Posted on 10/20/2005 6:18:16 AM PDT by Pokey78
10 million? I wish, closer to 20 million and at the low low price tag of $49 BILLION in public sector costs.
vox_PL has a very selective and chauvinistic view of history. When Poland attacked its neighbors, well it was manifest destiny and good...when those neighbors returned fire it was because they are uncivilized savages (except the Germans for whom he will say not a single bad word, regardless they actually tried to exterminate the Poles....must be because the Germans are paying for the Polish welfare state of 19% unemployment).==
You got it precisely:). Cheers!
Vox_PL remembers only wrongs done to Poland. The polish wrong-doings he excuses at blink.
He forgets that Poland always started hostilities.
In 17 century it was Poland who FIRST came to Moscow and occupied it. Then Russia returned this visit in 18-19 centuries and cameto Warsaw and destroyed Poland.
In 1920th it was new founded Poland started with killings of soviet POWS by hunger, deceases and beatings in polish concentration camps.
Later Soviet Union retaliated in 1940 and executed polish officers in Katyn. Regretable thing but let us remember who started killings of POWS.
In 1938 it was Poland who participated in splitting of Checkoslovakia with Hitler' Germany. In next year Poland was splitted herself by same Hitler' Germany and USSR. But how its hypocritical for poles to complain if just one year before Poland herself did same thing.
He will counter by saying they were only regaining Polish populated lands in Czech, of course the fact that the Soviets only took Ukrainian and Belaruss occupied lands from Poland, he'll forget. Welcome to the wide wide world of hypocracy.
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I see we should build a high wall on our borders with Russia. ==
Go ahead:).
Your vision of world is trully one-sided. You remember wrong done to Poland but you forget that poluish wrongdoings.
Any unbiased man may check date of polish invasion to Moscow then check date of first russian invasion to Warsaw. And he will find that poles did it FIRST.
Disprove it if you can:).
=I see we should build a high wall on our borders with Russia. ==
That's a metaphor, A METAPHORE!!!!!
But this is too difficult to understand for a small Russian brain.===
No:)) I really and honestly thought you will carry the trains of bricks or concrete slabs on your border and began to mason your dear wall alike as Berlin wall:))))))))
Are you really that stupid and just pretend to be?:))
I will tell you one anectdote which may illustrate above question. I was told once in pub when was living in America.
Two poles meet. One say to another: "You know Marek our mutual friend John has two assholes."
Marek answer: "How so Zbishek?".
"Remember yestoday when we walked with him down the street I heard someone said behind our backs. "Here goes John with two assholes."" Bhahahah:))
My maternal grandfather was pure German. He went to the Theological institute in Belgrade after converting to Orthodoxy from Lutheranism. It was there he met my grandmother, who was also a student there (the first woman to graduate, in fact).
They married and returned to Germany. They lived in Berlin and then Potsdam, where he had his parish church (in the "Russian Village" in Potsdam). Near the end of WWII he was taken away by the Soviets and put into a concentration camp and eventually murdered - because he was a Russian Orthodox priest who was kind and good to everyone. He spoke out against the Nazi's AND the Communists. He was not murdered by Russians, but Soviets. As I said before and will keep on saying, there is a HUGE difference between the two. I don't thnk that our friend undertands this. A lot of people don't and they're wrong.
"But this is too difficult to understand for a small Russian brain."
Once in a while folks, will you knock off your stupid ethnic/national slurs or jokes, and try to see individuals behind nationalities or ethnicities ?
Yes it's sad that Russia is still didn't transform itself into a genuienly law abiding country respecting its neighbors, and many E. Europeans fear the Russia precisely because of that. But hatred of all people because of their ethnicity or nationality is amoral--nobody chooses his/her place of birth, ethnicity, national origin, race, etc.
I reject ideology of Russian imperialism--Russia as a state must respect its neighbors independence and territorial integrity and not to whitewash the crimes committed by USSR or Russian Empire. However, I also without hesitation reject when somebody is attacked simply for being Russian. It's amoral to disrespect people because of their ethnicity or national origin.
Man, you are getting a bit hysterical.
Don't wanna disturb you but UKRAINE. Yes. Ask any citizen (exception with Lvov or Ivano - Frankovsk districts)which country they sympathize with, there is no doubt the answer will be - Russia. With most neighbouring country RF has a good relations i will not enumerate them cause it was already done. About Finland. Russians like Finns as they still like Poles, but with Finns its reciprocally.
By his logic, Lithuanians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Belaruss and Germans should all hate Poland.
Two evils make a good, eh? Excellent logic pal!
But what does it change in the baseness of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
Vanjusha, cut the crap, will you? One of your buddies here answers the question about Vladimir-Suzdal as follows:
Vladimir-Suzdal Great Principality is a successor of Kiev Great Principality and a predecessor of Moscow Great Principality. Moscow Principality gathered all Russian Principalities and became the whole Russia. Ivan IV the Terrible was the last Great Prince of Moscow Principality and the first Russian Tsar.
So if you acknowledge this political inheritance, you can't throw away the rest of it... Ivan the Terrible, Koba the Terrible, his servant Molotov, and Vlad the KGB-man are all equally Russian, their ethnicity and party allegiance notwithstanding.
Once again, your propaganda is too primitive. Save it for retarded young neo-Nazis of Stalingrad...
Nice try, but there is no such beast as Polish-Ukrainian War... You better not begin about the Ukrainian Marshal Tukhachevski... or Marshal Rokossovski of the WW2.
All your efforts to rewrite history in apologetic for the bandit entity of the Soviet Union way are doomed.
Of course he was... and jb6, RussIvan and the rest of the Soviet Agitprop brigade here do know that. But they'll try to acknowledge those parts of their own political history that suit them, and somehow to deny those that don't.
That is why they claim Vladimir-Suzdal and other principalities to be predecessors of the contemporary Mother Russia, but (in accordance with RusIvan) Molotov wasn't Russian, and now Felix Dzerzhinski wasn't too (in accordance with jb6).
It's not hypocrisy. No. It's training they receive in their party or state security schools: to repeat a lie again and again in hope that after a while it will sound like truth. At least to some.
And these people know no shame. Caught red-handed, they'll continue to mumble the same tired lies, driving you crazy... this is their ultimate aim. In anger you'd just quit any contacts with them, and, left alone, they'll claim intellectual victory. And receive the commendation from the headquarters.
A nation can't recognize only that part of its political history and inheritance which suits it aims or just flatter its self-esteem.
Soviets inherited Russia, Russians inherited Soviets in their entirety. Surely, you like Tolstoy and dislike Iron Felix, but you can't have one and thrust another to someone else. Is it clear?
Your smiley in the end of the phrase is totally inappropriate. Though you used the statement sarcastically, it is exactly true!
There are, of course, the so called "hyphenated" Americans - for instance, Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Polish-Americans and so on - but all of them are first and foremost Americans. The greatness of America clearly shows in this fact. And your failure to understand it clearly shows your true colours of a petty chauvinist...
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