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Kristol: ‘Mood is Bleak’ at White House (uh-huh)
newsmax ^ | 10/18/05 | staff

Posted on 10/18/2005 11:35:27 AM PDT by pissant

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To: Right_in_Virginia

Well, we'll soon see what Fitzgerald has up his sleeve.


201 posted on 10/18/2005 5:56:52 PM PDT by pissant
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To: steveyp

I don't think the White House is too worried about that either. At least the President isn't.


202 posted on 10/18/2005 5:57:39 PM PDT by pissant
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To: A. Pole

Me? Nope. But Kristol has jumped the shark.


203 posted on 10/18/2005 5:58:41 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Miss Marple
Very nice recap of Kristol--and fits well into this thread about the Plame leak. The whole affair has been a two year intermural event for the media...which is reliant on these former "insiders" turned pundits for both info and keeping the story going. The pundits in turn are reliant on the media to disseminate their views. So symbiotic. This Plame affair reeks of it.

Punditry is the perfect career those who were once connected and are now the periphery. It's the perfect set-up. You can be both the unnamed source close to the administration or investigation and, at the same time, the brilliant analyst who comments on the info provided by the source. That gives a small story legs, then more media starts citing the stories, they start citing each other, and voila, a single wishful thought or musing, initiated purely for self-serving career reasons, has mushroomed into "consensus" or "common knowledge." An informational Ponzi scheme. Kristol, imho, has a dog in this hunt.

204 posted on 10/18/2005 6:28:47 PM PDT by Eroteme
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To: oceanview

Well . . . admit it would be one of the last places you'd look.


205 posted on 10/18/2005 7:24:32 PM PDT by Paraclete
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To: Miss Marple
I am well aware of your dislike for Bill Kristol.

So he didn't want GW to be president (no secret). It does not mean he wants the administration disgraced by scandal. It wouldn't be good for Republicans of ANY stripe. For the record, I originally said he doesn't want the Bush adminstration to "go down," not that he didn't want any harm to come it.

I suggest you gather more evidence to support your Jeffords theory. Grins on television just doesn't cut it.

Kristol is and will continue to remain one of the brightest minds in the conservative movement.

206 posted on 10/18/2005 7:26:30 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: TAdams8591
This bright mind of the conservative movement was pushing Colin Powell as president for quite some time. Do you have a conservative explanation for that?

Yes, I dislike Kristol. I gave reasons why, and even sai that my suspicioun about Jeffords was just that...a suspicion.

How about addressing all the rest of my points?

207 posted on 10/18/2005 8:11:48 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Eroteme
"An informational Ponzi scheme"

Perfect phrase!!! That probably captures much of what passes for punditry in Washington, DC. Various hacks from both MSM and ex-government, people claiming to have 'access'..... spin and inflate and circulate info, much of it anonymous, so that a story gets bigger and bigger. If there's no 'there' there it doesn't matter to the MSM, they just scurry along to the next concocted story.
208 posted on 10/18/2005 8:38:14 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: Miss Marple

Wow, interesting points! You've followed Kristol's recent career more closely than I can bear to follow ANYONE in punditry or media.... :^) What you say does all sound quite plausible to me, but I sure don't claim to know what Kristol knew and when he knew it.... I do think his current gloom and doom on the WH seems mentally unbalanced and premature, unless he really does know what's going on inside the SP and GJ, and I don't see how anyone in the media knows that - Fitzgerald seems to have kept the lid on very tight and the only discussions seem to come from anonymous attorneys associated with various witnesses who want to spin matters their way.

I don't think, in general, the extent of the GJ's witness list, numbers of junior WH staffers testifying, or the thoroughness of Fitzgerald's questioning of witnesses indicates anything about whether indictments will be issued against anyone in the WH -- from all we really KNOW so far, Fitzgerald is just doing what any SP would have to do to perform a thorough investigation (although I sure would like to know whether he has had sleazeball people like Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, and David Corn before the GJ!!!). I hope that the GJ closes up shop with no indictments for the WH, and that the SP then makes a referral to the Dept. of Justice to investigate and indict the cabal of current and ex-CIA people around Pflame/Wilson who concocted this whole farcical scandal in the first place!!


