Posted on 10/18/2005 3:33:39 PM PDT by RWR8189
Arms Proliferation: Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez, who recently visited Iran, reportedly is seeking nuclear weapons. Will they come from Russia with love?
Maybe — if Russia continues to run a weapons bazaar where rogue nations are given special-shopper privileges.
Already, it appears Russia has acted as a broker by greasing the way for North Korea to transfer technology that will let Iran build missiles with a 2,200-mile reach. That puts several European capitals, including Athens, Rome and Berlin, within Tehran's range.
Russia also is supporting Iran's "nuclear power" program, having sold it a reactor. Which is to say Russia supports Iran's nuclear-weapons program.
All this is ominous enough. But compounding matters would be Russia's support, either directly or through Tehran, of the nuclear ambitions of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez. In fact, it's an all-too-realistic possibility that a weapons-trade relationship has already been established. According to the White House, Venezuela has begun to take delivery of 100,000 Russian-made AK47s.
Given Chavez's thick-as-thieves relationship with Fidel Castro, we could someday find Cuba again pointing nuclear missiles our way. That's not idle speculation. Castro and the mullahs have long, documented ties on energy cooperation that are just beginning to get congressional scrutiny. We've already lived through one Cuban missile crisis. Those of us old enough to remember don't need another.
Imagine a world in which radical mullahs in Iran, a malevolent tyrant in Venezuela
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ping
It wouldnt be an "oppresive" regime without Russian or Chinese made arms...now would it?
There's must be some kind of tyrant checklist out there...you know?
1. get former US POTUS Jimmah Catah to do a photo-op.
2. Slam W, and indicate America as the enemy of the world. (Create the necessary enemy to distract the citizenry)
3. Buy Russian or Chinese made Armaments.
4. Ensure there are no term limiations to the "Presidency", and jail all political dissidents and opponents.
5. Create secret police.
6. Have Google restructure the nations internet.
I guess Fidel wasn't up to the trip!
Ping to Gary!!
BTTT
Frigen Putin cannot be trusted anymore then any other Russian we have ever had to do business with. Their record speaks for itself. They cannot be trusted. They have their own agendas amd will pursue them, in spite of what it does for world stability. Like General George S. Patton Jr., said many years ago, we should have re-armed the Nazi armies and taken out the Russians when we had the chance.
"A strong-willed White House backed by a just-as-resolute Great Britain should insist the Russians alter course. Germany and Italy would be wise to join...
Could Putin say no to the pressure that such an alliance could bring? Not if every member was serious about its role and none played under the table with the Russian president."
Unfortunately, this alliance is unlikely. This is part of the genius of the Russian strategy. The Europeans are grateful to no longer have Russian tank armies looming.
"It's important, though, to avoid making Putin feel as if he's being ganged up on. That could push him in the wrong direction, one in which he's already headed but which can — and must — be changed."
Goofy Liberal twist
"Paris isn't in danger — yet — but with half of France within Iran's prospective missile range, it would be foolish to sit this one out."
Paris won't get nuked. They will just continue to lose every shred of self respect as the Muslims pull them down into ever-more humiliating compliance. It is pointless to murder your own slave.
I have given up arguing with you. You really have no idea how mistaken several of you are on Russia. Things are for the most part not like you see in the news. You would think Special Forces operatives like Sarajevo, DevSix and myself would convince you. Add two more field grade officers who have said you are wrong. You're the Google Queen, and so have at it.
Gary, you and your family have direct experience with Putin. No wonder you are such a big fan of former KGB murderer! Also, I do not care what a few anonymous individuals on the internet say.
Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503209/posts
"Moscow supports Tehran in nuclear stand-off"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489084/posts
"Russia against referring Iran to UN Security Council
yahoo news/Reuters ^ | Sep 5, 2005"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478143/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503048/posts
rice fails to win support on iran
"Russian agents flood UK in revival of intelligence Cold War"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1256959/posts
"The Russians Are Coming - As Many Russian Spies Now In The U.S. as during the Cold War"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331878/posts
" Spying 'still at Cold War levels'"--Germany
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12096507%255E1702,00.html
"Russia to supply Syria with ammunition, train officers"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1493609/posts
Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1260875/posts
WashingtonTimes
Inside the Ring
A Pentagon report on weapons found in Iraq after the war revealed a staggering amount of armaments, almost all foreign-made. The report, first disclosed in a new book by one of this column's writers, Bill Gertz, reached this stark conclusion: "Foreign munitions were used against coalition forces during the war and continue to be a potential source of explosives for improvised explosive devices still being used to kill U.S. soldiers."
