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The doomsday provision
Townhall.com ^ | Oct 19, 2005 | John Stossel

Posted on 10/19/2005 11:29:46 AM PDT by neverdem

Guns are dangerous. But myths are dangerous, too. Myths about guns are very dangerous, because they lead to bad laws. And bad laws kill people.

"Don't tell me this bill will not make a difference," said President Clinton, who signed the Brady Bill into law.

Sorry. Even the federal government can't say it has made a difference. The Centers for Disease Control did an extensive review of various types of gun control: waiting periods, registration and licensing, and bans on certain firearms. It found that the idea that gun control laws have reduced violent crime is simply a myth.

I wanted to know why the laws weren't working, so I asked the experts. "I'm not going in the store to buy no gun," said one maximum-security inmate in New Jersey. "So, I could care less if they had a background check or not."

"There's guns everywhere," said another inmate. "If you got money, you can get a gun."

Talking to prisoners about guns emphasizes a few key lessons. First, criminals don't obey the law. (That's why we call them "criminals.") Second, no law can repeal the law of supply and demand. If there's money to be made selling something, someone will sell it.

A study funded by the Department of Justice confirmed what the prisoners said. Criminals buy their guns illegally and easily. The study found that what felons fear most is not the police or the prison system, but their fellow citizens, who might be armed. One inmate told me, "When you gonna rob somebody you don't know, it makes it harder because you don't know what to expect out of them."

What if it were legal in America for adults to carry concealed weapons? I put that question to gun-control advocate Rev. Al Sharpton. His eyes opened wide, and he said, "We'd be living in a state of terror!"

In fact, it was a trick question. Most states now have "right to carry" laws. And their people are not living in a state of terror. Not one of those states reported an upsurge in crime.

Why? Because guns are used more than twice as often defensively as criminally. When armed men broke into Susan Gonzalez' house and shot her, she grabbed her husband's gun and started firing. "I figured if I could shoot one of them, even if we both died, someone would know who had been in my home." She killed one of the intruders. She lived. Studies on defensive use of guns find this kind of thing happens at least 700,000 times a year.

And there's another myth, with a special risk of its own. The myth has it that the Supreme Court, in a case called United States v. Miller, interpreted the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" -- as conferring a special privilege on the National Guard, and not as affirming an individual right. In fact, what the court held is only that the right to bear arms doesn't mean Congress can't prohibit certain kinds of guns that aren't necessary for the common defense. Interestingly, federal law still says every able-bodied American man from 17 to 44 is a member of the United States militia.

What's the special risk? As Alex Kozinski, a federal appeals judge and an immigrant from Eastern Europe, warned in 2003, "the simple truth -- born of experience -- is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people."

"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do," Judge Kozinski noted. "But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns
John Stossel is the co-anchor of the show 20/20 on ABC-TV.
1 posted on 10/19/2005 11:29:58 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"As Alex Kozinski, a federal appeals judge and an immigrant from Eastern Europe, warned in 2003, "the simple truth -- born of experience -- is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people.""

Too bad Judge Kozinski has a penis, or President Bush might have appointed him (her) to the Supreme Court instead of Harriet Miers.
2 posted on 10/19/2005 11:36:58 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: neverdem

Excellent article. John Stossel is a fine columnist.


3 posted on 10/19/2005 11:38:18 AM PDT by American Quilter
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To: neverdem
"Guns are dangerous".

Sorry, John, but a gun is no more inherently "dangerous" than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock.

The danger lies in the intention of the user of the tool.
4 posted on 10/19/2005 11:44:26 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!!!)
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To: Moral Hazard
Too bad Judge Kozinski has a LOL!
5 posted on 10/19/2005 11:44:36 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

In the Cayman Islands where gun control is strict, disarmed people found themselves at the mercy of machete weilding thugs after Hurrican Ivan. Presumable if machete's where not available, the thugs would have resorted to clubs.

I will repeat this story on every gun control thread. It's a story for our times.


