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Group Sees Hypocrisy in Schools' Embracing 'Gay Pride,' Rejecting 'In God We Trust'
Agape Press ^ | 10.18.05 | Jim Brown and Jenni Parker

Posted on 10/18/2005 6:43:25 PM PDT by Coleus

Group Sees Hypocrisy in Schools' Embracing 'Gay Pride,' Rejecting 'In God We Trust'

The same school board that ignored parents' objections and allowed what many regard as a "gay pride" flag to be placed in a Livingston County, Michigan, high school has repeatedly rejected the idea of displaying posters featuring the U.S. national motto "In God We Trust."

Despite outrage from pro-family community members, Howell (Michigan) High School has refused to take down the rainbow-colored "diversity flag" that some students and parents who associate the emblem with homosexual pride find offensive. However, when the group called the Livingston Organization for Values in Education, or LOVE, offered to donate framed copies of "In God We Trust" posters for classroom display, the Howell Board of Education turned down the offer.

Some board members have argued that the community members protesting the rainbow flag are misinterpreting its meaning and significance. The flag was hung by the Howell High School's Diversity Club with the school administration's permission; and according to its defenders, the flag denotes tolerance, inclusion, and acceptance for all -- not necessarily promotion of the homosexual lifestyle.

Some Howell school officials believe LOVE's primary agenda in pushing the national motto poster and prolonging debate over the rainbow flag is simply to pressure the district to remove the flag and change its diversity policy. In a recent Ann Arbor News report, Howell School Board president Mary Jo Dymond said she and the other board members have moved on from this nearly two-year-old issue, and others who want to continue fighting over the "diversity flag" need to move on as well.

Nevertheless, LOVE spokeswoman Vicki Fyke says her group is not giving up the fight. "We will be at every school board meeting, asking again for some reconsideration," she insists. Meanwhile, the concerned citizens group is pressing the issue in other ways.

One LOVE member, Howell resident Tom Mallon, has e-mailed a letter to the school board and to Superintendent Chuck Briener, sharply criticizing the school officials' decision to refuse the national motto poster. In the letter, Ann Arbor News reports, Mallon claimed the district has demonstrated "a proclivity to disregard the traditional values" for which his group stands, and has stifled debate over these issues.

At the same time, Fyke points out, "We're educating the public. We're putting together some brochures, and we're going to make a mailing to the people that signed the marriage amendment and ask for some help. Now that we realize [the school board] won't listen to reason, maybe they'll listen to some numbers."

The LOVE representative feels the school board is promoting a one-sided view of diversity by displaying the homosexual pride flag while spurning the "In God We Trust" poster. She believes the board is demonstrating its bias and hypocrisy by censoring the national motto while embracing the controversial "gay pride" symbol to promote homosexuality.

"In trying to make one group of children feel comfortable, they have no problem offending another group of children," Fyke contends. "So we're just trying to find a way to bring common sense to the cause and see if we can find a way to make all the kids feel comfortable to go to school."

According to the American Family Association's Center for Law & Policy, three circuits of the U.S. Court of Appeals have upheld the constitutionality of the national motto. Nevertheless, the Howell School Board has repeatedly rejected the offer of the In God We Trust poster, giving as its reason that the issue of the separation of church and state is still being debated in court.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bugerrers; deviants; education; gaypride; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; hypocricy; hypocrisy; incondomstheytrust; ingodwetrust; pedophiles; perverts; schoolboard; schools; sickos
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1 posted on 10/18/2005 6:43:29 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I'm waiting for "Heterosexual Pride Day".


2 posted on 10/18/2005 6:44:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

I'm waiting for "Heterosexual Pride Day".

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Yeah, it would be like publishing a magazine called "WHITE AS SNOW" -- in contrast to EBONY. Of course YOU would be racist, not the radical minority.


4 posted on 10/18/2005 6:47:38 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Coleus
...according to its defenders, the flag denotes tolerance, inclusion, and acceptance for all...

I will tolerate homosexuality, but I will not accept it. There's a big difference between the two.

5 posted on 10/18/2005 6:49:08 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Coleus

The funny thing is this is a 'no duh' kind of story.

Its just the combined PC brigades, lefty MSM, and race baiting charletons that make it something that has to be said.


6 posted on 10/18/2005 6:51:11 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Sheiite.)
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To: Coleus
The same school board that ignored parents' objections and allowed what many regard as a "gay pride" flag to be placed in a Livingston County, Michigan, high school has repeatedly rejected the idea of displaying posters featuring the U.S. national motto "In God We Trust."