According to the report cited in "Treachery: How America's Friends and Foes are Secretly Arming Our Enemies," 24 nations supplied armaments to Saddam Hussein. The total amount was between 650,000 tons and 1 million tons. By contrast, the entire U.S. military arsenal is between 1.6 million and 1.8 million tons.
The big three arms suppliers were Russia (and the Soviet Union), China and France: Russia supplied 122 different types of arms and a total of nearly 13 million items; China had provided 19 different types of arms and almost 380,000 items; France had supplied 12 different armaments and more than 115,000 items.
The report was produced by the office of deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, John Shaw.
It found that Russia had violated U.N. sanctions on Iraq by selling Saddam Hussein Kornet-E antitank guided weapons. The report said that in March 2003, Kornet missiles, first developed in 1994, were fired at two U.S. Army M-1A1 Abrams tanks near Najaf, disabling them.
The report also stated that Syria purchased 500 to 1,000 Kornets from Ukraine "on behalf of Iraq"; the transfers took place in early 2003, the report said. The Ukrainians had bought the missiles from Russian manufacturers. The report concluded, "Possession of the Kornet-E violates U.N. Security Council Resolution 687," which barred arms sales to Iraq.
Toying with revolution, Chavez doll on sale - Move over Ken and Barbie, the revolution is here.
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Russia denies role in alleged Iran missile deal
MOSCOW (AFX) - Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov has denied a British newspaper report alleging that former members of the Russian military have been secretly helping Iran make missiles capable of hitting European capitals. 'It's delirium, nonsense,' said Ivanov, questioned by journalists in New Delhi, where he was attending joint Russian-Indian military exercises, on a report in Britain's Sunday Telegraph. =====================================================
Russia Moved Iraqi WMD - Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon
According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria.
"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.
According to Shaw, Russian units hid Saddam's arsenal inside Syria and in Lebanon's Bekka valley.
"While in Iraq I uncovered detailed information that Spetsnatz units shredded records and moved all WMD and specified advanced munitions out of Iraq to Syria and Lebanon," stated Shaw during an exclusive interview.
"I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives. Moscow made a 2001 agreement with Saddam Hussein to clear up all Russian involvement in WMD systems in Iraq," stated Shaw.
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Russian Officers Train PA in Judea, Samaria
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Caspian Sea: the lawless territory waiting for troubles
The enemy behind all of our enemies is Moscow! Not a damn thing has changed. The Cold War never ended and is about to get a lot hotter.
Post #13 was meant for Stellar Dendrite
I thought you were done posting to me? LOL!
I dont care what that individual says, like I said earlier..the opinons of anonymous individuals dont carry much weight.
What does carry weight is these reports I listed, from the Washington times and other news outlets. But keep shilling for your favorite KGB murderer.....just don't get mad when people point out that a leopard never changes his spots.
That same line was used on someone else in here already. It looks like the Putin Platoon is crawling out of the Red woodwork.
"The above article is typical ratclap filled with assumptions, suppositions, with a tad bit of truth."
Why don't you tell everyone the 'facts' according to Col Putin. What do you think everyone is a dumb schmuck and is actually going to buy into the pro-Moscow line of the hour?
You ever get the feeling you are slightly outnumbered? Putin is arming the worst pack of tyrants in 2005, The Mullahs, Hugo, Assad, and what do we have here? Could it be true....Hamas death cultists in the Gaza Strip? Wow - Tell everyone it's not so.
You on the payroll now?
Stick to your Russian List.
the funny thing about it is, this is FR where everyone knows what a POS putin is. no one believes gary.
