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Kristol: ‘Mood is Bleak’ at White House (uh-huh)
newsmax ^ | 10/18/05 | staff

Posted on 10/18/2005 11:35:27 AM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant
Bill Kristol getting sillilied humored . . .


101 posted on 10/18/2005 12:16:32 PM PDT by w_over_w (GO ASTROS!!! Make it to the big one . . . this time?)
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To: w1andsodidwe
Oh, really?

Then you must have missed his support for the War on Terror.

102 posted on 10/18/2005 12:17:31 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: w_over_w

I still like Mort. One of the oh so few dems I do like.


103 posted on 10/18/2005 12:17:36 PM PDT by pissant
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To: FlipWilson
The WH can't talk about this, Wilson, the CIA, the WMD, that is supposed to be for any right-wing or just plain FAIR investigative reporters.

But they are AWOL as usual.

And have been for 40 years, in which they have made ZERO inroads into influencing and educating the average citizen here or abroad.

They are useless, and their peers on the left run rings around them day after day, year after year.
104 posted on 10/18/2005 12:17:48 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Owen

Thank you for your post, you just made my afternoon.


105 posted on 10/18/2005 12:18:18 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: Grampa Dave

LOL. Hold yer fire then. We want you around these parts still...


106 posted on 10/18/2005 12:18:22 PM PDT by pissant
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To: samantha
He is a little man that cannot live up to is Mother's reputation let alone his Dad's reputation.

Well as a conservative and an advocate of smaller government, I wouldn't want anyone to try to live up to Irving Kristol's reputation. I remember what he did in 2000 but I also remember 2-3 years ago his rag of a magazine taken as absolute truth when it advocated the invasion of Iraq, which it did endlessly

107 posted on 10/18/2005 12:18:33 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

Actually, unlike you neo-coms, we call out other conservatives when they're acting like they want a nice write-up in the Style Section.
Neo-coms never question their leaders, as evidenced by none of them calling out Farrakhan for his latest rantings about levees being blown up.


108 posted on 10/18/2005 12:18:35 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: pissant

WH psy-ops.


109 posted on 10/18/2005 12:19:05 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: angkor

LOL. Call Blocking is in order!


110 posted on 10/18/2005 12:19:09 PM PDT by pissant
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To: threeleftsmakearight
Actually, unlike you neo-coms, we call out other conservatives when they're acting like they want a nice write-up in the Style Section.

?!?! Neo-com, please define. I never supported Kristol nor any of other faux conservatives

111 posted on 10/18/2005 12:20:08 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Owen

Yes, but its human nature to jump out of the foxhole and on the "popular" bandwagon when your being attacked.

We just whine about it later, and blame someone else.


112 posted on 10/18/2005 12:20:39 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: billbears

Neo-Com not Neo-Con


113 posted on 10/18/2005 12:23:08 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Owen

good post


114 posted on 10/18/2005 12:23:45 PM PDT by pissant
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To: w_over_w

Priceless.....though I do not condone it.


115 posted on 10/18/2005 12:24:33 PM PDT by pissant
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To: billbears

William Kristol was one of the original Neocons, and his Mother Getrude Himmelfarb was also a Neocon. They had stellar careers and as far as I know not in backstabbing. The Weekly Standard and Kristol were big proponents of The War on terrorism as most on freerepublic,and we realize Rome was not built in a day. kristol thinks we and the white House give a crap what he thinks. He is so small both physically and mentally that he should drive a Scion as his limousine.


116 posted on 10/18/2005 12:26:27 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: samantha
You must have missed his support on the War for Terror and much of the administration's foreign policy.

Domestically, he has criticized President Bush most particularly on immigration and spending as have many conservatives.

I began reading Bill Kristol (who has one of the nation's BEST conservative mind's) long before GW ever came upon the National scene, and he doesn't base his opinions on who is in office, not now, no ever. Don't look for him to change. And that is a GOOD thing.

117 posted on 10/18/2005 12:28:29 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: finnman69
"If fitzgerald was going to indict Wednesday, would he not have already issued 'target' letters to those to be indicted? That certainly would have leaked."

Yep. And Rove or Libby (1) would not have testified anew and (2) would have stepped down. Thus, the question is really: Who has not testified? Wilson, Plame, Pinkus come to mind...

118 posted on 10/18/2005 12:31:57 PM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: pissant
Separated at birth: Bill Kristol and Ron Popeil.
119 posted on 10/18/2005 12:33:08 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Oh Sh*t. That's good!!!


