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US Faces 'Extreme' Temperature Changes: Study
AFP | 10-17-2005 | not given

Posted on 10/18/2005 6:08:43 AM PDT by boris

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To: boris
The model considered circumstances not fully included in previous models, such as snow which reflects energy from the sun back into space, and mountain peaks, which can stand in the way of travelling weather fronts.

But they still haven't modelled the effects of increased cloud cover that they expect. Oh yeah, I forgot, that little factor would cause cooling so we don't want to model that....

21 posted on 10/18/2005 6:24:44 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: RockyMtnMan
Even thought I don't buy this greenhouse gas crap I have to ask, what does this have to do with the US?? China is the worlds number one polluter as most of our manufacturing has moved to their shores. They are switching from bicycles to cars and have no "EPA" department to worry about.

And the Chinese are exempt from meeting any requirements of the Kyoto agreement. One of the main reasons the treaty was bogus.

22 posted on 10/18/2005 6:27:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: AmericaUnited

A climatic warming in the next 100 years would reduce the amount of heating oil and natural gas used during the winter and, hence, reduce the amount of CO2 which is produced, thus lowering the temps ultimately. How is that for a forecast?


23 posted on 10/18/2005 6:27:13 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: boris

The Northeast, Southwest and Gulf Coast. Looks like the mid-Atlantic (Virginia) will be a good place to live.


24 posted on 10/18/2005 6:28:49 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Always Right

Why is it always a "climate model."

You never see the global warming guys say "based on the actual climate of the last 50 years ..." They point to a rise of 1 deg F in the average temperature of the earth (like that can actually be measured) but that still depends on where you start from.

Start the record in 1893, just after Krakatoa blew up and there is a large increase. Start in 1934 at the height of the depression and drought and you get a different result.


25 posted on 10/18/2005 6:29:25 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: boris

So, we'll have fifty warmer winters and then presto, ice sheets five miles thick return to all of Canada and most of North America.

Presto: illegal alien problem solved since they are now frantic to get into the Sudan.


26 posted on 10/18/2005 6:32:48 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Always Right
I can make a model that would predict every election from 1961 to 1985 and have it perform 'admirably', but it still could predict 2006 worth a squat.

Of course it would --- it would demonstrate that Republicans will control the White House for the majority of the future.

27 posted on 10/18/2005 6:33:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: bmwcyle
model's efficacy by analyzing the period 1961 to 1985

Don't you know history began in the 1960's?

Everything before that is irrelevant.

28 posted on 10/18/2005 6:35:02 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Netheron

lol

certainly - and they think they evolved from the same mamals as chimps.


29 posted on 10/18/2005 6:41:26 AM PDT by globalheater
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To: globalheater

Well, I do too.

I also believe that it was part of God's design.


30 posted on 10/18/2005 6:44:48 AM PDT by Netheron
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To: globalheater

Well, I do too.

I also believe that it was part of God's design.


31 posted on 10/18/2005 6:45:05 AM PDT by Netheron
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To: globalheater

Sorry about the double post. When I refreshed the thread and didn't see the post added, I forgot about the forum lag.


32 posted on 10/18/2005 6:46:08 AM PDT by Netheron
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To: Francis Joseph
Yeah -- except that it's effin' freezing there.

Everytime I start to feel opressed by the harsh New Engalnd winters, I look at the weather map for the upper Midwest and thank God I don't live there.

33 posted on 10/18/2005 6:46:33 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: Francis Joseph
Well, the globalists have done a super job of emptying out the upper Midwest over the past 50 years. We have a surplus of underused infrastructure, no hurricanes, and no earthquakes.

In addition, we have lots of fresh water.

I contend that national security dictates that this country should move more of its critical economic activity to its interior.

Insurance company exposure management should also encourage folks to move away from the coast.

Well, actually it's liberal politics that's done that. The South is growing like crazy because of their lower taxes, right-to-work laws and fewer regulations. The mid-west has consistently been generating a hostile business climate. For example, all the new auto plants are in the South. When was the last time significant nukmbers of plants opened in Michigan or Ohio?

34 posted on 10/18/2005 6:51:47 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
A climatic warming in the next 100 years would reduce the amount of heating oil and natural gas used during the winter and, hence, reduce the amount of CO2 which is produced, thus lowering the temps ultimately. How is that for a forecast?

On a canadian website, some environmental nut said global warming would cause more energy use because people would have to run air conditioners more often. THis twit doesn't understand that it takes more energy to heat a home in the winter (with a 50'F temperature difference) than to cool it in the summer (15'F difference) but then again, Canadians like to keep the thermostat at 68'F and haven't adapted to 80'F settings people here in FL use.

35 posted on 10/18/2005 6:55:07 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Mikey_1962

So have we (NY). We haven't had a frost yet and the trees are way behind on color. We haven't even hit peak yet.


36 posted on 10/18/2005 6:58:50 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Netheron
it's good to believe...

but it's best to prove !

well I think scientific findings are politicized too much nowadays.

1. by scientists beefing up their budgets
2. by freepers in case the findings don't match the equation freedom equals elbow space in your SUV

I think it's getting hot. Maybe we save money reacting now.
37 posted on 10/18/2005 7:02:08 AM PDT by globalheater
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To: fatnotlazy

I did some storm spotting for the NWS and talked to those guys regularly. Boy, if you wanted to get them going, just mention global warming. That set them off like nothing else. THEY don't believe it.


38 posted on 10/18/2005 7:02:18 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boris

"The study, published on the online edition of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, warned that greenhouse gases will likely swell to twice their current levels by the century's end."

Since sources of greenhouse gas attributable to mankind are a small fraction of the greenhouse gasses produced I guess that means that reducing man's contribution of greenhouse gasses is pointless.

If greenhouse hasses are going to double their current level, it's obviously not going to be the result of emissions made by man.

I'm happy that they are actually trying to test their models with known data, but it just leads me to question their model on how greenhouse gas levels will increase, because their claims make no sense.


39 posted on 10/18/2005 7:04:40 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: JustDoItAlways

If everyday this winter were one degree warmer than average, we'd still be freezing our butts off. And it would still snow. You can't tell a one degree difference with your skin.


40 posted on 10/18/2005 7:05:09 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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