Why should anybody be surprised by this?

Doesn't rejecting God and celebrating what God calls sin, go hand in hand?
Makes sense to me.

7 posted on 10/18/2005 6:53:17 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: randog
..according to its defenders, the flag denotes tolerance, inclusion, and acceptance for all...

Except for Christians. Anyone who cares about tolerance would want to do everything they could to stamp out such a dangerous cult. [/sarcasm]

8 posted on 10/18/2005 6:56:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: popdonnelly
"Heterosexual Pride Day". That would be fun to see.:). I am a first grade teacher. I delve into "diversity" a little, but it doesn't involve anything with gay issues at all. Mine involve those with handicaps.

Diversity seems to have become synonymous with gayness with a lot of people. I just don't see it as that. To me, it means respecting others' differences (yet striving for common purposes), but not promoting anything to do with sexual overtones (which does not belong in a grade school classroom).

I have a guy with Down's Syndrome come help every Friday. He helps me a lot and the kids absolutely love him and he loves them. He was hesitant to show up again this year, but when a couple of students showed up last year and gave him big hugs, "Jim" relented and said he would be back. He is a big teddy bear and has such a great outlook on life. His favorite thing to say is, "I love my life." That's an attitude a lot of people, including me, could learn to have. I have so many fun stories from last year about Jim. He has become a great friend in the process too. This year, after the first time helping, the kids said, "Jim talks a little funny, but I sure like him."

I have seen Jim through happiness and sadness--especially when his handicapped niece passed away. Jim had a special connection with her and his first reaction was, "Am I next?"

So that is my little lesson on diversity except I'm not the one doing the teaching. Jim shows us every Friday what unconditional love and a zest for life is all about and we are better because of him.

I wish everything didn't have to be so political and that we could learn to appreciate the little golden nuggets in life. Someday, I hope to say as Jim does and "love my life."

9 posted on 10/18/2005 6:58:46 PM PDT by moog
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To: Baynative

How about working, taxpaying, normal productive, law abiding people's day?

How about stay-at-home mom's day? I'll start one if no one else will.


10 posted on 10/18/2005 6:59:48 PM PDT by moog
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To: Coleus; Jorge

There must be some way to scrape these people off the bottom of my shoes....................FRegards


11 posted on 10/18/2005 7:01:16 PM PDT by gonzo (K-Y Jelly???.........Nope! I can't think of any other use for it either!............)
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To: Coleus
I remember in the 70's being in the Montrose area of Houston and listening to the queer activists. Their plan was simple, get society to see them as normal by making sure society didn't ever focus on what the queers did physically. In that regard they have been successful.

Someone should ask this school board how they can condone behavior that could result in students getting aids. Better yet, ask them in public if male students should be encouraged to have oral and anal sex. I call that "the fudgcicle" question. Queers hate that question.

The best thing for these folks to do is get some of their own people elected to the school board. Take it back!

12 posted on 10/18/2005 7:01:39 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: gonzo

There must be some way to scrape these people off the bottom of my shoes....................FRegards

Sharp sticks work for dog crap:)


13 posted on 10/18/2005 7:02:17 PM PDT by moog
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To: isthisnickcool

I call that "the fudgcicle" question. Queers hate that question.

You have ruined my appetite for fudge. :)


14 posted on 10/18/2005 7:03:22 PM PDT by moog
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To: Coleus
Nothing like seeing my backyard make the news because of this.

This flag was flown up in response to the passage of Proposal 2 (gay marriage ban) statewide(they are on record as stating this). This is in a 62% Bush county, where proposal 2 passed 60/40. In the last Howell school board election, 66% of the people did not vote for an incumbent, who only won because there were 5 others who split the vote. This does not fly out here, so they give us smokescreens calling it a "diversity flag" instead of a gay pride flag. The board is out of touch, complaining of money troubles, and just gave a big raise to the superintendent(undeserved).

I don't care whether someone is gay or not, nor care what they do in their homes. It's none of my business, and I don't want it to be my business. However, this stuff does not belong in our schools. Leave the kids alone.

The schools need to be watched over. If the left is pushing this in Republican America, they are pushing this in your town as well.

15 posted on 10/18/2005 7:07:21 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("My Gov'nor don't got the answer")
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To: moog
Diversity

Celebrating people's differences by pretending not to notice them.

16 posted on 10/18/2005 7:09:22 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't care whether someone is gay or not, nor care what they do in their homes. It's none of my business, and I don't want it to be my business. However, this stuff does not belong in our schools. Leave the kids alone.