120 posted on 10/18/2005 12:34:13 PM PDT by pissant
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To: threeleftsmakearight

And what exactly is a neo-com? My political stance on most issues is to the right of Jesse Helms


121 posted on 10/18/2005 12:34:37 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Owen
Re#95 Well said, except for the last line: "And yet, FR listens to moral gnats like Bill Kristol who has accomplished nothing at all in his life." If you read the thread up to your post, there's not a lot of Kristol fans here. I'm sure not. His smug, arrogant, "I'm somebody in the know" attitude bugs me to no end. Oh, that and the fact of his W bashing and that he is always so wrong...
122 posted on 10/18/2005 12:39:31 PM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: samantha
William Kristol was one of the original Neocons

Exactly, however I believe you're speaking about Irving, who considered himself the 'Godfather'. BTW, the little Frummer boy went down a long path a few years back singing the praises of Irving as well. Worthless article doubting the patriotism of anyone that didn't pull the neocon line.

The Weekly Standard and Kristol were big proponents of The War on terrorism

Again, exactly.

Kristol thinks we and the white House give a crap what he thinks

Well considering the architects for the WOST were tied to his little organization and signed the statement of principles, somebody cared what he thought at one time. Any of those names familiar at the bottom of that page?

123 posted on 10/18/2005 12:40:59 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

Neo-Com = New Communist
As in most of today's Democrats and other lefty types.
I'm sorry if you sounded like one of them.


124 posted on 10/18/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: threeleftsmakearight
If you reread my post I was ridiculing Kristol but also ridiculing the fact that less than three years ago his 'magazine' (if you wish to call it that) was taken as gospel by those advocating the invasion of Iraq.

I just find it amusing that now he finds a conservative bone, realizing something's rotten somewhere in Washington, and he's suddenly become lower than Ted Kennedy.

For the record, as a conservative I never listened to anything coming from the Standard, but I've never considered the administration conservative either. Hawkish maybe. Conservative no

125 posted on 10/18/2005 12:47:54 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: mewzilla
There may be some psy-ops happening here, but if either Wilson or Miller is going to be indicted it's crucial for Fitzgerald to make sure the investigation appears to be thorough, comprehensive, and casting a wide net to include all White House officials. Then when Wilson and/or Miller is indicted, the libs can't say Fitzgerald was unfair to them and targeted them at the White House's request. So all this testimony by Rove and Libby may be primarily to make the investigation appear impartial.

But if I had to bet, I would expect no indictments from this grand jury and Fitzgerald will merely release a report that criticizes a number of people for loose handling of classified information and recommends tighter controls on this information. The left has had its expectations built up into a rapt anticipation of indictments against Bush officials, and there will be crushing disappointment among liberals when there are no indictments, except possibly Wilson for the initial leak or Miller for perjury. Meanwhile sales of Prozac and Zoloft will soar in liberal New England.

126 posted on 10/18/2005 12:54:38 PM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: Republic of Texas

Oh for God's sake...I am so tired of the "shoot the messenger" posts on FR I'm ready to BARF!!!!!!


127 posted on 10/18/2005 12:56:39 PM PDT by PjhCPA (Are you a FRINO???? If so, get lost.)
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To: USS Alaska

it pains me to have you make a play on Kristol's name with "Kristallnacht" which was such an ugly event in human history. pls reconsider.


128 posted on 10/18/2005 12:58:32 PM PDT by avital2
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To: defenderSD
Some unreliable leftwing site is reporting that John Hannah has been flipped and is now cooperating with the prosecutor: Cheney aide cooperating with CIA outing probe, sources say

Just passing it along for what it's worth.

129 posted on 10/18/2005 12:59:50 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

Good, that makes the investigation look even more thorough and impartial. Fitz is just following his instructions from AG Gonzalez.


130 posted on 10/18/2005 1:02:34 PM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: TheDon
Sounds like a fishing expedition to me. I think the prosecutor is trying to find something, somewhere, but has come up empty. If he had anything, there would be focused testimony. I think no indictments are forthcoming.

Perhaps fitzy is waiting to see how Ronnie Earle fares?

131 posted on 10/18/2005 1:03:08 PM PDT by ez (How long til the anti-Miers crowd pulls a Dan Rather?)
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To: Republic of Texas

We are going to have to start having the old "deeply saddened" pic of Tom Daschle replaced by one of Kristol with his head in his hands.


132 posted on 10/18/2005 1:07:41 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: rocklobster11
How was leaking a name out of the blue going to get revenge or discredit Wilson?

When Novak printed the name, it was in response to a story about "who sent Wilson?", Wilson had implied Cheney sent him, so his staff told reporters no, that Cheney asked the CIA to send someone, so it probably was his wife that recommended him.

How is that revenge and criminal.

Do I remember that chain of events correctly?
133 posted on 10/18/2005 1:11:10 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon
Here are some facts I have managed to gather and an interesting timeline:Here are some facts I have managed to gather and an interesting timeline:

5/02/03 - In the Boston Globe on 10/02/05, Wilson states that he has been advising the Kerry campaign for about 5 months

7/06/03 - Wilson writes his famous "What I Didnt Find in Africa" article for the NYT. Mind you, he was a Kerry adviser at the time.

7/14/05 - The Novak article comes out identifying Valerie Plame

7/29/04 - The Senate Committe investigating Wilson's report discredits it and says it was wrong and useless.

