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Double Standard at International Court!

Posted on 10/21/2005 3:50:52 AM PDT by Actuality

Sharon is criticized for SUPPOSEDLY not acting, but Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) is "understood" as a "moderate" in his green-light to terror, or even in his direct responsbility.


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DOUBLE STANDARDS AT INTERNATIONAL COURT!

'Palestinian" Propagandists, claim their "biggest" heavy thing to throw at Sharon the Sabrah Shatilla 2 3 action which was carried out by Arab Lebanese on Arab 'palestinians' after Arab 'Palestinians' massacred in Damour, (Why was Hobeika Assassinated?) action which was carried out by Arab Lebanese on Arab 'Palestinians' after Arab 'Palestinians' massacred in Damour, (Why was Hobeika Assassinated?) but the critics say that Sharon had the power to stop them from entering. While I do not believe that he even knew that they were going to do what they did.

Now take 'Palestinian' leader Mahmoud Abbas' constant excuse why he won't reign in the militant butchers, because he does not want an inner "war", i.e. he is able, but not willing, capable but doesn't want to pay the price...
Now, imagine such an answer by Sharon!

Now let's go even further.
In contrast to the Arab 'Palestinian' propaganda trying to make the impression that Hamas & Islamic Jihad terror groups are one thing & Mahmoud Abbas is another, there for he is definitely not connected to terror.

For the record.
Among the 'Palestinian' Arab butchery terrorists organizations there is that infamous al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- carried out numerous attacks on the unarmed civilians -- are affiliated with Fatah, the main Palestinian movement headed by Mahmoud Abbas.

Here you have a direct connected terror group -- not only a militant group under his green light but 'equipped' -- with PA Official authority, and the general media still does not condemn him at least in the manner as it does so to Sharon.

Further more, Why does it (FATAH) even exist, a terror group that is defined as the "military faction" of his Government?

Here's another sample of others claiming to be connected to him.


Vicious Abductions under his wings!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051019/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
By LARA SUKHTIAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Oct 18, 9:44 PM ET

Palestinian Gunmen [TIED TO 'PALESTINIAN' LEADER: ABU MAZEN!] Abduct 2, Make Threats.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - A shadowy Palestinian militant group on Tuesday said it has abducted two alleged collaborators with Israel and threatened to carry out additional kidnappings.

The announcement by the group calling itself the “Knights of the Storm” was latest sign of chaos and lawlessness in the Gaza Strip following Israel’s withdrawal from the area last month. The group said it abducted the two men in the southern town of Khan Younis on Monday after Palestinian officials refused demands to arrest them.

Several masked militants posed for pictures in front of the men, who were kneeling on the floor of an empty room with their faces against a wall.

The gunmen said they are affiliated with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah faction, which controls the Palestinian Authority.

One of the militants, identifying himself as Abu Anan, said late Tuesday that the group’s interrogation had determined that the two hostages, whom they did not identify, were part of a network of collaborators with Israel.

“We will not make a decision on whether to execute the men until after our interrogation process is complete,” he said in a telephone interview.


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Time to have the same standards of "judgment", and if indeed the honest truth is surfing that it is nothing less than having expected from Sharon more (which I believe to be the case), it should be said so clearly and not being hypocritical and define his then lack of action as a "crime" & even calling him names.


1 posted on 10/21/2005 3:50:56 AM PDT by Actuality
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To: Actuality

The International Criminal Court is not a court at all its a political practical joke . A tool to be used by anti-semites and American hating Europeans. Although the UN has descended into the depths of third world corruption the ICC is corruption from the start.


2 posted on 10/21/2005 3:58:18 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Actuality
Personally I clearly see the need for a international court like the ICC. It's sad that americans are so afraid of it being used as a tool for anti-americanists. We have to remember that although accusations of violations of international law often come from those who hate the US and Israel (arabs/leftist europeans), international law in itself does not have such a bias. And it is the LAW that is used in the court, not politics. If we make this a neutral and effective international prosecution-system then this will make the conditions for the terrorist-supporters much more difficult. I believe the US should consider to support the ICC because it's the best thing we got at the moment. For me it is clear that international regulations is a natural tool against terrorism. As for Sharon; if he has broken the law he should be prosecuted like anyone else that brakes the law.
3 posted on 10/21/2005 4:44:42 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: Kurt_Hectic

And it is the LAW that is used in the court, not politics."

I have a bridge for sale kurt.


4 posted on 10/21/2005 4:52:16 AM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: Kurt_Hectic
international law in itself does not have such a bias

Hmm, exactly what "international law" are you describing?

