Posted on 10/21/2005 9:44:44 AM PDT by blogblogginaway
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/wilson.whoswho.pdf
Anyone remember the Miranda memo thingie back in 2003-04?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=Miranda+memos&ok=Search&q=deep&m=all&o=score&SX=4359468ee0ab9a45855c031ee96fcccba6ee0059
An article I found while doing research on the multitude of CIA resignations a few days ago, which at the time I dismissed as moonbat rantings...BUT:
Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?SourceThe real reasons, contrary to the saturation spin being put out by major news outlets, have nothing to do with Tenet's role as taking the fall for alleged 9/11 and Iraqi intelligence “failures” before the upcoming presidential election.
Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown. Shortly after the “surprise” Tenet-Pavitt resignations, current and former senior members of the U.S. intelligence community and the Justice Department told journalist Wayne Madsen, a former Naval intelligence officer, that they were directly connected to the criminal investigation of a 2003 White House leak that openly exposed Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer.
Seymour Hersh dropped a major bombshell that went virtually unnoticed, 54 paragraphs deep into an October 27, 2003 story for the New Yorker titled “The Stovepipe.”
“Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that [the Italian intelligence service] Sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.“Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, 'Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.'
He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.”
Okay...there is much misinformation in the article which has now been disproven, as Rove/Bush/Cheney did not leak Plame's name, but what about the basic premise that this whole thing was a coup set up by the CIA? That would explain the shakeup at the CIA. You will notice that Powell's name is in there too, and he did resign in that time frame, just as they said. They are now trying to hang that memo around Bush's neck.
Yes, I have my tin foil hat securely on, LOL! From some more reliable sources:
If Joe diGenova is right, and I suspect he is, the federal investigation into the disclosure of the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame should never have happened.
“My views are stronger than ever,” the former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia said Monday when asked about the white-hot controversy that has sent a New York Times reporter to jail, changed the rules of investigative journalism and now threatens to envelop the White House in a major crisis. “This investigation never should have started because it’s apparent that no crime was ever committed.” “The only way an investigation can begin is if the agency swears — swears — that it took every conceivable step to protect this person’s identity.”
For example, the CIA had to answer 11 specific questions about what steps it took to protect the identity of a covert agent. But diGenova questions whether some of the information the CIA provided the Justice Department on those 11 questions “was materially false.”
In addition, he pointed out that the CIA paid for Wilson’s trip, didn’t ask him to sign a confidentiality agreement, didn’t object to his writing the op-ed article in the Times and allowed him to conduct TV interviews and to appear in a photo with his wife in Vanity Fair, he noted.
“The CIA isn’t stupid,” he said. “They wanted this story out. I’m raising the question: Did the CIA mislead Fitzgerald?”
Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.” He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.
“The agency guys were so pissed at Cheney,” the former officer said. “They said, ‘O.K, we’re going to put the bite on these guys.’ ” My source said that he was first told of the fabrication late last year, at one of the many holiday gatherings in the Washington area of past and present C.I.A. officials. “Everyone was bragging about it—‘Here’s what we did. It was cool, cool, cool.’ ” These retirees, he said, had superb contacts among current officers in the agency and were informed in detail of the sismi intelligence.
“They thought that, with this crowd, it was the only way to go—to nail these guys who were not practicing good tradecraft and vetting intelligence,” my source said. “They thought it’d be bought at lower levels—a big bluff.” The thinking, he said, was that the documents would be endorsed by Iraq hawks at the top of the Bush Administration, who would be unable to resist flaunting them at a press conference or an interagency government meeting. They would then look foolish when intelligence officials pointed out that they were obvious fakes. But the tactic backfired, he said, when the papers won widespread acceptance within the Administration. “It got out of control.”
Like all large institutions, C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia, is full of water-cooler gossip, and a retired clandestine officer told me this summer that the story about a former operations officer faking the documents is making the rounds. “What’s telling,” he added, “is that the story, whether it’s true or not, is believed”—an extraordinary commentary on the level of mistrust, bitterness, and demoralization within the C.I.A. under the Bush Administration. (William Harlow, the C.I.A. spokesman, said that the agency had no more evidence that former members of the C.I.A. had forged the documents “than we have that they were forged by Mr. Hersh.”)
The F.B.I. has been investigating the forgery at the request of the Senate Intelligence Committee. A senior F.B.I. official told me that the possibility that the documents were falsified by someone inside the American intelligence community had not been ruled out. “This story could go several directions,” he said. “We haven’t gotten anything solid, and we’ve looked.” He said that the F.B.I. agents assigned to the case are putting a great deal of effort into the investigation. But “somebody’s hiding something, and they’re hiding it pretty well.”
i thought those were FBI plots.
If nothing else, the CIA was careless and stupid in sending Wilson to Niger. He was not in the agency, he was not a WMD expert, he was not a trained investigator, he had not been to Niger for several years, and he was a publicity-seeking blabbermouth. That such an unqualified person was sent on a politically sensitive mission, that his "investigation" was - by his own admission - haphazard and unprofessional, that he was not required to prepare a formal report of his findings, that he was not required to sign a security pledge, that his story found its way into the press before Cheney even knew about it, that his mission would almost certainly further compromise the identity of his CIA wife, and that the CIA initiated a "leak" investigation against the White House - all of this is "prima facie" evidence of either gross incompetence or worse, i.e. a plot against the President of the United States by one of its own intelligence agencies. Yet the MSM have looked the other way.
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More leaks in Wilson's boat...
Miller NOW admits she met/talked with Libby on June 23rd. Sandy first burgled on June 28th. Wilson wroted his op-ed on July 6th.
How did Miller even know enough to inquire about Joe? He hadn't dropped his column yet?
The little lying b**** had another source before Libby......but she has conveniently forgotten "who". It had to come out of the Dem Camp that Valerie was going to "burn". Hence, Valerie Flame. Miller had to know of BOTH Valerie and nice Mr. Wilson.
During the next few weeks a documentary will be released in the US in which, alongside American diplomats that have served in Niger, a number of ex-CIA agents appear. The common objective that unites them is an attempt to demonstrate the role and responsibility of Bush in the dirty affair. No small coincidence this: those involved, as we have already indicated, are the movers and shakers behind a strategy put in place to favour the rise of JF Kerry. Amongst those involved is Vincent Cannistraro, ex-CIA and subsequently a security advisor to the Vatican. Its rather odd that Cannistraro, who in public conferences tried to convince the Americans of the dangers of the Iraqi nuclear threat, is now placing the blame for the false documents on the Italians.
who is "the CIA"? Do they mean Tenet?
Ping!
I didn't know that Wilson was Plame's second husband but she was born Plame. So, who was her first husband? That might be interesting???
I think those forged documents were connected to France somehow.
And, if you remember it wasn't an elite unit (like a SEAL team, ForceRecon, or Green Berets) that captured Saddam. It was a tactical team from the 4th ID. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that soldiers in the 4th ID aren't "elite", but just that is wasn't a SEAL team or some other recognized "elite" unit, per se).
Certainly, they had some intelligence information, but it wasn't as if it it was the aforementioned SEAL team that had to battle their way into a palace to snatch Saddam, actions which are often times the result of CIA-fed information.
One might be forgiven for thinking that the intelligence that was used in the initial strike was flawed, whereas the hard-working soldiers of the 4th ID didn't rely on CIA intelligence but on-the-ground intelligence that, in the end, had them nabbing Saddam.
Perhaps that's no coincidence?
"Nigerian embassy." Is this the embassy of the Republic of Niger, or the embassy of Nigeria? I'd guess the former but haven't followed the details on the forged documents.
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