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The Intellectual Origins Of America-Bashing
Hoover Institution's Policy Review Online ^ | Dec '02 | Lee Harris

Posted on 10/18/2005 1:28:54 PM PDT by baseball_fan

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America-bashing is anti-Americanism at its most radical and totalizing. Its goal is not to advise, but to condemn; not to fix, but to destroy. It repudiates every thought of reform in any normal sense; it sees no difference between American liberals and American conservatives; it views every American action, both present and past, as an act of deliberate oppression and systemic exploitation. It is not that America went wrong here or there; it is that it is wrong root and branch. The conviction at the heart of those who engage in it is really quite simple: that America is an unmitigated evil, an irredeemable enormity.

This is the specter that is haunting the world today. Indeed, one may even go so far as to argue that this America is the fundamental organizing principle of the left as it exists today: To be against America is to be on the right side of history; to be for it is to be on the wrong side.

But let’s pause to ask a question whose answer the America-bashers appear to assume they know: What is the right side of history at this point in history?

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The article portrays the left's irresponsible ideological fantasy of moral superiority so the dangerous trend of America-bashing can be thoroughly discredited.
1 posted on 10/18/2005 1:28:55 PM PDT by baseball_fan
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To: baseball_fan
Origins Of America-Bashing?

It had to be the French....though I wouldn't go as far as calling them intellectuals.

Cheese-eating, surrender-monkeys has a much better ring to it..

2 posted on 10/18/2005 1:32:45 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: baseball_fan

"The Intellectual Origins Of America-Bashing"

There are no intellectual origins of America-Bashing, just moronic origins.


3 posted on 10/18/2005 1:35:47 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: baseball_fan
Oh, but watch out if you "bash" something that the left likes. Then you find out how intolerant they are.
4 posted on 10/18/2005 1:36:14 PM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: baseball_fan
Too bad we have to build walls to keep all those bastards who hate us out.

In the good old days their dictators would build walls to keep them in.

America is hated because we freed the individual and made the government subservient to the desire of the governed. Some people still need their royal blood lines and rule by (their) arbitrary decree.

Their walls failed and the peasants revolt, why not have generational hatred for those who planted the idea that ruined their good thing.
5 posted on 10/18/2005 1:42:19 PM PDT by mmercier (a machine that would go of itself)
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To: dhs12345
"Dario Fo, the winner of the 1997 Nobel Prize for literature, put it in a notorious post-September 11 email"

“The great speculators [of American capitalism] wallow in an economy that every years kills tens of millions of people with poverty [in the Third World] — so what is 20,000 dead in New York? Regardless of who carried out the massacre [of 9-11], this violence is the legitimate daughter of the culture of violence, hunger and inhumane exploitation.”

6 posted on 10/18/2005 1:47:55 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Let me guess, he is a fan of Communism -- that killed 60 million people.


8 posted on 10/18/2005 1:57:51 PM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: dhs12345
Let me guess, he is a fan of Communism -- that killed 60 million people.

Yep but over 100 million dead.

9 posted on 10/18/2005 2:01:31 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: vetsvette
There are no intellectual origins of America-Bashing, just moronic origins.

I don't think the author meant "intellectual" in a good way.

10 posted on 10/18/2005 2:05:08 PM PDT by MitchellC (Foolishness isn't a mental disorder.)
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To: ncountylee

I read that it was higher that 60 million but never had any stats to prove it. It is difficult to get an exact number since Communism was and still is very closed.


11 posted on 10/18/2005 2:13:55 PM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: baseball_fan
This is an older article, I believe, or an extraction from a longer work by the same author. This is not necessarily the root of America-bashing but it is definitely a description of the first odd turn Marxism took to explain away the clearly invalid predictions in the Manifesto Of The Communist Party that were turning up even during Marx's lifetime. The "immiserization" process included features that were measurably incorrect, including increasing illiteracy on the part of the proletariat, increasing "alienation" caused by falling wages, decreasing employment, and the one cited by the author, falling profits. This was predicted in 1848 by Marx - the Manifesto, despite being credited to both he and Engels, was nearly entirely Marx - and was not all that unbelievable given the social turmoil of the late industrial revolution and the revolutionary atmosphere of 1848.

But by the mid-1860's, when Marx wrote Capital, it was already becoming apparent that this set of events was at least delayed if not outright invalid. By the time Baran wrote his thesis it was so glaringly wrong that something had to be done to preserve it, and that Baran did by proposing that the immiserization had been distributed to the developing world, not, incidentally, in the least Marxian in that the newly immiserated were not the industrial proletariat.