Agreed. As a teacher, I don't have time to teach the stuff even if it was required (which it isn't). If a teacher has time to teach stuff like this, then he/she is not teaching.

17 posted on 10/18/2005 7:10:18 PM PDT by moog
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To: randog

Celebrating people's differences by pretending not to notice them.

Now that's funny.


18 posted on 10/18/2005 7:11:37 PM PDT by moog
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To: isthisnickcool
The best thing for these folks to do is get some of their own people elected to the school board. Take it back!

There was only one way the incumbent there was going to win - conservatives splitting the votes. That was my fear with five or six people running, and my fears were justified.

Last May, there were two major issues involving the schools. One was this flag, and the other was a countywide millage, while the schools are spending their way into debt - so both the fiscal conservatives and social conservatives were unhappy.

The millage was trounced, and the incumbent had about 30% of the vote - lowest of any incumbent running anywhere in the county. In a massive winner take all race, it was enough to win. The establishment united, and fiscal irresponsibility and political correctness won by default in the school board race.

They have Ann Arbor. They have much of Oakland County. They have Lansing. Why do they have to come to our town, and why do they have to invade our schools?

19 posted on 10/18/2005 7:16:28 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("My Gov'nor don't got the answer")
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To: moog

"How about stay-at-home mom's day? I'll start one if no one else will."

Count me in. I worked for over 10 years before I got married and had kids and they can keep their jobs. I love it.


20 posted on 10/18/2005 7:18:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: moog
You have ruined my appetite for fudge. :)

Sorry. I had a good friend in high school who's father was "confused" let's say. Because of this I met a large number of queer men. They were a sad and self-loathing lot.

Oh they put on a good show. But I got to know some of them and they were just messed up in the head. They acted happy. But once you peeled back their exterior a bit you usually found self-destructive types.

It's like abortion. The discussion is "right to choose" or "pro-choice" or "it's the womans body". Or, my "favorite", it's a "privacy" issue. MY GOSH! YOU ARE KILLING A BABY! A HUMAN BEING! AND IT HAS RIGHTS TOO! But no, people have been trained to focus on certain "words" and away from the physical reality of things.

The same applies to queers, with the help of the media people have gotten used to focusing on "love" and "relationships" and "partners". Pablem! It's WHAT they do that's the issue. GROSS ME OUT! Oh, and by the way, they account for maybe 3% of the population. So could they just shut up? Queers are like Chihuahuas, they just make a lot of noise but when you get right down to it they are really too small to do anything...

21 posted on 10/18/2005 7:19:12 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: moog

"There must be some way to scrape these people off the bottom of my shoes....................FRegards

Sharp sticks work for dog crap:)"


LOLOLOLOL! That's just what I was thinking!


22 posted on 10/18/2005 7:19:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Count me in. I worked for over 10 years before I got married and had kids and they can keep their jobs. I love it.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My mom was one too and I sure appreciated her. As a teacher (like a lot of teachers), I REALLY appreciate stay-at-home moms. A good homemaker's kids are going to be pretty good ones usually. That's not to mention all the help and service they give. I realize there are some situations and circumstances, but again, I appreciate people like you who made that choice. I think that people really undervalue the true worth of moms. Without them, there wouldn't be anything.

23 posted on 10/18/2005 7:22:08 PM PDT by moog
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To: metmom
"Sharp sticks work for dog crap:)" LOLOLOLOL! That's just what I was thinking!

Having had to do it many times, I ought to know:)

24 posted on 10/18/2005 7:23:13 PM PDT by moog
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To: metmom
"Sharp sticks work for dog crap:)" LOLOLOLOL! That's just what I was thinking!

Having had to do it many times, I ought to know:)

25 posted on 10/18/2005 7:23:17 PM PDT by moog
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To: popdonnelly

Seems odd. Lots of Court decisions on this stuff.

If students at this High School created a club for God or Christ and it was open to everyone it would have to be recognized by the School. The students could then display a flag.
The parents would not be allowed to though.
A School District cannot bar students from exercising their religious or cultural rights in school clubs as long as they are tolerant and open to everyone that wishes to join.


26 posted on 10/18/2005 7:23:38 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: isthisnickcool

My sister used to work in theater some and has a lot of gay (male) friends. She told me that from what they told her, they are generally an unhappy lot and would really prefer not to be gay.


27 posted on 10/18/2005 7:24:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: moog

Thanks. What's that saying? The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.


