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Gun accidentally fires, kills 19-year-old woman (Louisiana)
2theadvocate.com ^ | 10/21/05

Posted on 10/21/2005 5:42:52 AM PDT by Ellesu

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To: NRA1995

Typical for The Advocate.


51 posted on 10/21/2005 7:13:50 AM PDT by Ellesu (www.thedeadpelican.com)
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To: marktwain
"I would wager a significant sum that these women...were carrying the pistols illegally under Louisiana law. "

With regards to weapons/concealed carry, LA considers the vehicle interior essentially an extension of the household. You do not need a concealed carry permit to maintain a loaded weapon in your vehicle.

52 posted on 10/21/2005 7:19:42 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: GingisK

Weapons are useless without a round in the chamber. That is the way to carry 'em if you carry concealed; any other way is nearly useless. Its up to the user to make certain that he does nothin' stupid.

But when you're handin' 'em around to "compare" 'em you need to remove the clip and clear the chamber. The guy who gets the weapon, at minimum, should check the the chamber, just in case you missed somethin'.

'Course I use a revolver, which is a little easier to clear... and harder to reload.


53 posted on 10/21/2005 7:21:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: 308MBR

Huh?


54 posted on 10/21/2005 7:22:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: newzjunkey

That is the way a gun to be used for edefense is supposed to be kept. Otherwise it is an expensive rock.


55 posted on 10/21/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Gun+Moron=Accident.

Same as

Car+Moron=Accidentt


56 posted on 10/21/2005 7:24:07 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Ellesu

What a stupid left-leaning headline. Guns don't accidentally shoot people. The headline should read, "Idiot Accidentally Shoots Woman".


57 posted on 10/21/2005 7:27:12 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: silverleaf

Ah youth. I can remember so many afternoon drives when we cruised around together and compared our guns...

we wait til we get out of the car to do this. then we pass them around and compare them. funny tho, sounds like a tap recital.. "ka-click, ka-click" everybody checking to see that its unloaded before passing it, and checking it as soon as its passed to them. we're always really careful about checking it as soon as we get it, even tho we've seen it checked two or three times already, never know when a bullet will magically apprear in the breech..


58 posted on 10/21/2005 7:29:47 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: highimpact

Yep, those guns are always going off on their own.
Reminds me of the rogue, driverless SUVs that are always running over folks.


59 posted on 10/21/2005 7:33:30 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: Little Ray
Weapons are useless without a round in the chamber...But when you're handin' 'em around to "compare"...

Yep. This is how I actually keep mine. I don't show it to anyone.

60 posted on 10/21/2005 7:42:29 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: newzjunkey
The thing was kept LOADED!

Loaded or not, it had a round chambered! (Assuming it was an automatic. If it was a revolver, they should up the charge to willful murder.)

When I was in the Army, I worked as a Battalion S-2 clerk (Soldier of Paperwork, Elite Combat Typist Section) in a Pershing Missile unit in Germany during the time of the Bader-Meinhoff nonsense. When I reported for work there was a loaded M1911 in desk drawer, which stayed there for my entire tour.

Surprisingly, It never once accidentally went off.

61 posted on 10/21/2005 7:42:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: newzjunkey

Our guns are kept loaded. What good is an unloaded gun?


62 posted on 10/21/2005 7:44:05 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: highimpact

Just hope they don't learn how to unlock the door!


63 posted on 10/21/2005 7:46:04 AM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

wonder how many were blonde?


64 posted on 10/21/2005 7:46:18 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Loaded or not, it had a round chambered!

Huh? What's the difference?

65 posted on 10/21/2005 7:58:38 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot
Loaded or not, it had a round chambered!

Huh? What's the difference?

A gun is considered loaded if there are rounds in the magazine/clip. However, it is not "ready to fire" unless a round is chambered.

66 posted on 10/21/2005 8:13:39 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: camle

I wasn't questioning you, only stating my limited experience. It would seem a little too easy to avoid by simply ducking below the window to attempt an armed robbery that way.


67 posted on 10/21/2005 8:18:46 AM PDT by dmz
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To: highimpact

A handgun is loaded with one round in the chamber.


68 posted on 10/21/2005 8:19:22 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: stylecouncilor

oops ping


69 posted on 10/21/2005 8:23:22 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Ellesu
and as she was looking at both of them, one accidentally discharged.

***************

Classic defence: "I was holding the gun and it just went off and killed my husband".

How do reporters and lawyers get away with this?

70 posted on 10/21/2005 8:27:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ellesu

Ten bucks says they finally got around to comparing the Glock.


