Posted on 10/19/2005 4:35:16 PM PDT by joan
Complexity of war crimes case against ex-Yugoslav president convinced Iraqi prosecutors to condense Saddam charges
THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Three years and eight months into the war crimes trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, the courtroom still crackles with explosive outbursts.
...The prosecution of Mr. Milosevic and 125 other people by the 12-year-old tribunal is creating a body of law that many legal experts say will serve as a guide for future war crimes tribunals worldwide. Iraqi judges and officials from war crimes tribunals newly established in Africa and the Balkans have consulted court officials recently.
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This was written by someone from the Washington Post, so I only took a few excerpts.
To know what NOT to do, no doubt. The Hague is a joke.
Well, learning is an ongoing process. Later the experience might flow in the other direction, from Baghdad to the Hague.
Hussein is trying out Slobo's tactic of defiance in the court and not recognizing it as legitimate.
Slobo learned the trick of putting lawnmower engines under balsawood "tanks" to attract US air to ground missiles from Saddam.
No fan of unrepentant Commies but I think Slobo's stance in more legit in the Hague. Saddam at least is being tried by his own countrymen.
We should have just let Yugoslavia try the s.o.b. Then there probably wouldn't be this damn circus. This is fracking looney-tunes. It just shows that globalization sucks.
Is the US paying for this epic?
Yes, and there are others here who know the monetary statistics - it's in the millions most likely.
Then you'd need to have Yugoslavia under occupation first. It is not that easy to try virulent nationalists in virulently nationalistic places.
As historic as infamous Moscow show trials of 1930s. But not less odious.
Judge Meron, who was born in Poland, spent four years in a Nazi prison camp as a youth.
This in the moronic minds of Kangaroo Tribunal supporters makes Milosevic a Nazi.
Ship of Fools:
If he were tried in Serbia, he would have been dead, dead and more dead 3 years, 3 months and 30 days ago.
Yeah, but Milosevic wasn't a nationalist. He was basically just a opportunist who wanted to hold onto power first and foremost. In fact, he used the REAL 'virulent nationalists' such as Arkan and Seselij as boogeymen. He basically said to the West. 'Look, who would you prefer to deal with...me or them?' In fact, Milosevic was probably more of a communist than a nationalist.
That would have been great.
Wow, you've got to hand it to them, they're making an entire career out of this one case.....they'll all be ready to retire by the time this "speedy" and "fair" trial is over.
IMHO, leaders should be allowed to go into exile but denied any particular protection. From what I can tell, leaders generally become exponentially more cruel and despotic as their world collapses around them; rather than punishing them, it would seem better to encourage them to get out while they still have a few friends left.
Why the hell they are wasting so much cash ? This trash should be just killed.
What trash?
Pox on all of them.
The reason why this tribubal has problems with convicting him (it has no capacity for honest judging him) is that collective hypnosis is hard to blend with the formal judicial process (even if is manipulted by the powers in control). Nazis learned that at their dismay at the infamous Reichstag Fire show trial.
Amen to that brother.
LOL!!!!
As stated before, the Serbs would have done this a long time ago. Tudjman and Izetbegovic are the trash that got off easy.
Oh well, Kosovo is getting worse everyday and he doesn't even admit that the KLA mafia are the true controllers of the UNMIK office.
That admission would put a chink in his rusted armor because Hoplite's bloated ego prevents him from being rational as well as truthful.
even i will admit when i am wrong or not completely correct with my information. Popeyes Chicken grease must have spilled onto his keyboards and fried it... no pun intended (as to reasons for his nonreply, to date)
Somebody who is somewhat more of an authority on the subject than you disagrees:
"Patriarch Pavle, Head of Serbian Orthodox Church, said to Bosnian weekly “Slobodna Bosna” (Free Bosnia) that Milosevic is no Christian "
Also of note, before you further denigrate Christianity by associating it with Milosevic, Slobo is charged with more counts of war crimes against the Christian Croats than he is against any other group or nationality in the Balkans.
he was not a supporter of the Serbian Church, never!
mark, FRY had no designs to ever "fight" Macedonia, that was a propoganda ploy by outside forces.
Most people begin to pray to God only when they're in a pickle.
This is pure bullshit.
YOU: This is pure bullshit.
Read this:
Task Force Sabre, originally known as Task Force Able Sentry (TFAS), consisted of approximately 620 soldiers and a US helicopter detachment located at Camp Able Sentry. TFAS was the US Army's task force attached to the United Nations Preventive Deployment Force (UNPREDEP) in the Former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). UNPREDEP was originally established in July 1993, to monitor and report activity along the FYROM-Serbia border area that could undermine confidence and stability in the region or threaten the territory of FYROM.
OK, let's recap. U.S. Troops sent to Macedonia to patrol the "FYROM-Serbia border area" to deter Serbia from "threaten[ing] the territory of FYROM".
You're wrong, monty, but granted this was a pretty obscure deployment. About the only thing remembered nowadays about this first deployment of the U.S. Army into the Balkans was how one of the soldiers refused to wear the UN blue beret and was court-martialed.
I think you mean Serbia and, well, South Serbia. :-)
Anyways, the President of Macedonia certainly thought he had a problem with Serbia as he is the one who requested the deployment. Further, the United Nations Preventive Deployment Force (UNPREDEP) was approved by the UNSC to include the problematical Chinese and Slavic big brother Russia. ("Preventive Deployment", get it?)
So in spite of your protestations of Serb innocence, all sorts of people from all sorts of countries thought differently. Do you think maybe the ongoing Serb attacks and ethnic cleansing of their Croat and Bosnian neighbors to the north had something to do with it?
Gligorov felt threatened by some Serb ultranationalist's statements, not Milosevic as he was/is no nationalist (let alone ultranationalist). I'll give you an example:In the late 90's, the EU offered 5.5 bln $ and special staus in the EU if the leaders of YU Republics agreed to preserve Yugoslavia in any form. Tudjman's response was that he couldn't abandon -- not even for billions and billions of dollars-- the "thousand year's long dream" of the renewal of Croatian State that "now keeps feeding the entire Croatian people". Milosevic's response was : "as I repeatedly stated in the past, I support the idea of strong federation or modern federation -- or nothing".
The leader of the Serb Radical Party, Vojislav Seselj, said in 1991, "Three states will come out of Yugoslavia, -- -Greater Serbia, Small Croatia, and even smaller Slovenia...And Macedonia has always been the Serb territory..Macedonians, Moslems, and Montenegrins are fictitious nations." Many Serbians referred to Macedonia by its interwar name, South Serbia, and still viewed Macedonians as having no distinct identity and their language as Bulgarian.
It appears to have embedded a bin Laden sympathizer into our military though.
that is complete utter BS! I never heard any Serb while I was inside the Balkans say it by that name. They always called it Makodonija/Makeodonska.
They referred to Uzice and N.Pazar as Southern Serbia.
Now for that, I have to call you as being wrong, wrong and all wrong, mark. Obviously, you weren't part of the 1st of the 502d, Mark upon further review.
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