, which helped Republican state Rep. Mike Chenault draft the new law, said it wants to prevent cities from passing restricting laws in the future. It’s what the organization calls state pre-emption, and Alaska will be the 44th state to have such a law on its books.

“We are looking to make it uniform to all 50 states,” said spokeswoman Kelly Hobbs from the NRA’s Fairfax, Va., headquarters. “Without it, it creates an unfair, inconsistent and confusing patchwork of local firearm ordinances.”

Chenault said a law-abiding citizen should be able to carry a firearm wherever he wants to, but in Alaska, that citizen may be breaking the law and not even know it.

“You could leave Homer with a gun in your vehicle and find yourself in conflict with laws in other municipalities just by driving through those municipalities,” he said.

The part of the law that most concerns Alaska police chiefs is the lifting of bans on guns in public buildings. That could leave government workers inside vulnerable to attack, said Anchorage Police Chief Walter Monegan.

“There are lots of people, myself included, we really value our constitutional rights,” Monegan said. “But if we had the same enthusiasm to also support our constitutional responsibilities, then I would be less concerned over this issue.”

Across the state in Bethel, Police Chief Ben Dudley said he also is concerned that he will no longer have the option of charging people with entering a municipal building with a weapon. But he’s more philosophical on the effects of that city law when it comes to stopping somebody who means to do harm.

“If there were people with bad intentions entering into municipal buildings, the law isn’t going to stop those people anyway,” Dudley said. “They’re going to stick a pistol down their pants anyway.”

The new law would allow cities to keep guns out of places beyond a restricted access point, such as a metal detector, but the chiefs say their cities can’t afford to staff and equip such points.

Plus, “It runs counter to the intent of public buildings to establish the checkpoints,” said Juneau Police Chief Richard Gummow.

Chenault said his interpretation of the new law differs. State law now does not specifically prohibit weapons in municipal buildings, but it does in state buildings. If municipalities pass their own weapons bans for public buildings, those laws shouldn’t be considered any more restrictive than the state’s ban, he said.

But he acknowledged that it may take a court challenge to see if his interpretation is correct.

The police chiefs are less concerned about the concealed-weapons permits. Two years ago, the Legislature removed the requirement for a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but the state continues to issue them. The NRA says those permits are still required in seven cities: Anchorage, Bethel, Juneau, Petersburg, Sitka, Valdez and Wasilla.

Even opponents of the law seem fine with getting rid of the permit requirements.

But state Sen. Hollis French, D-Anchorage, who voted against the bill, said he objects to its stance of putting gun rights over private property rights. The law says a government or person cannot create a rule that would prohibit someone from keeping a gun inside a car, wherever the car is.

“In that tension between the legitimate right to protect yourself, and, for me, the more absolute right to do as you see fit with your property, this tips the balance a little too far toward guns,” French said.


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1 posted on 10/16/2005 1:47:04 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32

cool, now how o conceal a .50 cal? lol


2 posted on 10/16/2005 1:49:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: freepatriot32

Good! The more I learn about this great northern state, the more I like it (my wife would never let us go there :-( ).


3 posted on 10/16/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: freepatriot32
If this could only be done nationwide, the overall crime rate would drop like a rock....
4 posted on 10/16/2005 1:50:02 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
5 posted on 10/16/2005 1:51:03 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
the lifting of bans on guns in public buildings. That could leave government workers inside vulnerable to attack, said Anchorage Police Chief Walter Monegan.

Hey Chief...someone about to commit murder might ignore a no guns in the building policy, you fool.

6 posted on 10/16/2005 1:51:43 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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7 posted on 10/16/2005 1:52:04 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: VRWCTexan

bttt


8 posted on 10/16/2005 1:52:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: freepatriot32

my kind of town


9 posted on 10/16/2005 1:52:57 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take it away)
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To: freepatriot32

Legal guns and legal marijuana? Sign me up.


10 posted on 10/16/2005 1:53:21 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: freepatriot32

Duh! Mr. Police Chief.

In our area it is illegal to bring a gun into a court house but they have metal detectors anyway. Why? Because a criminal does not follow the law.

They sure picked a couple of morons to get statements from.


11 posted on 10/16/2005 1:53:43 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Panic don't get the job done)
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To: freepatriot32

The handgun permit was intended to eliminate problems in going from one jurisdiction to another since the local rules varied considerably. The permit system didn't actually change anything but the local enforcement for the few permit holders.