There was another turn in the plot in the French academe in the 1960's when such luminaries as Foucault proposed that Marxian power relationships between economic classes were, in fact, prevalent between classes described by ethnicity, sexual preference, gender, sanity, nearly anything but economics so long as the Marxian "class consciousness" was retained, and sometimes despite the fact that it wasn't.

Marxism's true roots were always sociological rather than philosophical, historical, or economic, and by the time of Foucault practical Marxism had been systematically stripped of nearly everything but. Though yet another twist its remnants found a home in post-modernism, with the latter's heavy emphasis on dialectical and textual analysis and its distillation of modern thought into a form of quasi-literary criticism. None of this is what Marx had in mind; indeed, if his reactions to similar heresies during his lifetime are any guide, he would have exploded.

12 posted on 10/18/2005 2:17:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dhs12345
Let me guess, he is a fan of Communism -- that killed 60 million people.

COrrection - probably closer to 210 million

13 posted on 10/18/2005 2:31:36 PM PDT by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: An Old Marine

I figured it was higher. But didn't have any reference to the higher number.

Figured Mao killed more. Of course, no one will ever know for sure how many died.


14 posted on 10/18/2005 2:45:51 PM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: baseball_fan

This analysis is brought to you by the letters N and V.


15 posted on 10/18/2005 2:55:46 PM PDT by rightwinggoth
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First off, check out my handle. Yes, I am in fact a visiting liberal. I understand that most of you won't agree with me on many ideological issues, and vice versa. I peruse Free Republic to get an idea of how conservatives think, because I honestly believe we should try to understand one another better.

That being said, this particular article inspired me to comment for the first time. I see the term "America-Bashing" used regularly in reference to liberals, and it honestly confuses me.

I love America. I grew up here, I've lived here all my life, and I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else unless I absolutely had to. But this doesn't - at least for me - equate to loving the government of America, or its policies. To me, love of America means supporting it when it's in the right, and correcting this country when it veers off course.

When the American revolution happened, this country's first patriots knew what it meant to love the British people and hate the British government. The first Americans basically were British, and thought of themselves as such. But the government had become too greedy, too powerful, too overbearing, and was punished for it.

We have a better system of punishing the government now. We remove our officials from office peacefully during elections. If they are criminal while in office, we remove them immediately and put them in jail. We replace them with, hopefully, better people. But we aren't beholden to them... They are beholden to us.

Now, it happens that you and I disagree on who in our current government are worthy individuals and who are not. We also strongly disagree on current foreign policy. You believe we are largely on the right course, while I believe we are not.

But what in that leads you to believe I actually hate America? Does a mother who corrects her child's misbehavior hate her child? No. She does it not despite her love, but because of it.

Disagree with me all you want... Disagreement is one thing that makes America great. But don't accuse me of hating my country.


16 posted on 10/18/2005 3:01:31 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Visiting Liberal

So I take it that you didn't actually read the article, which is an analysis of the Marxist response to the failure of Marx's essential thesis - that the constant squeeze on the bottom line caused by competitive enterprise would force capitalists to immiserate the working class to such a degree that revolution becomes inevitable.

No immiseration - no revolution. No revolution - no socialism.

Thence the move to condemning America as the immiserator of the world.

So as an itinerant 'liberal', are you for or against that analysis?


17 posted on 10/18/2005 3:23:42 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: baseball_fan

I can see why the Muslim Arabs like this theory - it says their failure isn't their fault. Then they use the USA as a scapegoat.


18 posted on 10/18/2005 3:24:56 PM PDT by RoadTest (The Clintons have no sense of shame.)
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To: Visiting Liberal
But don't accuse me of hating my country.

Or else what?

19 posted on 10/18/2005 3:25:20 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: baseball_fan
The first part of this article can be summed up like this: capitalism has produced such obvious benefits for workers in the West that it made Marxist theory implausible and unlikely to come true, so to continue the fantasy of Marxist inevitable victory they had to shift the victimization to the third world. This is sufficient setup for the last part of the article which attempts to show that this third-world theory is unlikely to produce revolutionary change since there is no direct contact, much less confrontation, between exploited and exploiter. This is all well and good as far as it goes, but it avoids examining the explicitly racial nature of this new Marxism. It isn't just capitalist exploiting labor, it's white exploiting non-white, and white countries exploiting non-white countries. (It is telling that Japan, long the world's 2cnd largest economy seldom gets this sort of criticism.) As long as conservatives remain too cowardly to confront that reality, central to the political struggles going on today, they are doomed to lose

This is because the original immiserization thesis was set within the context of a class war within a society — an actual civil war between different classes of one and the same society, and not between different nations on different continents.

