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Gun accidentally fires, kills 19-year-old woman (Louisiana)
2theadvocate.com ^ | 10/21/05

Posted on 10/21/2005 5:42:52 AM PDT by Ellesu

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To: newzjunkey
The thing was kept LOADED!

Loaded or not, it had a round chambered! (Assuming it was an automatic. If it was a revolver, they should up the charge to willful murder.)

When I was in the Army, I worked as a Battalion S-2 clerk (Soldier of Paperwork, Elite Combat Typist Section) in a Pershing Missile unit in Germany during the time of the Bader-Meinhoff nonsense. When I reported for work there was a loaded M1911 in desk drawer, which stayed there for my entire tour.

Surprisingly, It never once accidentally went off.

61 posted on 10/21/2005 7:42:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: newzjunkey

Our guns are kept loaded. What good is an unloaded gun?


62 posted on 10/21/2005 7:44:05 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: highimpact

Just hope they don't learn how to unlock the door!


63 posted on 10/21/2005 7:46:04 AM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

wonder how many were blonde?


64 posted on 10/21/2005 7:46:18 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Loaded or not, it had a round chambered!

Huh? What's the difference?

65 posted on 10/21/2005 7:58:38 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot
Loaded or not, it had a round chambered!

Huh? What's the difference?

A gun is considered loaded if there are rounds in the magazine/clip. However, it is not "ready to fire" unless a round is chambered.

66 posted on 10/21/2005 8:13:39 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: camle

I wasn't questioning you, only stating my limited experience. It would seem a little too easy to avoid by simply ducking below the window to attempt an armed robbery that way.


67 posted on 10/21/2005 8:18:46 AM PDT by dmz
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To: highimpact

A handgun is loaded with one round in the chamber.


68 posted on 10/21/2005 8:19:22 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: stylecouncilor

oops ping


69 posted on 10/21/2005 8:23:22 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Ellesu
and as she was looking at both of them, one accidentally discharged.

***************

Classic defence: "I was holding the gun and it just went off and killed my husband".

How do reporters and lawyers get away with this?

70 posted on 10/21/2005 8:27:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ellesu

Ten bucks says they finally got around to comparing the Glock.


71 posted on 10/21/2005 8:28:24 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: OKSooner

A girl is still dead. My bright, beautiful cousin was killed by a gun that accidentally went off. Who cares whose to blame...she's still dead.


72 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:02 AM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: OKSooner

A girl is still dead. My bright, beautiful cousin was killed by a gun that accidentally went off. Who cares whose to blame...she's still dead.


73 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:03 AM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: P8riot
A handgun is loaded with one round in the chamber.

Yes, you're right. It's also "loaded" if there are no rounds in the chamber but rounds in the clip or magazine. The laws are pretty clear on that in all 50 states. Here is a snippet of the NY State law as an example:

A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. ("Loaded" means loaded in magazine or chamber. A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition.)

source: http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm

74 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:23 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: highimpact
My original response was to post #61, where the poster implied that a handgun with a round in the chamber could be considered unloaded.

As for:

A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition

That is insane. I am just glad I don't live in New York. Most gun laws in VA make a lot more sense, but we have some stupid ones too.

75 posted on 10/21/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: P8riot

Agreed. Having ammo for a gun and having a loaded gun are two different things entirely.


76 posted on 10/21/2005 8:44:49 AM PDT by highimpact
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To: OKSooner

Naaah.

The gun was loaded and sitting there, just ready to ambush an innocent victim. It fired itself and we have to sue the gun manufacturers but can't because the Evil NRA and the Evil George Bush signed a bill preventing the "victim" from doing so.

Left-wing garbage as usual.


77 posted on 10/21/2005 8:47:50 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: dmz

not really, a lot of drive thrus are so close that the driver can reach in and shoot anyway. you are realkly exposed in one of those.


78 posted on 10/21/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Yeah well, it is not the drunks 'intent' to 'accidentally cross the centerline'. But we all know that does not make it the car's fault, or the beer's fault. Removing either would have prevented the accident but nothing about their part in it was accidental. Same with this gun. Nothing about the function of that gun was accidental. Even the pulling the trigger was probably intentional. Did the shooter 'accidental' not unload it? No, that was not an 'accident' either. They stupidly decided not to unload it or check that it was unloaded before they stupidly decided the try out the trigger. The only part that I would call 'accidental' is the direction it was pointed in and even that SHOULD have been deliberate.
79 posted on 10/21/2005 9:32:36 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: linkinpunk

Yep. I have been around a lot of guns in my life time, and never has one accidently discharged. In order for a gun to shoot, you need to pull the trigger. Im not sure of the age requirements for possessing a handgun in Louisiana, but it does not mention anybody there being over 21 (most states have 21 for handgun i believe). It only mentions 20 and 19. Either way, thats all a side note. Sad the person died, but it wasnt because of a accidental discharge, it was because of stupidity.


80 posted on 10/21/2005 9:35:07 AM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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