71 posted on 10/21/2005 8:28:24 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: OKSooner

A girl is still dead. My bright, beautiful cousin was killed by a gun that accidentally went off. Who cares whose to blame...she's still dead.


72 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:02 AM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: OKSooner

A girl is still dead. My bright, beautiful cousin was killed by a gun that accidentally went off. Who cares whose to blame...she's still dead.


73 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:03 AM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: P8riot
A handgun is loaded with one round in the chamber.

Yes, you're right. It's also "loaded" if there are no rounds in the chamber but rounds in the clip or magazine. The laws are pretty clear on that in all 50 states. Here is a snippet of the NY State law as an example:

A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. ("Loaded" means loaded in magazine or chamber. A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition.)

source: http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm

74 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:23 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: highimpact
My original response was to post #61, where the poster implied that a handgun with a round in the chamber could be considered unloaded.

As for:

A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition

That is insane. I am just glad I don't live in New York. Most gun laws in VA make a lot more sense, but we have some stupid ones too.

75 posted on 10/21/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot

Agreed. Having ammo for a gun and having a loaded gun are two different things entirely.


76 posted on 10/21/2005 8:44:49 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: OKSooner

Naaah.

The gun was loaded and sitting there, just ready to ambush an innocent victim. It fired itself and we have to sue the gun manufacturers but can't because the Evil NRA and the Evil George Bush signed a bill preventing the "victim" from doing so.

Left-wing garbage as usual.


77 posted on 10/21/2005 8:47:50 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: dmz

not really, a lot of drive thrus are so close that the driver can reach in and shoot anyway. you are realkly exposed in one of those.


78 posted on 10/21/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Yeah well, it is not the drunks 'intent' to 'accidentally cross the centerline'. But we all know that does not make it the car's fault, or the beer's fault. Removing either would have prevented the accident but nothing about their part in it was accidental. Same with this gun. Nothing about the function of that gun was accidental. Even the pulling the trigger was probably intentional. Did the shooter 'accidental' not unload it? No, that was not an 'accident' either. They stupidly decided not to unload it or check that it was unloaded before they stupidly decided the try out the trigger. The only part that I would call 'accidental' is the direction it was pointed in and even that SHOULD have been deliberate.
79 posted on 10/21/2005 9:32:36 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: linkinpunk

Yep. I have been around a lot of guns in my life time, and never has one accidently discharged. In order for a gun to shoot, you need to pull the trigger. Im not sure of the age requirements for possessing a handgun in Louisiana, but it does not mention anybody there being over 21 (most states have 21 for handgun i believe). It only mentions 20 and 19. Either way, thats all a side note. Sad the person died, but it wasnt because of a accidental discharge, it was because of stupidity.


80 posted on 10/21/2005 9:35:07 AM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: ftriggerf

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81 posted on 10/21/2005 10:07:17 AM PDT by ftriggerf
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To: ftriggerf

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82 posted on 10/21/2005 10:09:15 AM PDT by ftriggerf
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To: Ellesu

They had to be sitting in a wacky SUV when this happened.


83 posted on 10/21/2005 10:31:34 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: P8riot

An automatic weapon does not chamber the first round in the clip until you manually retract the bolt. You can put a full clip in and pull the trigger all you want, nothing will happen. The thing that makes it automatic is that after you pull the trigger on the first round, subsequent rounds are automatically chambered. A fully automatic weapon continues to fire as long a you hold the trigger, a semi- just chambers a round.

Another danger is that once a round is chambered, removing the clip leaves the round in the chamber. You need to retract the bolt to remove it.


84 posted on 10/21/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: highimpact
"It's a good thing I keep my guns locked in a steel safe. They're always accidentally firing on their own. Last night they went through seven boxes of ammunition. It sounded like a war zone in my closet. I just hope they don't figure out how to go fully automatic."

I do the same thing. Always afraid that the guns will get together with my stupid SUV and go out and do drive-bys....


85 posted on 10/21/2005 12:05:34 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, SEA Class of '68)
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To: marktwain
I would wager a significant sum that these women had no training, and were carrying the pistols illegally under Louisiana law.

Better hold your money. Unless the weapons were being carried concealed, or the persons possesing the guns were convicted felons, what they were doing was likely perfectly legal under Lousiana Law.

LA Constitutional provision"

"The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person." Article 1, Section 11.

From the NRA ILA site's LA page:

No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or a handgun. It is illegal for any person who is a national of a country with whom the United States is at war to own, possess, have custody, or use any firearm. It is unlawful for anyone who has been convicted of certain crimes of violence to possess a firearm for a period of ten years from the date of completion of the sentence, probation, parole or suspension of sentence. It is unlawful for any person under seventeen to possess a handgun on his person, but this does not apply to any person under seventeen who is attending a hunter`s safety or firearms safety course; engaging in practice in the use of a firearm or target shooting at an established range; hunting or trapping pursuant to a valid license; or traveling to or from one of the above activities.