Matt Cooper of Time has testified that he called Rove initially, but it was Rove who said that Wilson's wife was CIA, but Rove didnt say she was covert and didnt name her.

Cooper subsequently brought up Plame's identity with Libby, who only confirmed it for him.

Rove confirmed Plame's identity with Novak.

Valerie's last overseas posting (strange wording by Mr. Wilson himself) ended in 1997, however, some reports say her cover was blown earlier by Aldrich Ames in 1994.

European and British intelligence agencies still stand by the claim that Iraq sought yellowcake from Niger.

Plame met Wilson in 1997, Wilson divorced his wife in 1998, he and Plame bought a house together in 1998. How, exactly, are affairs with married men by covert operatives considered by the CIA?

Valerie revealed her status as a NOC on her 3rd or 4th "date" with Wilson, according to Vanity Fair.

The upshot, while working for the Kerry campaign, Wilson wrote an untruthful column for the New York Times to smear Bush by altering the facts he gathered from a CIA mission. A mission that he got because of his wife. The Senate later discredited Wilson's claims and came to the opposite conclusion from his report. Wilson had claimed that Plame had nothing to do with it. After being discredited, Wilson was dropped from the Kerry campaign.

134 posted on 10/18/2005 1:14:33 PM PDT by opticoax
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To: ez
very good ez. humor and truth coincide once again . it ain't lookin so good for ronnie boy . this will not go unnoticed.
135 posted on 10/18/2005 1:25:34 PM PDT by fantom
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136 posted on 10/18/2005 1:26:44 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: pissant
Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, said he expects indictments this week in the CIA leak case involving White House advisers Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

You know, to the average American, this whole CIA incident has no meaning whatsoever. While at lunch yesterday at work discussing this story, seven people in my office had no idea who Karl Rove is.

137 posted on 10/18/2005 1:27:18 PM PDT by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: pissant

How would Kristol know anything? What high level source in the Administration would trust him since he has been trashing the President with vitriol usually reserved for Democrats and traitors?
He hates Bush, he hates Meirs, he is pro-choice, pro- federally funded embryonic stem cell research etc. The true colors of the President's detractors who claim to be the "true" Conservatives is showing now, and it ain't pretty.


138 posted on 10/18/2005 1:30:09 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: FlipWilson
Kristol is McCain's mouthpiece. He never misses an opportunity to bash Rumsfeld, who is also on McCain's hit list.

How McCain who spent most of the VN war as a prisoner has become a military expert is beyond me. The man was a navy pilot.

Kristol is proving that he is afflicted with whining man disease.

139 posted on 10/18/2005 1:31:55 PM PDT by OldFriend (Corine Lombardo ~ American Patriot)
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To: pookie18

LOL. Thanks!


140 posted on 10/18/2005 1:32:53 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

A very boring research project for some young skull full of mush would be to make a chart of the Joker's predictions and tally how many were right and how many were wrong. And to compile a list of named sources for his information. I wonder if he has a DoD security clearance.


141 posted on 10/18/2005 1:33:01 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: in hoc signo vinces
According to Craig Crawford of The Hill, the chances of George Bush being re-elected are slipping away and Kerry will be President.......

OOOPS!!!

142 posted on 10/18/2005 1:33:17 PM PDT by OldFriend (Corine Lombardo ~ American Patriot)
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To: Gerish

And hopefully, they don't vote!


143 posted on 10/18/2005 1:33:28 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I heard Kristal. I can not tolirate him at all. He is such a hang down your head tom dolie type.


144 posted on 10/18/2005 1:34:03 PM PDT by JFC (Your either with us ... or against us. George W. Bush)
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To: Cincinna

Well, there are all shades of conservatives. I just don't like his particular shade.


145 posted on 10/18/2005 1:34:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: samantha

I think Kristol and Gergen are a perfect pair.


146 posted on 10/18/2005 1:36:54 PM PDT by OldFriend (Corine Lombardo ~ American Patriot)
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To: TheDon

I suspect you'll be proven right, and that Kristol will be proven monumentally wrong. And yet, he'll still be an "expert" analyst on Fox.


147 posted on 10/18/2005 1:37:39 PM PDT by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: pissant

Anyone know how many cabinet level indictments there were during the Clinton years?


148 posted on 10/18/2005 1:38:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase (""As far as I can tell, she (Miers) is every bit as conservative as George Bush." --NCsteve (FR))
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To: OldFriend

I cannot stand Gergen. He is another gloom and doomer.


149 posted on 10/18/2005 1:39:58 PM PDT by babaloo
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To: OldFriend
"How McCain who spent most of the VN war as a prisoner has become a military expert is beyond me. The man was a navy pilot."

McCain isn't a military expert. He's a punk who's been using his unfortunate POW experience to justify his presence in the US senate. He is not respected or admired by most conservatives here in Arizona.

150 posted on 10/18/2005 1:40:44 PM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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