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Prions found in urine
news@nature.com ^ | 13 October 2005 | Andreas von Bubnoff

Posted on 10/18/2005 12:23:50 AM PDT by neverdem

Mystery of infections in deer and elk may have a solution.

The protein particles that cause illnesses such as mad cow disease can be found in the urine of infected mice, researchers report.

Their study may solve the mystery of how such 'prion' diseases spread among animals such as sheep, elk and deer. But it also raises concerns that the urine of humans with variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) may contain dangerous proteins.

Prions are primarily found in the brain, the spinal cord and the immune system. British cows are thought to have developed the prion disease bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) by eating ground-up brains, spleens and similar material. Other body parts were thought to be relatively safe for consumption.

Then, in 2003, Adriano Aguzzi's group at the University Hospital of Zurich, Switzerland, found prions in the muscle tissue of people who had died from a brain wasting disease. And this January, the team showed in mice that prions also spread to the pancreas, kidneys and liver if there is inflammation in these organs. Together, these findings suggested that the brain and lymphatic organs might not be the only dangerous ones.

Now, Aguzzi and his colleagues have raised further concerns in a paper in Science1.

Protein injection

The researchers took mice with a chronic inflammation of the kidney and infected them with prions. They then concentrated the proteins in their urine tenfold and injected the mixture into the brains of healthy mice. This treatment made the mice sick.

"We knew that we had something really exciting on our hands," Aguzzi says. "I couldn't believe it."

An injection of concentrated proteins from one millilitre of urine caused prion disease in half of the treated mice, Aguzzi says.

The research may explain how animals such as sheep, elk and deer transmit prion diseases. In the United States, a chronic wasting disease is spreading "like wildfire" among elk and deer, says Aguzzi. About 20% of the wild deer in some parts of Colorado are infected, says Aguzzi, and yet these animals are herbivores.

"Nobody understands what controls the spread," says Aguzzi. Dust mites have been suggested as one method of transmission. Aguzzi adds that animals may be eating urine-contaminated grass.

Low doses

An explanation that involves urine has difficulties however. The concentration of prions found in the mouse urine in the experiment was 10,000 times lower than in the lymphatic organs, and a million times less than in the brains, the original site of infection.

Neil Cashman, a prion researcher at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, says that the risk of getting sick by touching or ingesting infected urine is minuscule. He explains that, quite apart from the low concentration of prions in urine, it would take a higher dose of the proteins to cause infection this way than through injection into the brain.

As yet, there are no data on the risk that might be attached to contact with urine from vCJD patients. On the other hand, says Cashman, "nobody wants human prions in the hospital laundry".

References: doi:10.1038/news051010-13
Seeger H. et al. Science, 310. 324 - 326 (2005)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: prions; urine
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To: neverdem

They say there are little aliens infesting people... I don't think they're called "prions", though that actually might be the term, but it's something like that. So the first thing they do with a new convert is charge them a ton of money to go through all of these cleansing rituals to rid their bodies of all of these "prions" or whatever, these little aliens, so they'll be clean and free.


21 posted on 10/18/2005 7:17:30 AM PDT by ichabod1 (No Retreat! Trap The Rats or Face The Base -- Your Choice, Congress)
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To: DB
The nature of prions themselves is what makes their control/elimination/eradication so problematic.

Two interesting points of view at:
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/madcow/prions.html
22 posted on 10/18/2005 7:40:00 AM PDT by trouthunter2
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To: JustDoItAlways
"Any farm that has seen an infection can never have deer or elk reintroduced since the disease seems to stay in the soil for years. In the wild, once the disease in introduced in an area, it just seems to continue spreading. "

IMO not a microbiologist, but perhaps controlled burns of habitat would help?
23 posted on 10/18/2005 7:40:12 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The problem with a prion is that it is almost imposable to destroy. The prion is a protein with no nucleus and it can not be destroyed even in an autoclave, it's like trying to destroy an atom of oxygen.


24 posted on 10/18/2005 7:55:14 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE BLUE PIMPLE IN A SEA OF RED!)
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To: Total Package
So they just accumulate in the environment with no way to break them down? No enzymes or bio remediation? (That is, to break them down without destroying other susceptable and desirable biological material? Like people, Elks, and Deer?)
25 posted on 10/18/2005 8:15:04 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Total Package
The prion is a protein with no nucleus and it can not be destroyed even in an autoclave, it's like trying to destroy an atom of oxygen.

pardon my french, but WTF?