209 posted on 10/18/2005 8:48:19 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: Diraven

"No! I found it from another site quoting people from this forum."

Ah, trollery at its finest.

"You will see more of me here on the forums in the future. Get ready."

Not bloody likely, but we'll be watching.


211 posted on 10/19/2005 7:14:19 AM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: pissant
Little Billy has been wrong more often than DUmmy Funnies!! Could that be his source?? After this confirmation many Self Appointed Conservative gods are going to find dwindling audiences!!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

212 posted on 10/19/2005 7:23:44 AM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: Diraven
You will see more of me here on the forums in the future. Get ready.

And we'll be waiting, troll...

213 posted on 10/19/2005 7:29:08 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: pookie18
Was that pie thrown by a Conservative?? Not that I would ever endorse that!

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops

214 posted on 10/19/2005 7:46:37 AM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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To: borkrules
Humor, folks. Humor.

Did you read Blonde Faith, by Jay D. Homnick, in the Weekly standard?

There was also an FR thread on the article.

The basics of the article, as I read it, is that Bush and company must follow Reagan's example and answer all of the "slings and arrows" cast their way with constant good cheer, upbeat events and, above all, humor.  I think the reason the guy wrote the article was simply as an excuse to tell the blonde joke at the end.  I'll take that same excuse <g>

Which reminds me of the one about the blonde who needed cash, so she decided to kidnap a child from the playground. She grabbed a kid at random and pinned a note to his shirt, saying that she had kidnapped him and was demanding that the mother leave ten thousand dollars in cash on a park bench. Then she sent the kid home with the note. Sure enough, her plan worked. The next day there was ten thousand dollars in a bag on the bench, with this note: "How could you do this to a fellow blonde?"


215 posted on 10/19/2005 7:50:27 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: pissant
Krystal, the elite perfumed sneering prince of the Hate GW crowd, is welcome at ABCNNBCBS to come on their shows to stab GW in the back.


216 posted on 10/19/2005 7:52:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: pissant
I have a feeling that any sources (if they really exist) inside this White House who will stall talk to Kristol are not loyal to the President.

I wonder if lil' Bill is talking to some Filipino ex marines?

I wonder if his "inside source" isn't actually a White House employee but instead is the husband of a White House employee? A bald one that we all know and despise, perhaps?
217 posted on 10/19/2005 7:54:50 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: podkane

I would remind everyone here that Bill Kristol also was quite confident that Kerry would win the 2004 election, and stated so on Brit's roundtable discussion on the night of the election. He's anybody's sucker.


218 posted on 10/19/2005 8:04:40 AM PDT by Space Wrangler
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To: bray
Was that pie thrown by a Conservative?? Not that I would ever endorse that!.

Seriously doubt it as it was a while ago...


219 posted on 10/19/2005 8:17:59 AM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Darksheare

I gather that some troll slimed me, but I didn't even get to see what was said before he was turned into a smear in the ether......


220 posted on 10/19/2005 10:05:28 AM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: Enchante

If it hasn't been completely nuked from the server, you can see what he said by clicking the link below.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1504720/reply?c=210

It's the reply to link, you'll be able to view the text unless it says (Unknown) in the reply to field.

But yes, it slimed you.


221 posted on 10/19/2005 10:09:54 AM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: PjhCPA

What is a FRINO?


222 posted on 10/20/2005 4:53:26 AM PDT by ForumTroll
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To: ForumTroll

FRINO = Freeper in Name Only

(not really a conservative, cannot participate in real discussion of the issues without personal attacks of either the article's author or reply poster, supports Bush no matter what he does, thinks Miers is the best nominee ever, or because it's the president's constitutional "right" to name SC nominees we have absolutely no right to question his choice...)


223 posted on 10/20/2005 5:07:30 AM PDT by PjhCPA (Are you a FRINO???? If so, get lost.)
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