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Stronger Than Steel, Harder Than Diamonds (Buckypaper)
Space Daily ^ | Oct 21, 2005 | Unattributed

Posted on 10/21/2005 10:47:51 AM PDT by Ben Mugged

Working with a material 10 times lighter than steel - but 250 times stronger - would be a dream come true for any engineer. If this material also had amazing properties that made it highly conductive of heat and electricity, it would start to sound like something out of a science fiction novel. Yet one Florida State University research group, the Florida Advanced Center for Composite Technologies (FAC2T), is working to develop real-world applications for just such a material. ~snip~ Buckypaper is made from carbon nanotubes -- amazingly strong fibers about 1/50,000th the diameter of a human hair that were first developed in the early 1990s. Buckypaper owes its name to Buckminsterfullerene, or Carbon 60 -- a type of carbon molecule whose powerful atomic bonds make it twice as hard as a diamond. If exposed to an electric charge, buckypaper could be used to illuminate computer and television screens. It would be more energy-efficient, lighter, and would allow for a more uniform level of brightness than current cathode ray tube (CRT) and liquid crystal display (LCD) technology.

As one of the most thermally conductive materials known, buckypaper lends itself to the development of heat sinks that would allow computers and other electronic equipment to disperse heat more efficiently than is currently possible. This, in turn, could lead to even greater advances in electronic miniaturization.

Because it has an unusually high current-carrying capacity, a film made from buckypaper could be applied to the exteriors of airplanes. Lightning strikes then would flow around the plane and dissipate without causing damage.

(Excerpt) Read more at spacedaily.com ...


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Amazing material!
1 posted on 10/21/2005 10:47:53 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

when it's at Home Depot let me know.


2 posted on 10/21/2005 10:55:00 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Ben Mugged

I wonder if someone has figured out much distance it can add to your golf drive if attached to the face of a club?


3 posted on 10/21/2005 10:55:37 AM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: Ben Mugged

And now that they've gone public with it you will have everyone in the world trying to steal it.


4 posted on 10/21/2005 10:56:33 AM PDT by snowman1
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To: snowman1
And now that they've gone public with it you will have everyone in the world trying to steal it.

Science is not industry. They publish what they find willingly. Theft of bragging rights would be dealt with harshly.

5 posted on 10/21/2005 10:59:55 AM PDT by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: w_over_w

What I'm wondering is whether this has any armor applications - thinner, lighter body armor, anyone?


6 posted on 10/21/2005 11:00:25 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: w_over_w

Heck with increased yardage - if I hit a ball farther, it's just that much more lost!


7 posted on 10/21/2005 11:00:48 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Ben Mugged
Buckypaper -- Certainly sounds tough.
8 posted on 10/21/2005 11:03:06 AM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: Ben Mugged

Old hat: Reardon metal.


9 posted on 10/21/2005 11:03:45 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Ben Mugged

The article seems to have left a little piece out..

One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00, no that is not a typo.


10 posted on 10/21/2005 11:04:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: Ben Mugged
Woohoo! Go Seminoles! First landing the Applied Superconductivity research lab last week, to go along with it's world class high magnetic resonance lab and the discovery of Taxol....

And you Yankees thought FSU was just another southern football school. It's the New South, baby. :)

11 posted on 10/21/2005 11:07:55 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: stockpirate
One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00, no that is not a typo.

Price gouging!

And... It's Bush's fault.

12 posted on 10/21/2005 11:09:38 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Redbob
Heck with increased yardage - if I hit a ball farther, it's just that much more lost!

LOL! Yeah but it sure is nice weather . . . and that fresh air!

13 posted on 10/21/2005 11:09:38 AM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: Ben Mugged
So a suit made out of this would render someone immune to a lightning bolt, taser dart, area effect microwave weapons and stun guns.

A cowboy hat of this would be the ultimate UV blocker and tin foil hat device.

Firefighting suits could be hooked up with a heat bleeding system to let them operate inside infernos.

I wonder how much protection it could give electrical workers.

14 posted on 10/21/2005 11:09:55 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- Truth, Justice and the American Way)
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To: w_over_w

Ah, Ive heard that one before...."It's the equipment"!