Thanks for the postings on how our dear Russian friends, ahem, may not be so dear. Getting past my bedtime, so I will bookmark. If you don't get a reply from me it will be due to overload. But in a pinch, for those in self denial or otherwise that don't think the Russian where deeply involved in Iraq, and for whatever reasons will surface in the future as positive proof, regarding they may have helped move stuff to outside Iraq in those final days, I think they are being ill informed. The French and Russians where fully involved in supplying and advising Saddam on what do at all levels. To not see this most indicate some want to willingly bury their heads in the sand for whatever reason.
"You ever get the feeling you are slightly outnumbered? Putin is arming the worst pack of tyrants in 2005, The Mullahs, Hugo, Assad, and what do we have here? Could it be true....Hamas death cultists in the Gaza Strip? Wow - Tell everyone it's not so."
Anyone that thinks the Russians are not fully involved in arming whether through nuclear how to, weapontry, or general aid, known enemies of the USA, must have their heads in the sand. No other way to look at it. There has been entirely to much good will offered by the L/MSM (are hints required), of how well the US and Russia work together, to avoid seeing through the mirage. Russia has not changed much dispite the ongoing years of L/MSM reporting and otherwise. They have their agenda. And it does not include a full cooperation with the US interest. To think otherwise is folly. We are two different civilzations for one. This crap for years about Pepsi Cola and whatever taking over the Russian psychic is for American consumption. Nice warm fuzzy feelings. The Russians have their agendas. And nothing will stop them from pursuing eventual warm water ports for commercial growth, and their strong desire to once again be seen as a super power. The list is long and it is past my bedtime. So I will leave it go at that.
The former trucked in shipment predicament has been such a 'burden for Damascus'. Assad & company require that burden be lifted (in more ways then one.)
I wonder what statements will be forth coming from Paris & Moscow when Saddam's 'missing' weapons are recovered?
I shall honor any required response, but my eye balls are rolling around ready for sleep. Price of achciving 59, ha ha. I bookmarmked this thread that includes your post/references. Hopefully I shall get to them tommorow if the good Lord bids me another day. But as you are so aware, there are so many loose ends that yet must be un-raveled and pointed out. As many Freepers have commented on over the past year plus, based on articles and blog sites etc., many things where move out of the country. And surely it was not just trucks full of Iraqi dinars to support future insurgency operations by Izzat Ibriham el-Dorui and his minons. Stuff was move to the Beka Valley, and perhaps other areas, within Syria. And the Russians are not innocent bystanders. To think otherwise is admitting complete ignorance in the matter.
Yeah ! "You really have no idea how mistaken several of you are on Russia." Gary has spoken ! Gary is from Special Forces, so he knows what is really going on !
So gary how do you explain the russian governments behavior? You already sent me a message a few weeks ago saying but Putin is a christian believer.You know what, actions speak louder than saying you're christian and the way they are always since ww2 involved in everything going counter to US and western European intrests says alot. They keep rearming the worst regimes in history and through to this day. We arent fools here and can see where this is heading.
Gary is one of our resident apologists.
Where's jb6?
He's around here somewhere. He tends to avoid the really damning evidence when it can't be denied(it looks to bad), otherwise he spins it far and wide. And I anoint him king of the apologists when it comes to Russia, though I lean to the side he is an agent.
"though I lean to the side he is an agent."
Maybe they sent the last check by submarine.
Thank you for the ping...scary to consider, where this is going to lead.
Ping
Here's a possible hidden clause in these deals - rights of usage on short notice. And if that is the case, then, for all intents and purposes, proliferation may actually be hidden predeployment into geographies meant the threaten the West in a manner similar to what happened with the SS-20s but even worse, given potential deployments in the Americas. Except this time, there will be no Western reaction, no Ronald Reagan promising our own IRBM counterforce near the Axis countries.
Truer words have never before been written!
Herr Putin, SS man with a Russian accent.
Not to forget the Chinese, they are also arming commie dictators in our back yard, in conjunction with the Russian KGB agents.
Russia, (or the Former USSR) however, is running the show.
More like a member of the Comintern and high ranking KGB agent. Also, if you look Gorbachaev, you see him advocating Communism!
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