28 posted on 10/18/2005 7:26:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: isthisnickcool
Sorry. I had a good friend in high school who's father was "confused" let's say. Because of this I met a large number of queer men. They were a sad and self-loathing lot. Oh they put on a good show. But I got to know some of them and they were just messed up in the head. They acted happy. But once you peeled back their exterior a bit you usually found self-destructive types. It's like abortion. The discussion is "right to choose" or "pro-choice" or "it's the womans body". Or, my "favorite", it's a "privacy" issue. MY GOSH! YOU ARE KILLING A BABY! A HUMAN BEING! AND IT HAS RIGHTS TOO! But no, people have been trained to focus on certain "words" and away from the physical reality of things. The same applies to queers, with the help of the media people have gotten used to focusing on "love" and "relationships" and "partners". Pablem! It's WHAT they do that's the issue. GROSS ME OUT! Oh, and by the way, they account for maybe 3% of the population. So could they just shut up? Queers are like Chihuahuas, they just make a lot of noise but when you get right down to it they are really too small to do anything...

I can't say I disagree with you. Interesting comments. Dead on about the abortion issue. I have an added beef with them because I would just love the "choice" to have a child and they're treating it like a piece of garbage.

I went to a party for my wife's work. One of the people she worked with was gay. I was just about ready to talk to a couple of guys when I noticed they were a little too "friendly" for my tastes. Egads! I got out of there quick and spent the rest of the time around the "normal" ones. That gay guy layed off a bunch of people, including my wife. She goes nuts when she hears the g word now. But justice prevails. He got laid off himself a few months later when the big boss was wondering why no one wanted to communicate with anyone.

The chiuahuah analogy is a unique one:).

30 posted on 10/18/2005 7:29:07 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog

Of all the jobs I've had to do as a mother, that is the one that grossed me out the most. Some #%@#% would let their dog roam and use our lawn to do its duty and one of us would invariably step in it. And we don't even own a dog. It would always happen to a pair of sneakers that we couldn't afford to just throw out; like new ones with LOTS of tread. ARGH!


31 posted on 10/18/2005 7:29:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Thanks. What's that saying? The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

Definitely!!!!!! One good thing about my dad--he never let us kids disrespect my mom. I had many a sore backside before I finally learned my lesson.


32 posted on 10/18/2005 7:30:52 PM PDT by moog
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To: Baynative

I'll stay at home...

HEHE:)


33 posted on 10/18/2005 7:31:37 PM PDT by moog
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To: ConservativeGreek

Accurate stuff.


34 posted on 10/18/2005 7:32:50 PM PDT by moog
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To: metmom
Of all the jobs I've had to do as a mother, that is the one that grossed me out the most. Some #%@#% would let their dog roam and use our lawn to do its duty and one of us would invariably step in it. And we don't even own a dog. It would always happen to a pair of sneakers that we couldn't afford to just throw out; like new ones with LOTS of tread. ARGH!

We're dealing with the neighbor's dog too. She thinks our lawn is her territory and even barks at us once in a while when we're on it. :). I used to have to clean out our rabbit pens. Those rabbits must have had chronic diarrhea or have had pooping genes because they could fill up a cage faster than anything. I absolutely hated that job and can hardly stand to be around animal doo-doo any more. My wife usually cleans the litterbox since I can't stand it (she got the cats anyways:0).

35 posted on 10/18/2005 7:36:38 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog
I just can't believe how I hear kids talk to their parents these days. I was shopping the other day and some 2 or 3 year old was pitching a fit and then I heard him yell, "BAD MOMMY!" twice. There didn't seem to be any reaction on her part although I saw the father gently talking with the son. But kids that do this in public aren't usually doing it for the first time. You just can't reason good behavior into a toddler. They perceive this "gentle", controlled response as weakness.
36 posted on 10/18/2005 7:36:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: moog

Accurate stuff.

Thanks....was a School Board Chair for a few years.
Also remember many of the Columbine students that were killed were at their morning pray. Did some research about the how and why this was permitted "in School"!


37 posted on 10/18/2005 7:38:48 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: metmom
I just can't believe how I hear kids talk to their parents these days. I was shopping the other day and some 2 or 3 year old was pitching a fit and then I heard him yell, "BAD MOMMY!" twice. There didn't seem to be any reaction on her part although I saw the father gently talking with the son. But kids that do this in public aren't usually doing it for the first time. You just can't reason good behavior into a toddler. They perceive this "gentle", controlled response as weakness.

You hit that nail on the head. One of my students' moms said to me, "She acts that way because she knows she can manipulate me." There was no manipulating my dad at all (unless I washed the car first and promised to get gas). My mom was a little more lenient, but not much. If we got in trouble with her, it was "oh cr--, now I'm in double trouble."