12 posted on 10/16/2005 1:53:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: freepatriot32

This has to be the worst title of the day. This is not anti gun control, just anti control.


13 posted on 10/16/2005 1:54:06 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: freepatriot32
GO ALASKA!
Yeah!
14 posted on 10/16/2005 1:55:30 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: freepatriot32

I like this.


15 posted on 10/16/2005 1:55:38 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: ncountylee
the lifting of bans on guns in public buildings. That could leave government workers inside vulnerable to attack, said Anchorage Police Chief Walter Monegan.

Hey Chief...someone about to commit murder might ignore a no guns in the building policy, you fool.

there is an easy solution allow all government workers to conceal carry in the buildings they work in if this cheif is sow worried about there safety.I guess common sense isn't a prerequisite for his job

16 posted on 10/16/2005 1:56:02 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

And if we were to be placed with the workings of Algore as President would this be complacent discussion?


17 posted on 10/16/2005 1:56:11 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: freepatriot32
"The part of the law that most concerns Alaska police chiefs is the lifting of bans on guns in public buildings. That could leave government workers inside vulnerable to attack, said Anchorage Police Chief Walter Monegan."

Maybe a little fear will take some of the "pain in the ass" out of some of those bureaucrats. LOL
18 posted on 10/16/2005 1:57:14 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Mr. Mojo; hiredhand

ping


19 posted on 10/16/2005 1:57:33 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
“We are looking to make it uniform to all 50 states,” said spokeswoman Kelly Hobbs from the NRA’s Fairfax, Va., headquarters. “Without it, it creates an unfair, inconsistent and confusing patchwork of local firearm ordinances.”

Bingo!

But then again governments like anything that is inconsistent and confusing. Look at our tax Code(s). Or John Kerry.

20 posted on 10/16/2005 1:58:16 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: GeronL
cool, now how o conceal a .50 cal?

Very carefully.

21 posted on 10/16/2005 1:58:39 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Scott Ritter: "Bush, Blair like Nazis."---Texas Eagle: "Well, good. Let's invade France.")
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To: EGPWS
Hey! Where's that tagline I sold you? Huh?
22 posted on 10/16/2005 2:00:13 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: freepatriot32

23 posted on 10/16/2005 2:01:50 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: GeronL
cool, now how o conceal a .50 cal? lol

if you dont support the boycott of S& W smith and wesson makes a compact size 5 shot .50 cal handgun now complete with holster to easily conceal it :-)

24 posted on 10/16/2005 2:03:18 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
It has been my experience that anyone anywhere can carry concealed without a permit, in the absence of a metal detector that is...

I saw one young man carry a semiautomatic in the national mall in the DC a few weeks back, I saw it while he was having his breakfast next to me at the McDonald's.
25 posted on 10/16/2005 2:04:56 PM PDT by mmercier (same as it ever was)
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To: GeronL

Easy. Under a jacket.


26 posted on 10/16/2005 2:06:51 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: yall; freepatriot32
" -- Gun owners will be allowed to keep their firearms in their vehicle, even if the car is parked on private property where the owner has a no-gun policy. -- "






Incredibly enough, there are lots of conservatives on FR who insist that private property 'rights' are being violated by such laws.
27 posted on 10/16/2005 2:13:32 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: VRWCTexan
If this could only be done nationwide, the overall crime rate would drop like a rock....

Yes. It worked 200 years ago before we had 20,000 friggin gun laws on the books all over this country.

It appears the NRA is making progress. Glad I've been a Lifetime member since 1982.

Which leads me to suggest that those, who are not members, join; and if you are a member, get others to join.

28 posted on 10/16/2005 2:15:15 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: PeteB570
They sure picked a couple of morons to get statements from.

They drink the same Kool-Aid as Tommy Fatso Ridge aka: Homeland Security Idiot (retired).

29 posted on 10/16/2005 2:18:15 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Fiddlstix
I sold it! ;-)

It was sold with lack of concern for I own the copy rights to it!

Me thinks I have been bought out for I haven't seen it since I sold it....

I wonder what the new owners will replace it with?

I'm pleased with the knowledge of your presence and your input to FR!

I'm so pleased to get a concerned post from you.

regards,

EG

30 posted on 10/16/2005 2:18:30 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Wolfie

-Legal guns and legal marijuana? Sign me up.-


might effect your aim....


