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DRUDGE: NYT FRIDAY: Rove and Libby have been advised that they may be in serious legal jeopardy
Drudge ^ | 10/20/2005 | Drudge

Posted on 10/20/2005 7:18:02 PM PDT by frankjr

NYT FRIDAY: Rove and Libby have been advised that they may be in serious legal jeopardy, but only this week has Fitzgerald begun to narrow the possible charges. The prosecutor has said he will not make up his mind about any charges until next week, government officials say... Developing...


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KEYWORDS: cialeak; drudge; impeachment; joewilson; libby; pardon; pardons; plame; rove; valerieplame
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Bring it on!!!!
1 posted on 10/20/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: frankjr

This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.


2 posted on 10/20/2005 7:19:49 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

Huh?

3 posted on 10/20/2005 7:21:16 PM PDT by ReaganRevolution
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To: quidnunc

"This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush."

And I thought I was paranoid.

/sarcasm


4 posted on 10/20/2005 7:21:22 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: frankjr

damn it drudge, its been developed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1506381/posts


5 posted on 10/20/2005 7:22:16 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: frankjr

Let the NYT play out their little game.

They are as dirty as anyone in this whole affair.

The Old Gray lady is about to go belly up, imo, and good riddance.


6 posted on 10/20/2005 7:22:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: quidnunc
I will wait from confirmation from someone source other the DNC-NYT on this.

Heck I must have missed Monday's 22 indictments, you got your copies?
7 posted on 10/20/2005 7:23:18 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: quidnunc

Dude -- put the everclear down


8 posted on 10/20/2005 7:24:18 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: quidnunc
Oh, please.

Like Dennis Hastert is preparing to schedule hearings with an impeachment committee as we speak?

9 posted on 10/20/2005 7:24:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: frankjr

I thought you were not to discuss an ongoing investigation?


10 posted on 10/20/2005 7:24:54 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( Member of the Water Bucket Brigade - It's all about MOOSEMUSS)
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To: NormsRevenge

Welcome to the Criminalization of Politics 101 .. breathtaking and portends very badly for the future of US.


11 posted on 10/20/2005 7:25:37 PM PDT by STARWISE (Able Danger: DISABLED??)
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To: quidnunc

Get the spoon out of your nose.


12 posted on 10/20/2005 7:25:48 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats = The Excrement of America)
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To: quidnunc
This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

Oh, brother. Let me guess. You hate the Miers nomination, and you're frosted over the immigration issue. That about sum it up?

13 posted on 10/20/2005 7:26:09 PM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: quidnunc

"This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush."


I could be wrong, but even if it happens I think it's more like the Delay situation.


14 posted on 10/20/2005 7:27:01 PM PDT by gondramB (Conservatism is a positive doctrine. Reactionaryism is a negative doctrine.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

LOL!

Ooooooooohhhh, bad memories of the 1980's coming back to life!


15 posted on 10/20/2005 7:27:31 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: quidnunc

This is the 2nd time I've seen you make this idiotic statement.


16 posted on 10/20/2005 7:28:21 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Pikamax

Thanks for the link. I was afraid I would need to stay up all night. Now in regards to that link...

If Fitzgerald is thinking "Among the charges that Mr. Fitzgerald is considering are perjury, obstruction of justice and false statement - " then that is B.S. No underlying crime...but he made some up during the proceedings. Come on Fitz! If those weak charges are made, I hope Bush pardons then promotes any indicted.


17 posted on 10/20/2005 7:29:23 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: Obadiah; quidnunc

Quidnunc is for Miers. He is feelng pretty pessimistic, it would seem. His scenario is not what he wants, but it appears to be what he fears.


18 posted on 10/20/2005 7:29:40 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: quidnunc

>This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

BS


19 posted on 10/20/2005 7:30:41 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: quidnunc
This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

Guess you want it to happen so much you have to post this in multiple threads.

20 posted on 10/20/2005 7:30:44 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: Obadiah

I support Bush and Miers unreservedly.

But, I agree with the other poster. This is real trouble. It shouldn't be. There was no underlying crime and, frankly, if Rove or Libby are charged as the New York Times article describes it would be a reckless and extreme abuse of prosecutorial authority.

But, that being said, the Democrats are clearly going to launch the Mother of all Political Battles over this. If we get Republicans jumping ship, well...

What's needed is a counter-offensive. Bush should pardon both Rove and Libby, if they're charged - along with anyone else charged.