15 posted on 10/21/2005 11:11:25 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( Now to be known as Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
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To: mikeus_maximus
And you Yankees thought FSU was just another southern football school. It's the New South, baby. :)

Don't worry. Bobby Bowden is already trying to figure out how to use this stuff on all those free shoes to make his players faster. :)

}:-)4

16 posted on 10/21/2005 11:13:53 AM PDT by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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To: Spktyr

Probably not, because body armor has to dissipate the energy not just stop a bullet etc.


17 posted on 10/21/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: stockpirate
"In addition, we're focused on developing processes that will allow it to be mass-produced cheaply."

They are working on the price.

18 posted on 10/21/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. - Thomas Mann)
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To: stockpirate
One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00...

Well, then, GM will certainly want to use some of it in their Hummers.

19 posted on 10/21/2005 11:14:25 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: Spktyr

yes! that should give us a good advantage in the AP study!


20 posted on 10/21/2005 11:17:48 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: w_over_w
I wonder if someone has figured out much distance it can add to your golf drive if attached to the face of a club?

I've calculated that the result will be that instead of landing in the woods on the right you will fly the trees and land on route 129 North.

21 posted on 10/21/2005 11:22:41 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: layman
I've calculated that the result will be that instead of landing in the woods on the right you will fly the trees and land on route 129 North.

Hmmmmmm . . . you're a little off. From the 9th Tee at Elkins Ranch CC an errant drive to the right would have to clear a 1/2 mile of citrus orchard to land on Hwy. 126 West to Ventura, CA.

Someone's gotta put this buckypaper on a driver . . . I gotta see that shot! ;^)

22 posted on 10/21/2005 11:30:33 AM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: Dark Wing

ping


23 posted on 10/21/2005 11:34:03 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Recon Dad
Ah, Ive heard that one before...."It's the equipment"!

Or as my old man use to tell me, "it's not the arrows, it's the Indian."

BTW, I thank your son for his service to our country.

24 posted on 10/21/2005 11:35:18 AM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: polymuser

"Well, then, GM will certainly want to use some of it in their Hummers."

I'm surprised some enterprising compnay doesn't start coating their vehicle's shift lever or something like that with it just so they can say they're "high tech".


25 posted on 10/21/2005 11:37:15 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Ben Mugged

I would love to make a hang glider or paraglider out of this stuff...


26 posted on 10/21/2005 11:37:46 AM PDT by skikvt
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To: stockpirate

Weight per volume is probably pretty low.


27 posted on 10/21/2005 11:38:59 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: w_over_w
an errant drive to the right would have to clear a 1/2 mile of citrus orchard to land on Hwy. 126 West to Ventura, CA.

You'll probably need three layers of buckypaper for that kind of carry.

28 posted on 10/21/2005 11:41:02 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: stockpirate

At one time aluminium was a precious metal more expensive than gold. Now aluminium is about 1/8700th the price of gold. With that history in mind, I am certain that nanotubes will fall to $100/lb and won't be the least bit surprised if one day I see them trade on the commodities market for $1/lb.


30 posted on 10/21/2005 11:45:14 AM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: jim_trent

Reardon metal.


good book
dagny got all the good guys...i'm jealous....


31 posted on 10/21/2005 11:47:40 AM PDT by Taffini (My cat hates your cat)
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To: Flying Circus

The price of nanotubing currentl is around $500.00 a gram!


32 posted on 10/21/2005 11:50:28 AM PDT by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: stockpirate
The article seems to have left a little piece out.. One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00, no that is not a typo.

So what? In five years it will sell for $700 a pound, and in ten years it will sell for 70 cents a pound. High-tech materials always start out very expensive, then plummet in price as mass production methods are developed. Remember, we're talking about carbon atoms here, which are not exactly a rare element. Once we figure out cost-efficient methods of forming carbon atoms into nanotube molecules, the raw material expense will be negligible.

33 posted on 10/21/2005 11:52:18 AM PDT by dpwiener
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To: w_over_w
I wonder if someone has figured out much distance it can add to your golf drive if attached to the face of a club?

No doubt, and I'll bet the golf balls made with this stuff will be the latest have to have product.