I believe the US should consider to support the ICC because it's the best thing we got at the moment

That's the most ridiculous statement I've seen in quite some time. Your ignorance knows no bounds.
5 posted on 10/21/2005 5:09:34 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Kurt_Hectic
international law in itself does not have such a bias

Hmm, exactly what "international law" are you describing?

I believe the US should consider to support the ICC because it's the best thing we got at the moment

That's the most ridiculous statement I've seen in quite some time. Your ignorance knows no bounds.
6 posted on 10/21/2005 5:10:44 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Kurt_Hectic
BS!

Just look at the recent example in Spain. Spain is not happy with the outcome of an american investigation into the incident at the Hotel in Bahgdad during the war - so they have issued arrest warrants for the three soldiers involved.

This can, and will happen at the ICC as well.

For me it is clear that international regulations is a natural tool against terrorism

Right. Then please show me the "interanational" definition of terrorism!

The UN in UN-American and it is good that we did not join into the fallacy of the UN's court.

7 posted on 10/21/2005 5:20:25 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Pox

The rule of law is not anti-american! It is a set of rules that are FAIR and americans should not be afraid of it! A war-crime is a war-crime independent of who does it. The benefits of an american support to the ICC will be far larger then the negative consequenses.


8 posted on 10/21/2005 5:43:27 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: Kurt_Hectic
The rule of law is not anti-american!

Our civilization functions under the "rule of law", so your statement is an axiom.

It is a set of rules that are FAIR and Americans should not be afraid of it!

Wrong. The ICC is not covered under our constitution and to defer to it is to toss our sovereignty out the window.

A war-crime is a war-crime independent of who does it.

I choose my own country to determine such a classification any day in eternity versus giving that task to communists/socialists/liberals/progressives/dictators/etc from other countries. We already have a hard enough time functioning with those types in our own country.

The benefits of an american support to the ICC will be far larger then the negative consequences

Wrong. Specify the benefits please. To Subscribe to the ICC's jurisdiction is to relinquish our sovereignty to a foreign body, and that is Unconstitutional, IMO.
9 posted on 10/21/2005 6:04:07 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Yeah, okay.


10 posted on 10/21/2005 6:05:54 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Pox

"a war crime is a war crime..." : The rule of law between nations has been a legal fact since Hugo Grotius wrote his "De Jure Belli ac Pacis" in 1625. It applies for all the countries in the world with no exception. And because it's a body of law it stands above politics. The classification of war-crimes can thus never be handed over to dictators and communists. This is a task for the international jurist-community.

Just because the USA doesn't recognize the ICC doesn't mean your country isn't regulated by the international law. The difference between national and interational law is that international law can't be enforced the same way national law can. But with the ICC we can have such a instrument.

As for the benefits of american support to the ICC: The court could be houndred-fold more effective. Then we could use the court to go after the REAL war-criminals: goverments and organisations who aid and support terrorists in the middle east and asia.


11 posted on 10/21/2005 7:57:44 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: Kurt_Hectic
And it is the LAW that is used in the court, not politics.

If thats true, then I have the Brooklyn Bridge up for sale for 50 cents!

For me it is clear that international regulations is a natural tool against terrorism.

International regulations? Against sand-nazis willing to die to kill us and Israelis. You gotta be f*king kidding me! No terrorists and almost no countries on earth ever follow BS like the Geneva Convention. All it does is tie our hands behind our back.

As for Sharon; if he has broken the law he should be prosecuted like anyone else that brakes the law.

Since when is combating TERRORISTS against the law?

12 posted on 10/21/2005 8:27:25 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Bovine Excrement!

Eurpoean Socialists have made it quite clear that they will "abuse" the ICC for purely political purposes, and there is already a precedent. Ask Belgium.

Our country is NOT "regulated" by "international law" in any way. Our country signs treaties with such understandings with other countries.

No matter how you try to classify that supposed "body of law", it can and WILL be used with politics being the driving force behind it.

No matter how you attempt to justify the ICC, it is and will always be a defunct body that is driven primarily by politics, much the same as the UN.

These lame ideas sound oh-so-good on paper and to "intellectuals", but in practice it always ends up turned against "good" and put to use for "evil".

The best way to "go after" war criminals is simple: Hunt them down and kill them. IMHO


13 posted on 10/21/2005 11:59:54 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Kurt_Hectic
I personally believe that it all depends really on how you interpret the law & I think that US/UK Army can pass it with good lawyers.
But the very damaging effect of 'calling someone to the International court', is already in it self an irreversible damage.

That is my point.
14 posted on 10/21/2005 2:52:45 PM PDT by Actuality
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