38 posted on 10/18/2005 7:39:44 PM PDT by moog
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To: ConservativeGreek

Did some research about the how and why this was permitted "in School"!

The DOE puts out a pamphlet that outlines that and you are correct. Interesting research.


39 posted on 10/18/2005 7:40:43 PM PDT by moog
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To: EagleUSA

I want to "celebrate straight white male" day...

I have three sons


40 posted on 10/18/2005 7:41:18 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: moog

The chiuahuah analorgy is a unique one.


41 posted on 10/18/2005 7:41:53 PM PDT by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1700 replies and not a single post!)
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To: Kimmers

I want to "celebrate straight white male" day...

I need a holiday too. "Short, light, and ugly day" (opposite of tall, dark, and handsome).


42 posted on 10/18/2005 7:43:23 PM PDT by moog
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To: randog
I will tolerate homosexuality, but I will not accept it.

This is way beyond tolerance and acceptance. A school that flies the rainbow flag is promoting homosexuality.

43 posted on 10/18/2005 7:44:14 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: pipecorp

The chiuahuah analorgy is a unique one.

You beat me to that pun. I usually keep mine PG though:).


44 posted on 10/18/2005 7:44:43 PM PDT by moog
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

A school that flies the rainbow flag

I thought those were leftover Jesse Jackson campaign signs.


45 posted on 10/18/2005 7:46:09 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog
Diversity seems to have become synonymous with gayness with a lot of people. I just don't see it as that. To me, it means respecting others' differences (yet striving for common purposes), but not promoting anything to do with sexual overtones (which does not belong in a grade school classroom).

Diversity is another word the left has redefined. Once upon a time, it meant variety. Now it only encompasses one variety - the militant and offensively weird.

The desireable kind of diversity isn't perverts who happen to be gay parading around in freakish costumes groping each other, La Raza demanding the return of the Southwest to Mexico, or inner city drug dealers singing about carjacking and killing police. It's people of all backgrounds, physical abilities, and stations in life with a thousand different perspectives on the small stuff but who stand with each other sight unseen when a real trial comes along to any of them.

That doesn't need to be propagandized onto school kids to get any support, because noone disagrees with it in the first place. It doesn't even need to be called diversity, because a better word for it is America.

46 posted on 10/18/2005 7:57:55 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: CGTRWK
Diversity is another word the left has redefined. Once upon a time, it meant variety. Now it only encompasses one variety - the militant and offensively weird. The desireable kind of diversity isn't perverts who happen to be gay parading around in freakish costumes groping each other, La Raza demanding the return of the Southwest to Mexico, or inner city drug dealers singing about carjacking and killing police. It's people of all backgrounds, physical abilities, and stations in life with a thousand different perspectives on the small stuff but who stand with each other sight unseen when a real trial comes along to any of them. That doesn't need to be propagandized onto school kids to get any support, because noone disagrees with it in the first place. It doesn't even need to be called diversity, because a better word for it is America.

Much better put than I could ever hope to do:). Thanks.

47 posted on 10/18/2005 7:59:37 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog
I noticed they were a little too "friendly" for my tastes

When my friends dad got "confused" I was 16 at the time. Almost all the queers hit on me at the parties my friends dad would have. I just laughed at them but one time picked one of them up and threw him in the pool. But I would not have tried that with the "leather" types. Some of those guys were tough. A couple looked like "Mr. Slave" on South Park. LOL! They were really really strange. And did some really gross stuff to each other. Using their fists. They would talk about it. YUK!

I've found over the years that I had a unique experience in getting to know some of these folks. Since there really are so few queers most people get their impressions of them from TV. My experience was that they are very sad humans. Many want to be normal by forcing us to see them as normal. For the last 30+ years they have worked very hard to get the american public to see them that way. And, overall, it's worked.

48 posted on 10/18/2005 8:06:02 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: isthisnickcool
So could they just shut up?

What used to be called "the love that dares not say its name" now can't shut the heck up. If it was just a case of adults with a weird fetish doing sick things to each other, that would be bad enough. It is intolerable that it is official school policy to let the homos indoctrinate all children (I call this mind rape) and recruit as many children as possible (physical rape). I am more and more afraid that Western civilization has lost the will and the capacity to survive.

49 posted on 10/18/2005 8:49:04 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Well, I'm happy to say that there's one family here that it didn't work with.


50 posted on 10/18/2005 8:50:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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