Which explains the fanaticism of the leftist mania for immigration. They are importing a proletariat to make that confrontation local, and the inevitable confrontation will be terrible because it will be racial: between a largely white ruling class and a non-white working class. In fact, because modern capitalism is seen as a white phenomenon the mere presence of these non-white immigrants is considered to be revolutionary since it is in and of itself destructive of the culture that nutures capitalism.

20 posted on 10/18/2005 3:26:34 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: headsonpikes
Honestly? No, I didn't read the article. I saw the term "America-Bashing" and, having seen it more times than I could count, felt I should respond to it. I suppose I should read the article, if only to understand how an analysis of Marx's ideas could lead to accusing liberals of "America-Bashing." Liberals aren't communists, and don't adhere to Marx's philosophy. I certainly don't; communism is a theory that only works in an absolute black-and-white moral world. As soon as human greed, envy, and pigheadedness come into play, it falls apart.
21 posted on 10/18/2005 3:31:43 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: rogue yam

Or else I'll ask you more sternly not to do it. :)

Seriously, I don't hate my country. The idea that I should even have to point that out is sad.


22 posted on 10/18/2005 3:34:09 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Billthedrill

"This is an older article, I believe..."

>Yes, Dec '02, but still seems important, I was unaware of the evolution in the debate and how some left opinion-makers see themselves.

"This is not necessarily the root of America-bashing..."

>...?


23 posted on 10/18/2005 3:34:39 PM PDT by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Seriously, I don't hate my country.

I don't think you do. However, there are those, on both sides of the isle, that profit politically from the differences of policy between "Conservative" and "Liberal". It's not America that's at stake, or freedom, or World Peace, but just some peoples careers.

24 posted on 10/18/2005 3:43:10 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Visiting Liberal

"Honestly? No, I didn't read the article...I suppose I should."

That would help.


25 posted on 10/18/2005 3:44:17 PM PDT by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: Visiting Liberal
communism is a theory that only works in an absolute black-and-white moral world. As soon as human greed, envy, and pigheadedness come into play, it falls apart.

Just as I suspected the 'liberal' position to be:

communism is a perfect system - it's people who are flawed.

It is my observation that this is the Big Lie that is the foundation stone of every totalitarian regime.

26 posted on 10/18/2005 3:46:47 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: baseball_fan

Bump for later


27 posted on 10/18/2005 3:49:06 PM PDT by schu
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To: Visiting Liberal

Liberals DO America Bash.
Look at how they treat the flag, how they spew hatred at US soldiers, how they call our soldiers 'baby killers', how they scream and shout at people who proudly display the flag, how they constantly say stupid things along the lines of America deserving 9/11...

You cannot say that Liberals don't bash America.


28 posted on 10/18/2005 3:54:54 PM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Seriously, I don't hate my country. The idea that I should even have to point that out is sad.

Dude. I live in Frisco. I go to all of the commie rallies. The left is lousy with people who hate America. So you say you aren't one of them? Whoopty-frickin'-doo! The very fact that you come on to this thread and spew a bunch of whiny nonsense, while ignoring the plain reality that many of your fellow lefties are evil, lying haters of America, makes me think that you, yourself, are a profoundly dishonest person. Thus, I conclude that you almost certainly hate America.

29 posted on 10/18/2005 3:57:32 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: headsonpikes
Just as I suspected the 'liberal' position to be:

communism is a perfect system - it's people who are flawed.


You drastically misunderstand me. My intention wasn't to say that people are flawed, it was to point out that communism is. Any system that only works if people are...

1) Exactly the same
2) Perfect in every way
3) Capable of producing exactly as much output of resources as they use

...is a terrible system.

Every economic system has its strengths and weaknesses. Liberals tend to think that the best economic system is capitalism tempered with some socialism, such as in medical insurance. But we've got no illusions that that's a perfect system either.

Every economic system can and will be abused by those who know how to work it.
30 posted on 10/18/2005 3:58:22 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Darksheare
Liberals DO America Bash.
Look at how they treat the flag, how they spew hatred at US soldiers, how they call our soldiers 'baby killers', how they scream and shout at people who proudly display the flag, how they constantly say stupid things along the lines of America deserving 9/11...