6 posted on 10/19/2005 11:48:35 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Sorry, John, but a gun is no more inherently "dangerous" than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock.

The danger lies in the intention of the user of the tool.

Not quite, as unloaded firearms routinely get more respect than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock. They should be assumed to be loaded unless inspection proves otherwise.

7 posted on 10/19/2005 11:53:25 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Not quite, as unloaded firearms routinely get more respect than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock.

There's no such thing as an "unloaded firearm". Anybody who knows anything about firearm safety will attest to that.

8 posted on 10/19/2005 12:13:23 PM PDT by scooter2
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To: neverdem; conservativeharleyguy
conservativeharleyguy: Sorry, John, but a gun is no more inherently "dangerous" than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock.

The danger lies in the intention of the user of the tool.

neverdem: Not quite, as unloaded firearms routinely get more respect than a hammer, a screwdriver, or a rock. They should be assumed to be loaded unless inspection proves otherwise.

After the knockdown, the first round goes to neverdem 10-8.

9 posted on 10/19/2005 12:18:09 PM PDT by tx_eggman (If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs ... if we had some eggs.)
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To: Moral Hazard
Too bad Judge Kozinski has a penis, or President Bush might have appointed him (her) to the Supreme Court

If he cross dressed maybe we could get him considered.

10 posted on 10/19/2005 12:19:21 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: scooter2
There's no such thing as an "unloaded firearm".

Really? When do you start to disassemble a weapon?

11 posted on 10/19/2005 12:26:37 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: tx_eggman
Hell, if I'd have known this was a fight, I'd have brought a gun (loaded, of course, otherwise it's just a club).

However, this now seems more like some stupid juvenile "dick-measuring contest" where "neverdem's" intention is only to inform us all how much more he knows about guns (and their proper use) than the rest of us mere fools.

My point stands. A gun is a tool, and is no more inherently dangerous than any other tool. Sure, a SkilSaw will cut your hand off, but only if you are too stupid to operate it correctly, ignore the basic safety requirements of its use, and if it's energized (i.e. "loaded". Otherwise. it too is no more than an inefficient club).

It's not the gun that gets respect. It's the gunner, and anyone who must use a gun to get respect is not worthy of being respected.

For the writer to start the article with the statement "Guns are dangerous" just shows up-front that he really doesn't know much about them, and is therefore like a virgin talking about sex. All he knows is what he has been told by others, and maybe seen on TV or in the movies.

Next time, I guess I'll just be more direct and not write my message in abstract terms. Maybe that way, even the "C" students like "neverdem" can keep up.
12 posted on 10/19/2005 1:10:24 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!!!)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
For the writer to start the article with the statement "Guns are dangerous" just shows up-front that he really doesn't know much about them, and is therefore like a virgin talking about sex. All he knows is what he has been told by others, and maybe seen on TV or in the movies.

Did you read the article? Stossel always does his homework and in this particular article issues an indictment of the anti-gun nut's myths and strawmen, is that a problem?

Here is a collection of his written stuff ... he's about as balanced a TV/print journalist as there is out there. Stossel Archives

13 posted on 10/19/2005 1:25:39 PM PDT by tx_eggman (If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs ... if we had some eggs.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

It is hard to injure somebody accidentally with a rock. A car, say, is another matter.


14 posted on 10/19/2005 4:55:19 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: zip

ping


15 posted on 10/19/2005 5:08:04 PM PDT by BOBWADE ("Nothing in life can be achieved without a little sweat and hard work")
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To: neverdem
Stossel is generally refreshingly honest and willing to look at the facts, despite having worked in a very liberal shop for many years.

We would do well to have a hundred more journalists as interested in the facts of the stories instead of how to parrot their liberal Columbia School of Journalism talking points into every story.

So, great work, John Stossel! I keep thinking what an asset you'd be to Fox News. But your network needs at least one professional journalist on staff. They're lucky to have you. But no matter where you work, we're all lucky to have had you in the press corps over the years.
16 posted on 10/19/2005 8:57:56 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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