31 posted on 10/16/2005 2:21:54 PM PDT by jmq (Islam=Religion of Peace)
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To: GeronL

Is that a mini Barrett in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?!?!


32 posted on 10/16/2005 2:23:58 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: freepatriot32

Great! Lets do here in Hawaii next. I'm afraid to take any of my guns out my front door, they have so many fire arms laws here. For instance: in transporting a gun, even to a shooting range, or anywhere else, has to be in a closed case and if it is in the trunk of the car the ammo has to be in another section of the car. And of course they all have to be registered. They make it so hard to sell a gun here that I just gave up on trying to sell any of mine. I guess they will have to be buried with me. (not joking)


33 posted on 10/16/2005 2:25:58 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: EGPWS

Well, you bought it fair and square. It's yours to do with as you please. I do hope it gets a good home.


34 posted on 10/16/2005 2:33:54 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: mmercier
Back in the '70s, a friend and I used to go to the range in Colorado every Saturday morning. Both of us were carrying unconcealed. We'd stop in a diner for breakfast, cops would come in and get their coffee. No problem.

Other times we'd go to a terrific Japanes restaurant near Larimar Square in Denver, park in the back and have to walk down a dark alley. Both of us were packing Browning Hi-Powers.

Bottom line: times were different then, than now. It APPEARS that the pendulum is beginning to swing back to common-flippin-sense.

35 posted on 10/16/2005 2:35:25 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: sit-rep
S&W makes a 50. Or you could consider a 454 Casull.

Personally, I'll take a 9mm. Less mess.

36 posted on 10/16/2005 2:38:42 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: GeronL
If you figure out how to do it, let me know.


37 posted on 10/16/2005 2:46:49 PM PDT by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: freepatriot32

will it break my wrisy?


38 posted on 10/16/2005 2:52:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: GeronL
cool, now how o conceal a .50 cal? lol

If it’s a rifle, be really tall and strong – and wear a trench coat.
39 posted on 10/16/2005 2:56:18 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: faireturn
Incredibly enough, there are lots of conservatives on FR who insist that private property 'rights' are being violated by such laws.

Limited to those that read from the Corporate Bill of Right's in the Constitution, which I can't seem to find in my copy. Why is that? Rhetorical. Blackbird.

40 posted on 10/16/2005 3:13:04 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST ("Read my Lips, no new Taxes" G.W Bush "Trust me!" G.H.W Bush...do I have that right?)
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To: freepatriot32
Plus, “It runs counter to the intent of public buildings to establish the checkpoints,” said Juneau Police Chief Richard Gummow.

It also runs counter to the intent of public buildings to restrict peoples rights in the very facilities they help pay for.

What a Maroon!

41 posted on 10/16/2005 3:25:24 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: BlackbirdSST

BlackbirdSST wrote:

Limited to those that read from the Corporate Bill of Right's in the Constitution, which I can't seem to find in my copy.






NRA pushes 'guns-at-work' bill in Florida
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1499417/posts

Read em defend corporate private property, - and weep.


42 posted on 10/16/2005 3:25:45 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: basil; dbwz; Ladysmith
My kind of state gun laws!!!


43 posted on 10/16/2005 3:30:18 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org ē Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: GeronL

It's what trash can paints were made for.


44 posted on 10/16/2005 3:31:22 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: VRWCTexan
If this could only be done nationwide, the overall crime rate would drop like a rock....

No kidding!

45 posted on 10/16/2005 3:34:18 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (FR1....Varoooooom, Varooooooom!!!)
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To: magslinger

Oh wow!! kewl! :o)


46 posted on 10/16/2005 3:36:19 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) 2005 WI PPA/CCW Ping List ~Contact me if you want on/off the ping list~)
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To: freepatriot32
“In that tension between the legitimate right to protect yourself, and, for me, the more absolute right to do as you see fit with your property, this tips the balance a little too far toward guns,”

Are my gun's not my property?

47 posted on 10/16/2005 3:37:36 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I'm caring less, more and more....................)
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To: Ladysmith

Why are you not studying, young lady?


48 posted on 10/16/2005 3:37:46 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (FR1....Varoooooom, Varooooooom!!!)
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To: faireturn

Was going to ping you to this thread, but I see you already found it.


49 posted on 10/16/2005 3:39:23 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: freepatriot32
Alaska’s new law forbids municipalities from passing gun laws that are more restrictive than state law.

Well done.

BTTT.

50 posted on 10/16/2005 3:41:36 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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