21 posted on 10/20/2005 7:31:51 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: frankjr
Just a question regarding this leak thing. Yesterday a woman called into the HH show and mentioned that she'd read Judith Miller's book Germs: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War a few years back and seemed to recall that Miller had claimed to extensive research on the topic which, according to the promo material that is easily found on websites the book is sold through includes "hundreds of interviews with scientists and senior officials, including President Clinton"...now is it not correct that this would include the same section of the CIA that Valerie Plame worked for? Is it possible or even likely that Judith Miller became familiar with Valerie Plame sometime between 1997 and 2001 as this book was being researched? If so, how can something be leaked that she already knew? Just tossing out the question.
22 posted on 10/20/2005 7:32:05 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: quidnunc
Defintitly kills President Bush's reelection chances. The left wins, their kung fu is better than ours. Woe is us, the sky is falling, all is lost...blah blah blah etc.
23 posted on 10/20/2005 7:32:10 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: frankjr

"No underlying crime...but he made some up during the proceedings."

EXACTLY. how absurd is it that the crime being investigated is now a done deal - IE it didn't happen. but hey, someone, somewhere, certainly made an inconsistent statement over two years of dullard testimony.


24 posted on 10/20/2005 7:32:43 PM PDT by DMinus
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To: txrangerette

Well good, regarding Miers, as I do think she will be solid. But man, there's seepage of water in the boat and quidnunc is shouting for people to man the life boats.

Get a hold of yourself, man.


25 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:07 PM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: frankjr

Bring it ON ! You betcha!

Anyone with a mind devoid of wing nuts would know that
this alternative version of history spouted by Wilson, Plame and all the Dem running dogs is just smear propaganda. Yousee the dems still believe after 2 elections that Bush somehow stole both elections. He is the first " Illigitimate" US President, and Demagogue democrat prosecutors are sharpening their dullest knives
to take the republican election machine apart.

Of course liberal judges will have their supposed parts to play. The Bush administration is about to declare political war on these reality challeneged Dems. Watch the manure hit the fan over the next several weeks.

No way that any indictment of Rove will make it past a preliminary hearing. ZAP! Plame was not an agent under the law concerned. No Indictment will be issued and if there is one, something stinks in Denmark!


26 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:16 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: frankjr

The coming months will be difficult, but unless there is some powerful evidence that has never yet been hinted at in public I find it difficult to believe there is any guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" for these matters. Certainly it is beyond easy to see "reasonable doubt" about every lying POS reporter of the MSM who might say "I learned X or Y or Z" from Libby or Rove. I don't think a competent defense attorney should have too much trouble winning acquittals on these matters, but I'm no lawyer!! And it is liberal Washington, DC, after all, unless there is some way to win a change of venue to Virginia.

I think the impeachment possibility is still remote, but the 'Rats will base the 2006 Congressional campaigns around using any ridiculous indictments to smear the Bush administration. If there were a majority of Demagogues elected to the House in 2006 then the I-word would be seriously pursued. Doubt they could win in the Senate for conviction, though, unless 2006 proved to be an enormous electoral catastrophe for Republican senatorial candidates, too.

If Fitzgerald really does go for indictments* against Libby and/or Rove then I would think they must push for rapid early trials and aim for vindication before real juries (remember how it's said that a GJ can be much more closely controlled by a prosecutor, and there's no real defense presented to a GJ). I can't believe this nonsense is happening, but there may be emails or statements to the GJ, etc. that have led one or more administration figures into a "perjury trap."


*Which the Grand Jury has to vote for, but I supposed that would be almost a foregone conclusion if a prosecutor recommends indictments of leading Republicans to a GJ in the Demagogic heaven of Washington, DC.


27 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: furquhart
What's needed is a counter-offensive. Bush should pardon both Rove and Libby, if they're charged - along with anyone else charged.

Oh yeah...that will put an end to this political game.

28 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:52 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I really think that we underestimate what might happen at our peril.

We face, as I've said before, a conspiracy between the media, the Democratic Party, and certian elements of the judiciary - all of whom have, for all practical purposes, become enemies of the United States.

We need to recognize the danger. Republicans aren't Democrats - the weak sisters among us will fold under pressure.


29 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:59 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I really think that we underestimate what might happen at our peril.

We face, as I've said before, a conspiracy between the media, the Democratic Party, and certian elements of the judiciary - all of whom have, for all practical purposes, become enemies of the United States.

We need to recognize the danger. Republicans aren't Democrats - the weak sisters among us will fold under pressure.


30 posted on 10/20/2005 7:34:00 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: frankjr

The "pucker factor" is high. The roster of actual indictments will tell the tale, but this is dangerous ground.


31 posted on 10/20/2005 7:34:41 PM PDT by Petronski (The word "cyborg" to me means complete love and incredible fun.)
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To: frankjr

Marvelous. And I already thought Chris Matthews was off his meds... this'll send him over the friggin' edge.


32 posted on 10/20/2005 7:35:06 PM PDT by alancarp (Will hack code for oil)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

It's the feng-shui they've done over at the DNC. All desks and phones are now facing east, for the power surges generated by sun beams and tin foil receptors. We're doomed.


