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The Protection Of Lawful Commerce In Arms Act, H.R. 800, VOTE TODAY!
10/20/05 | Richard/SIA

Posted on 10/20/2005 1:14:04 AM PDT by Richard-SIA

H.R. 800/S. 397 to be voted on today! Call congress ASAP!

It is time to pass the Lawful Commerce In Firearms Protection Act, no more delays, let's get it done TODAY!

The House is scheduled to bring up H.R. 800/S. 397 for a vote today. (Thursday).

We need to continue fighting for the CLEAN version of the bill to protect gun makers from HCI's predatory lawsuits, H.R. 800).

It is imperative that you make your last-minute calls to the Hill in support of H.R. 800, especially if you have not done so already.

Please ask your Representative to oppose S. 397, the amended senate version, and to insist upon H.R. 800, which contains no gun control or "studies" at all.


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There are several more excellent pro-RKBA bills languishing in committee's, but none of them will ever see the light of day unless THIS bill is passed first.

So let's get this one passed today, then demand passage of H.R. 2088, H.R. 1603, and H.R. 1703.

Passing ANY of these bills would set the anti's back several years, passing them all would set the anti's back about about forty years!

I am tired of fighting from defense, let's get serious and put the anti's on the defensive for a change.

1 posted on 10/20/2005 1:14:21 AM PDT by Richard-SIA
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To: Joe Brower; Eaker; TexasCowboy; RKBA Democrat; Travis McGee; archy; Darksheare; Dead Corpse; ...

ping


2 posted on 10/20/2005 6:05:13 AM PDT by King Prout (like flies to wanton boys are trolls to the Mods - they ZOT 'em for their sport.)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
OK, shooters, please take a minnit and call up your respective congresscritters about supporting both H.R. 800 & S. 397. Even if you know they're 100% dyed in the wool antis, you can still give them an earful just for fun. $:-)

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

3 posted on 10/20/2005 7:37:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Richard-SIA
This will separate the RINO's from the conservatives. If anything could give us a good template for voting in 2006 this is it.
4 posted on 10/20/2005 7:52:55 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Joe Brower

My congresscritter has been notified ~ Bump!


5 posted on 10/20/2005 8:07:02 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Joe Brower

Done


6 posted on 10/20/2005 8:16:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Richard-SIA

On CSPAN now!


7 posted on 10/20/2005 8:19:29 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot

Passed 283 to 144


8 posted on 10/20/2005 8:54:15 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: Richard-SIA

I called, done.


9 posted on 10/20/2005 9:27:05 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Conceal Carry)
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To: Joe Brower

Can we get a vote count after the vote is taken? I already know how one of my senators, if not both, will vote.


10 posted on 10/20/2005 10:00:20 AM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: P8riot

Which bill passed?


11 posted on 10/20/2005 10:33:14 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: P8riot; Joe Brower; All
Passed 283 to 144

H.R. 800 or S. 397? That's the question.

12 posted on 10/20/2005 10:58:44 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
H.R. 800 or S. 397? That's the question.

It was S. 397 complete with the asinine Gun Lock provision.

13 posted on 10/20/2005 11:39:31 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: Andonius_99
Here's a link to the Roll Call for S. 397
14 posted on 10/20/2005 12:05:31 PM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos; El Gato; DMZFrank; Mulder; Billthedrill; ...
It was S. 397 complete with the asinine Gun Lock provision.

Indeed, I just got it from the horse's mouth. "Commenting on the passage of this landmark legislation, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said, 'This is an historic victory for the NRA. Freedom, truth and justice prevailed, and today S. 397 is one step closer to becoming the law of the land.'"

We'll have to take some solace in the fact that the NRA is still pushing for shall issue, concealed carry privileges, including Alaska's new concealed carry right, in all states, and uniform state law pre-emption over local gun control laws. Here are references about body armor standards which pertains to the other amendment in S. 397 to study ammo and LEO body armor.

Body Armor Standards and Testing

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bvpbasi/docs/SupplementII_08_12_05.pdf

A half step forward, politics prevailed.

15 posted on 10/20/2005 12:15:12 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Richard-SIA

It's high time for this law, to stop the back door approach the left is using to deny us Constitutional rights.

Give them the chance and they will start sueing Car Manufacturers over drunk drivers.


16 posted on 10/20/2005 12:18:52 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping! Good news!


17 posted on 10/20/2005 12:20:22 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: P8riot; ALOHA RONNIE; Dan from Michigan; jdege; blackie; BenLurkin; William Tell; goldstategop; ...

Check the roll call. Socialist Bernie Sanders running for the Senate, Jim Jefford's open seat in Vermont, voted for S. 397.


18 posted on 10/20/2005 12:33:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
neverdem said: "A half step forward, politics prevailed."

On the bright side, perhaps someday the Supreme Court will find itself ruling that the trigger-lock provision is an infringement of the Second Amendment. One can hope.

19 posted on 10/20/2005 12:36:21 PM PDT by William Tell (Put the RKBA on the California Constitution - Volunteer through rkba.members.sonic.net)
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To: neverdem
Re: The left's efforts to attach the "Armor Piercing Ammo Ban" to this legislation.

During the voting they took a call from a woman in Houston (I believe), that set the record straight concerning "Armor Piercing" ammunition. She stated correctly that if the amendment passed it would've outlawed every "Hi-Powered" hunting rifle round currently in existence in this country.

20 posted on 10/20/2005 12:45:15 PM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: Richard-SIA
Passing ANY of these bills would set the anti's back several years, passing them all would set the anti's back about about forty years!

To pre Gun Control Act? Would that mean I could buy surplus weapons over the internet and have them shipped direct to my house? Cool. I want a 20 mm Solothurn or Lahti, they both fire the same 20x138B shell, just a little medium loading :)


21 posted on 10/20/2005 4:50:40 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: neverdem
A half step forward, politics prevailed.

Actually a half step forward for the industry, but a step onto the slippery slope towards mandatory trigger lock usage for us.

However there is a little bit more good news. From S 397 as passed.

(a) Findings- Congress finds the following:

(1) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

(2) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the rights of individuals, including those who are not members of a militia or engaged in military service or training, to keep and bear arms.

Now that doesn't carry any force of law, it's in the findings, not the parts that will make it into the US Code. However it is something to be cited the next time a law which violates the second amendment is challenged in court.

The down side is that darn trigger lock business, although since in this bill it's not mandatory to actually use them, I guess it doesn't infringe on the right to either keep or bear arms.

22 posted on 10/20/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: neverdem

"H.R. 800 or S. 397? That's the question."

It has to be HR-800 if the vote was 283-144. The senate only has 100 people.


23 posted on 10/20/2005 6:55:25 PM PDT by NapkinUser ("It is a damn poor mind indeed which can think of only one way to spell a word." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: NapkinUser

The House voted for S. 397 as is. Check comments# 14 & 15. They didn't want to risk going to a conference committee.


24 posted on 10/20/2005 7:06:05 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: NapkinUser

It has to be HR-800 if the vote was 283-144. The senate only has 100 people.

That seems logical but with Democrat voters..sometimes the votes can be bigger than the whole eloctorate !


25 posted on 10/26/2005 8:50:11 PM PDT by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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