86 posted on 10/21/2005 5:00:58 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Thrusher
Definitely some Darwin Award nominees here.

Assuming the 19 yr/old dead female had no children, I'd say she's a winner, not a mere nominee.

87 posted on 10/21/2005 5:03:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: 308MBR

So the genocide begins ?...........:o)


88 posted on 10/21/2005 5:08:26 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Centurion2000
Let's see. How many concealed carry permits were in the car?

Don't need no stinking permit to posses and carry unconcealed in Louisiana. Or Texas either, if one stipulates that the "carry" is in a vehicle, and is concealed but not on the person. (IOW, it could be under the seat,in the glove box or center console, or under a newspaper on the seat).

89 posted on 10/21/2005 7:28:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
If they had just bought them, why were they already loaded?

Maybe because they bought some ammunition too, yah think?

They may have been no goodniks, but we really can't tell from the story. Y'all are jumping to conclusions based I suspect on the names their momma's gave the two named ones. They all appear to be young ladies, at least the two who are named do. They may, just may, have wanted the guns for protection. But at least one of them broke at least two and probably three of the commandments of safe gun handling. Probably because their parents never taught them those in the first place.

90 posted on 10/21/2005 7:36:48 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Tenacious 1
I wander if their fathers ever took them to a range and demonstrated a level of trust to their young boys.

I believe Nichole and Teaira are girls names. Not that it matters. I know I taught my girls, now 30 and 25, safe gun handling. Both of 'em favored handguns too. BTW, the older one now has a JD (and a new baby!) the other is a PhD candidate.

91 posted on 10/21/2005 7:40:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: GingisK
Yep. This is how I actually keep mine. I don't show it to anyone.

What's the fun in that?

You gotta do it safely, but showing off your weapons is one the enjoyable parts of the gun culture.

92 posted on 10/21/2005 7:48:03 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Hildy
A girl is still dead. My bright, beautiful cousin was killed by a gun that accidentally went off. Who cares whose to blame...she's still dead.

Who is to blame is not so important, unless it was a deliberate act. What behavior is to blame is vitally important. If you don't know what went wrong, you can't keep it from happening again.

93 posted on 10/21/2005 7:50:32 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: highimpact
"I just hope they don't figure out how to go fully automatic..."

More importantly, you better hope that they don't learn how to open the safe door! That German-Swiss feller,Sig Sauer, is a wily one.

94 posted on 10/21/2005 7:56:20 PM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: BigTom85
Im not sure of the age requirements for possessing a handgun in Louisiana, but it does not mention anybody there being over 21

According to the NRA ILA website, it's 17 in LA. Of course federal law says you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun from a federally licensed dealer, but there are other lawful ways to purchase, or be given, a handgun.

95 posted on 10/21/2005 8:05:48 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: KarinG1

>>And I never put my finger on the trigger unless I intend to fire.<<

One of the least well taught, yet most important rule of gun training.


96 posted on 10/21/2005 8:08:05 PM PDT by 1L
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To: El Gato
Unless the weapons were being carried concealed, or the persons possesing the guns were convicted felons, what they were doing was likely perfectly legal under Lousiana Law.

Thanks for the information. I figured that the pistols were concealed, at some time, but I can't prove it.

Nice post on LA law. I wonder if the NOLA police abide by it.

97 posted on 10/21/2005 8:36:13 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: highimpact

that's why the safe is so important. Allows one to get sleep at night without the worry of the guns going on a midnight raid.


98 posted on 10/21/2005 8:48:36 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: highimpact
It's a good thing I keep my guns locked in a steel safe. They're always accidentally firing on their own.

Then you should get yourself one of these to catch them in the act: Smith & Wesson Gun-Cam

99 posted on 10/21/2005 9:01:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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To: BigTom85

"Yep. I have been around a lot of guns in my life time, and never has one accidently discharged."

I am not coming to the defense of stupidity. Further I no that guns do not shoot themselves (suicidle or otherwise). That said, I was 13 and pheasant hunting with my father. We were loading our shotguns in the field and his 20ga mossberg went off after he chambered and round and went to slide in the 6th shell. Scared the poooop out of us to say the least. He had the gun pointed in a safe direction. We spent an hour trying to figure out how it happened. Interestingly enough, we ruled "magic" out right away.


100 posted on 10/24/2005 6:25:12 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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