Painting me with the same blanket statements you would use to paint the most fringy of the fringe does both you and me a disservice. I have never acted like that, and most liberals don't. Similarly, most conservatives don't spew hatred like Fred Phelps or the like. But some do. Should I, then, accuse you of being a "jingoistic, ignorant, racist, redneck hick" because you're a conservative?

No. Absolutely not. I don't hate you. I disagree with you. There's a huge difference.

As an aside, I have a problem with the way most people in my city display the American flag. My problem? No, it's not the fact that they display it. It's the disrespect with which they display it. They leave it hanging out rain or shine, let it get ragged and moldy, they don't fly it at half-staff at the proper times, they let it get faded and discolored without properly retiring it and replacing it with a fresh one, and they think that a sun-bleached American flag magnet in their car window somehow makes them more patriotic than me.

It doesn't. It makes them more willing to buy crud made in China.
31 posted on 10/18/2005 4:09:38 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Every economic system has its strengths and weaknesses. Liberals tend to think that the best economic system is capitalism tempered with some socialism, such as in medical insurance. But we've got no illusions that that's a perfect system either. Every economic system can and will be abused by those who know how to work it.

Let me be frank.

IMHO, your posts demonstrate a naivete about the possibility of melding free human action with socialism in any guise.

To me, the clear evidence of history is that the state has the skills and power to kill and destroy, but not to nurture or create.

But that's okay - that's all I, as a conservative, can ask the state to do!

It's you guys who have the problem of reconciling the sordid realities of the human experience wth your 'ideals'.

32 posted on 10/18/2005 4:13:40 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: Visiting Liberal

"Painting me with the same blanket statements you would use to paint the most fringy of the fringe does both you and me a disservice."

Sorry, it is the heart and core of Liberalism.
If you don't likei that it is pointed out, change it.
Any Dem senator or Representative that slams the U.S. and blames America for what happened on 9/11 should get teh boot, right?
If you don't like the so-called 'blanket statement', change the reason it is a true statement.

"I have a problem with the way most people in my city display the American flag."

So you don't like someone displaying the flag?
There are all weather flags, and if you have a light shining on it, it may be left up at night.

Next?


33 posted on 10/18/2005 4:15:51 PM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: rogue yam
Dude. I live in Frisco. I go to all of the commie rallies. The left is lousy with people who hate America. So you say you aren't one of them? Whoopty-frickin'-doo! The very fact that you come on to this thread and spew a bunch of whiny nonsense, while ignoring the plain reality that many of your fellow lefties are evil, lying haters of America, makes me think that you, yourself, are a profoundly dishonest person. Thus, I conclude that you almost certainly hate America.

I'm genuinely curious about this: What exactly have the liberals you've witnessed done or said that makes you think they hate America? I've seen and heard lots of statements that lead me to believe they share my dislike for this government and its policies, but nothing that screams "I hate America."

Please give me some examples of mainstream liberals showing their hatred. I'm not looking for the wacko fringe (unless you want me to turn around and present Fred Phelps as a "typical conservative"), I'm looking for the real thing.
34 posted on 10/18/2005 4:16:13 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Seriously, I don't hate my country. The idea that I should even have to point that out is sad.

****************

Why?

35 posted on 10/18/2005 4:16:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: baseball_fan
Yes, Dec '02...

Er, yes...that would be the largish bold letters at the top that I read right over, wouldn't it? Hmm...

When I said it wasn't necessarily the root of America-bashing I meant that that wasn't the thrust of the article. I do think that the idea of distributing immiserization to the Third World was more of a polemical idea than an advance of Marxist theory - it was controversial in Marxist circles at the time and has become a keystone more through longevity than through theoretical soundness.

In point of fact, America-bashing of at least the current European variety does have a long and storied Marxist origin. Jean-Francois Revel wrote an excellent treatment of this in his recent Anti-Americanism, a must-read on the topic. Highly recommended.

36 posted on 10/18/2005 4:25:24 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Visiting Liberal
Painting me with the same blanket statements you would use to paint the most fringy of the fringe does both you and me a disservice. I have never acted like that, and most liberals don't. Similarly, most conservatives don't spew hatred like Fred Phelps or the like. But some do. Should I, then, accuse you of being a "jingoistic, ignorant, racist, redneck hick" because you're a conservative?

The difference is that when a 'conservative' takes an anti-semitic/racist/name your PC favorite stance he is called on it by fellow conservatives.

Liberals can say the most outrageous things in any category and no one on your side calls them on it. Take the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd..... and on and on.... Where are those on your side to call your leaders on their hypocrisy?