34 posted on 10/21/2005 11:55:19 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: w_over_w
Ah, Ive heard that one before...."It's the equipment"!
Or as my old man use to tell me, "it's not the arrows, it's the Indian."

I heard it as "It's a poor workman that blames his tools."

35 posted on 10/21/2005 12:02:52 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- Truth, Justice and the American Way)
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To: 1Old Pro

;)


36 posted on 10/21/2005 12:06:04 PM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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I find it hard to believe that it is twice as hard as diamond.

Twice as tough I might believe due to diamond's clevage planes, but not twice as hard. Equal hardness I might believe.

If it were twice as hard, the only way you could machine the stuff is with itself, making fabrication impractical to say the least..


37 posted on 10/21/2005 12:15:59 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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In fact, the more I re-read the article, the more I think it contains a lot of hype and inaccuracies. Yes, there are huge potentials with the material, but this article strikes me as taking a lot of "poetic license".


38 posted on 10/21/2005 12:22:56 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: stockpirate
One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00, no that is not a typo.

And aluminum used to be so expensive that they chose a small pyramid of the stuff to top off the Washington Monument.

39 posted on 10/21/2005 12:24:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: stockpirate
One pound of nano-tubing sells for only $700,000.00, no that is not a typo.

The price will come down soon. The scientists invent, and the engineers and manufacturers find ways to make it cheaper and more quickly.

40 posted on 10/21/2005 12:26:27 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: evilC

Well, you'd still back it with Kevlar, but it could reduce the thickness of Kevlar required for a given protection level *and/or* allow troops to wear hard armor to deflect shrapnel, knives, etc.


41 posted on 10/21/2005 12:30:07 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Don't attack me about the price it is what it is.

There is a golf company that lays claims to the fact that they make a shaft that sells for $89.00 retail and has nanotubing incorporated in the design.

How much can it have at that price, at $500.00 a gram?

There must be some inthe gule on the sticker....lol

Until they fix the price this is dream stuff.


42 posted on 10/21/2005 12:33:45 PM PDT by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: w_over_w

He will appreciate that. Right now he and his teammate are hunkered down in the Caribe Internation Hotel in Cancun. We tried everything we could to get him out without success.
The one thing I can be sure of is that they are the two best equipped people down there to survive. They both have been to SERE school and know how to make do.


43 posted on 10/21/2005 12:34:08 PM PDT by Recon Dad ( Now to be known as Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
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To: Ben Mugged

Now if you could make this stuff cheaply enough, you could make cars out of it. And since your car would be so light, you could have a much lighter engine. You might be able to get a few hundred miles per gallon. Or perhaps the energy requirements would be light enough that you could have a practical electric car.

On a related point, I'm in the minority among conservatives in that I think global warming is potentially a very serious problem. I still oppose Kyoto, however. Why should we suffer so much pain now for a treaty that won't make any difference?

The better approach is to live with a little warming for the next twenty years while new technologies help us build tools that do what we want without the problems of emissions. If Buckypaper cars become viable, we could go way beyond the Kyoto treaty goals with very little pain.


44 posted on 10/21/2005 12:35:16 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Recon Dad
I'll say a prayer for them.

I understand the beachfront hotels in Cancun were built specifically to withstand hurricane force storms. Heck, who would of thought the season would have gone to Wilma?

45 posted on 10/21/2005 12:58:46 PM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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Placemarker


46 posted on 10/21/2005 1:04:21 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Redbob

"if I hit a ball farther, it's just that much more lost!"

LOL! Potential tagline


47 posted on 10/21/2005 1:07:56 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: w_over_w

These days, being Indian is no guarantee that I shoot arrows well. Fortunately there are other projectile devices that I am very good at using.


48 posted on 10/21/2005 1:30:18 PM PDT by Redcitizen (My tagline can beat up your honor tagline)
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To: Redcitizen
These days, being Indian is no guarantee that I shoot arrows well. Fortunately there are other projectile devices that I am very good at using.

LOL! You have a sharp sense of humor . . . and probably an equal aim with your guns.

BTW, thank you for your service to our country.

49 posted on 10/21/2005 1:57:11 PM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: w_over_w

Thank you.


50 posted on 10/21/2005 3:24:35 PM PDT by Redcitizen (My tagline can beat up your honor tagline)
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