26 posted on 10/18/2005 9:12:45 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
"Prions lack any nucleic acid'. page 398 Bauman. MICROBIOLOGY Robert W. Bauman
27 posted on 10/18/2005 9:44:13 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE BLUE PIMPLE IN A SEA OF RED!)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
I do not know the answer to their break down I have not had any biochem. Prions are still new to research 1982 there is not a lot known yet.
28 posted on 10/18/2005 9:50:07 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE BLUE PIMPLE IN A SEA OF RED!)
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To: neverdem
Prions, found in the brains of animals with brain wasting diseases, could be spread through urine.

If this porves to be true for mad cow and humans, then there is real risk of this disease running rampant in the homosexual community, beginning in Europe.

29 posted on 10/18/2005 11:02:45 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan
If this porves to be true for mad cow and humans, then there is real risk of this disease running rampant in the homosexual community, beginning in Europe.

???

30 posted on 10/18/2005 12:04:54 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
???

If it must be spelled out, .... because they have a habit of recreating in each other's urine,

31 posted on 10/18/2005 12:08:31 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Total Package
No nucleus as in a cell, I understand.
No nucleus as in physics, I understand.
But prions = "type of protein", so I don't get "prions without a nucleus".
"Prions lack any nucleic acid'. page 398 Bauman. MICROBIOLOGY Robert W. Bauman

Ah, now I see.

Prions have no nucleic acids--but, Nucleic acid is NOT synonymous with Nucleus...

Cheers!

32 posted on 10/18/2005 3:15:38 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem
Tetracyclines affect prion infectivity

Spiroplasma as a candidate agent for the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies.

Just enter Bastian FO into PubMed.

33 posted on 10/18/2005 4:52:18 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Info at "Tetracyclines affect.." indicates:

"Hamsters injected with tetracycline-treated inoculum showed a significant delay in the onset of clinical signs of disease and prolonged survival time. These effects were paralleled by a delay in the appearance of magnetic-resonance abnormalities in the thalamus, neuropathological changes, and PrPSc accumulation. When tetracycline was preincubated with highly diluted scrapie-infected inoculum, one third of hamsters did not develop disease."

Better than treatment with spit, I guess. I wonder if bourbon works any better. Someone needs to alert the University of Kentucky that a little research is needed here...


34 posted on 10/18/2005 5:04:51 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; DB; Bon mots; bruoz; xJones; BIRDS; sam_paine; mtbopfuyn; ...

Just enter Bastian FO into the PubMed link in comment 33. He's been studying Spiroplasma since 1979. Spiroplasma is one of the weird bacteria that lack cell walls, e.g. mycoplasma, although they have cell membranes. I think F.O. Bastian might wind up getting a Nobel Prize, like the guys this year who proved that Helicobacter Pylori cause gastro-intestinal ulcers, if he can infect those critters with Spiroplasma mirum and cause scrapie, chronic wasting and mad cow disease.


35 posted on 10/18/2005 6:09:40 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
The incubation with tetracycline hydrochloride or doxycycline hyclate at concentrations ranging from 10 ìM(It didn't copy the Greek letter that looks like a small 'u', is pronounced like 'mue' and means 10-6) to 1 mM resulted in a dose-dependent decrease in protease resistance of PrPSc.

The highly diluted antibiotic solution had one percent the 1 mM, i.e. one millimolar concentration.

When tetracycline was preincubated with highly diluted scrapie-infected inoculum, one third of hamsters did not develop disease.

That's not too shabby.

36 posted on 10/18/2005 6:40:42 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; All

correction

The highly diluted antibiotic solution had one percent of the 1 mM, i.e. one millimolar concentration.


37 posted on 10/18/2005 7:00:46 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Actually, that is encouraging to learn that there is something that can be used against it!

I have/had asthma, and read that Mt. Sinai Hospital had done research linking mycoplasma pneumonae to asthma--the antibody appeared regularly in asthma sufferers. I kept asking my GP if there could be a connection. He discounted this. At some point I had to take an anti fungal medication, and have not had asthma symptoms for some time. Can't say I had it for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did...

Thanks!
38 posted on 10/18/2005 7:49:11 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Did you ever hear of the fungus called Aspergillus, or the condition called bronchopulmonary aspergillosis? Aspergillus and asthma--any link? Here's the NIH site for patients, MedlinePlus.
39 posted on 10/18/2005 8:49:18 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Total Package

"The prion is a protein with no nucleus and it can not be destroyed even in an autoclave, it's like trying to destroy an atom of oxygen."

Think about that... maybe not a good example. :)


40 posted on 10/21/2005 6:32:33 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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