37 posted on 10/18/2005 4:25:38 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: headsonpikes

Here's a puzzle for you, then. If the state only has the "power to kill and destroy," why exactly are we in Iraq at the moment? We seem to be engaged in a nation-building exercise using the tool least suited to the task - i.e., the state.

Now, as it stands I actually agree with you on some levels. However, I firmly believe we, in this country, have succeeded in creating the best possible state, as it's the first to be by, of, and for the people. The worst thing that could happen would be if that stopped being the case.


38 posted on 10/18/2005 4:25:42 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Let's give you a small ink blot test.
What do you see when you see this:


39 posted on 10/18/2005 4:28:35 PM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: Visiting Liberal
Here's a puzzle for you, then. If the state only has the "power to kill and destroy," why exactly are we in Iraq at the moment? We seem to be engaged in a nation-building exercise using the tool least suited to the task - i.e., the state.

Don't be a noob....noob.....
40 posted on 10/18/2005 4:29:32 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: Visiting Liberal

Hey Liberal...

Click on this link here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts



And shove it. We don't WANT liberals here. This is a CONSERVATIVE site.


41 posted on 10/18/2005 4:31:30 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: Visiting Liberal

Saddam repeatedly violated the 1991 surrender agreement, repeatedly funded terrorism, repeatedly and systematically murdered his own people, and most certainly did have ties to AQ.
Saddam was forking out roughly 28,000 dollars to the families of Hamas homicide bombers.
Saddam also tried to assassinate G.H.W. Bush, but Saddams secret police were so completyel;y inept at their task that they got caught.
You see, they'd tried to put dynamite in the flower boxes on the building GHWB was in, but somebody saw the wires and dynamite bundles sticking out of the boxes and blew the whistle.


42 posted on 10/18/2005 4:32:46 PM PDT by Darksheare (Cellphones, the Wholly Roamin' Empire.)
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To: Visiting Liberal
I see this in your future....


43 posted on 10/18/2005 4:33:39 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: Darksheare
Please name the Democratic Senators or Representatives that have blamed the attacks of 9/11 on America itself. Please include the time, place, and context in which they made such absurd statements.

Please do not include any instance of a Senator or Representative suggesting we take a hard look at ourselves to figure out what went wrong and how to stop it in the future. That's the patriotic thing to do, the right thing to do, and calling that America Bashing is delusional.

I resent the blanket statement because, quite simply, it isn't true. Liberals do not hate America. You're currently talking to an America-loving citizen who happens to dislike our current government. I am living proof you're wrong.

So you don't like someone displaying the flag?
There are all weather flags, and if you have a light shining on it, it may be left up at night.


I know that. My point was that the people displaying their faux patriotism here don't know it. People here display flags that have been so thoroughly abused it's just sad. You almost seem to be intentionally misunderstanding my comments so that you can dislike me, while I'm trying to engage in an honest discussion. Please try to remember there's a live human being behind this keyboard, and you could try to treat him with some courtesy.
44 posted on 10/18/2005 4:35:30 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: baseball_fan

Actually, as far as internal America-bashing goes, we inherited a lot of it from the British. There's a reason that Koko's little list (in Mikado) includes an entry for 'All those who praise with enthusiastic tone/Every century but this and every country but their own.'


45 posted on 10/18/2005 4:38:57 PM PDT by chb
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To: Darksheare

Not sure what your point in showing me a photo of our soldiers is. Did you think I'd respond with automatic revulsion? I have nothing but respect for people who are willing to literally die for their country.


46 posted on 10/18/2005 4:39:25 PM PDT by Visiting Liberal (Best country in the world)
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To: vetsvette

What frightens me is the passion and the hatred that comes with anti-Americanism. The facts are there to be distorted so long as they advance the anti-American cause. It is OK to be anti-American, even if it puts one on the side of the Saddam Husseins.


47 posted on 10/18/2005 4:40:49 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Visiting Liberal

Why, it's Phil Donohue! Thanks for stopping by!


48 posted on 10/18/2005 4:40:53 PM PDT by Sam's Army (Intense and spicy, with a hint of sarcasm and a dry finish.)
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To: Visiting Liberal

Do your own homework, kid. You are a liar and you hate America; that is why you are attempting to disrupt this site. I can see through your wickedness without even trying.


49 posted on 10/18/2005 4:42:17 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Visiting Liberal

I move the previous question. Can we get your take on the actual article?


50 posted on 10/18/2005 4:42:17 PM PDT by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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