33 posted on 10/20/2005 7:35:12 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Behold the Riderless Pony. Bringing doom and destruction on a smaller scale.)
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To: Obadiah

We don't need lifeboats. We need to man the guns.

No surrender, no retreat. We triumph on this hill, or we die on it.


34 posted on 10/20/2005 7:35:27 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Defintitly kills President Bush's reelection chances.

I'd bet my last dollar on that ... ;-)

35 posted on 10/20/2005 7:35:57 PM PDT by kayak (Have you prayed for your President and our military today?)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

Bring it on NY B***hes


36 posted on 10/20/2005 7:36:08 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody in, it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"= Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: frankjr

Here's an interesting take:

Judith Miller Exonerates Bush Officials

By Cliff Kincaid | October 16, 2005

"The media, of course, are not interested in probing Wilson and Plame, only the Bush administration. The true facts in the CIA-leak case are now becoming astonishingly clear. New York Times reporter Judith Miller's testimony, as she describes it in the Sunday edition of her paper, proves that the wrong people are under investigation. It's not really a story about Bush officials Lewis Libby and Karl Rove and their conversations with the press. Rather, it's a story about a CIA bureaucracy working to undermine the Bush administration through the media and cover up for its own mistakes."


http://www.aim.org/special_report/4096_0_8_0_C


37 posted on 10/20/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: quidnunc
Come on Chill!!!! This coming from a paper whose circulation numbers and profits are dropping faster than GWB's approval rating.

Just cause the slimes wants it to happen doesn't mean it will.

38 posted on 10/20/2005 7:36:35 PM PDT by bubman
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To: frankjr

The average citizen doesn't look beyond the headlines. Pretty soon the MSM will be throwing around the term "administration corruption" based on all of the manufactured or magnified "crimes" supposedly committed by people connected to the administration, or Republicans in Congress. They'll be calling for impeachment, and if that doesn't work, they'll at least succeed in paving the way for a democrat President in '08. It's all mapped out, and it will succeed if the electorate doesn't start looking beyond headlines and sound bites.


39 posted on 10/20/2005 7:37:16 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: Rokurota

We need to man the guns and prepare to fight to the death. To make sure that wavering Republicans are reminded of the consequnces of joining with the forces of treason.

The Democrats have Vietnam and Watergate in their hearts. They want to repeat it. We need to fight to the death against the repeat of either. No surrender, no retreat, no apologies, no concessions.


40 posted on 10/20/2005 7:37:16 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: quidnunc
This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

Nah. Republican Congresses don't impeach Republican Presidents.

41 posted on 10/20/2005 7:37:18 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: quidnunc
Rove and Libby have been advised that they may be in serious legal jeopardy

The RIAA is after them for illegally downloading AC/DC tunes...?

42 posted on 10/20/2005 7:37:50 PM PDT by freebilly (Go USF Baseball!)
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To: DMinus
"No underlying crime...but he made some up during the proceedings."

If the charges are not significantly superior to what Sandy Burger should have been charged with, this prosecutor has much to answer for.
43 posted on 10/20/2005 7:38:19 PM PDT by paguch
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To: furquhart

Also, from the Times article, the line that Rove and Libby's lawyers "declined to comment on their legal status" leads me to think that both have probably received "Target Letters."


44 posted on 10/20/2005 7:38:53 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: furquhart
I support Bush and Miers unreservedly.Wise man

However, you well know the Demonrats do nothing but spew filth in order to slime anyone. It is my hope that Pres Bush takes off the gloves and starts going on the offensive and takes command of the situations. My only complaint of Bush would be that he appears reacting to some things. He ought to take it to the Demonrats. Yet there are a lot of serious things on the plate right now, so I know what he means about many things being background noise.

45 posted on 10/20/2005 7:39:04 PM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: furquhart

Also, from the Times article, the line that Rove and Libby's lawyers "declined to comment on their legal status" leads me to think that both have probably received "Target Letters."


46 posted on 10/20/2005 7:39:07 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: furquhart
The Democrats have Vietnam and Watergate in their hearts. They want to repeat it. We need to fight to the death against the repeat of either. No surrender, no retreat, no apologies, no concessions.

Spoken like a man after my own heart!

47 posted on 10/20/2005 7:40:24 PM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: quidnunc

"This is an unmitigated disaster and could ultimately lead to the impeachment of President Bush."

Dude (or dudette), you may be right, but I still crack up at your posting!!!! I am guessing your nickname isn't 'Mr. Optimistic".


48 posted on 10/20/2005 7:40:34 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: furquhart

Whew...they could have ended up with "Wal-Mart" letters.


50 posted on 10/20/2005 7:41:02 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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