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The big red head (Great Read about Che Guevara)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/22/05 | Francis Pedraza

Posted on 10/22/2005 12:25:58 PM PDT by wagglebee

Visit almost any American college campus, walk down the streets of practically every city, and you will see idyllic youth proudly wearing a shirt showing a handsome Latino face cast against a sea of customary red – emblems of the personality cult of communist revolutionary Che Guevara. The image of Che attracts many youth in the West; they see only dreaming eyes, wild jet-black hair cascading under a military beret that's crowned with a single soviet star. His face is a stamp on products filling sales racks, a symbol, an icon of pop culture – a patron saint for society's youthful rebels.

He seems to be remembered in the company of heroes: a doctor working for the emancipation of the world's poor, a brilliant intellectual speaking out against American tyranny, a martyr betrayed by an ungrateful world. In this way, nearly 40 years after his execution, Che survives. He lives in the nostalgia of his militant followers, whose ranks swell as new memorabilia confirm the survival of his legacy. Cast in this favorable light, Time magazine places him next to Billy Graham and Anne Frank on the "Top 100s" alphabetical list, writing, "He would resurrect, young people shouted in the late '60s … ¡No lo vamos a olvidar! We won't let him be forgotten." And so the world remembers – yet it also forgets. They remember not a man but a myth.

In reality, Che was an executioner. He personally placed bullets in the heads of hundreds of defenseless prisoners and oversaw the hasty executions at the La Cabaña Fortress prison. Perhaps this was his single military talent, as he showed neither bravery nor skill during actual combat.

In reality, Che never graduated from medical school. He spent his time making, not mending, wounds.

In reality, his writing, dull and devoid of brilliance, bears nothing more than the angry clichés of a violent cause, cries to generate, "two, three, many Vietnams," and exhortations to use "hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become. …"

In reality, Che cared little for the poor and oppressed. The quintessential communist, he spoke of liberating "the poor" while wading in their very blood and appropriating their resources. His actions were resisted by the poor, who revolted against his revolution in Cuba. They were his greatest enemy and helped bring about his death in Bolivia. If Che were truly concerned with their poverty, he would not have lived in an expropriated beachfront mansion in Havana.

Yet somehow Time remembers him as "Che the titan standing up to the Yanquis, the world's dominant power. Che the moral guru proclaiming that a New Man, no ego and all ferocious love for the other, had to be forcibly created out of the ruins of the old one. Che the romantic mysteriously leaving the revolution to continue, sick though he might be with asthma, the struggle against oppression and tyranny."

To those leftists who proudly wear his mug, communism thanks you! And for frequenting hip boutiques, for buying T-shirts and $198 cashmere-wool Che sweaters, for going on Regent Holiday Che tours and to Che movies – capitalism also thanks you for your business.

To those who wear the shirts with the big red head without realizing that he routinely lined people up against a wall and gunned them down, I lament that you misunderstand this man and in whose company he stands. His name should be carved alongside the names of the most evil butchers of history: Arafat, bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Caesar, Castro, Genghis Khan, Stalin, Ayatollah Khomeini, Lenin, Mao of China, Mussolini of Italy, Nero, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and now Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

"We won't let him be forgotten."

Francis Pedraza is a 16-year-old from San Diego, Calif., who this year is finishing up a rigorous classical education. During last year's election, Pedraza was active in politics, with his speeches, interviews and public-service announcements airing on the radio around the U.S. He is currently working on his book, "A California Yankee in the Kangaroo Court."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: castro; che; cheguevara; communism; executions; firingsquads; leftists; massmurder; totalitarianism
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In reality, Che was an executioner. He personally placed bullets in the heads of hundreds of defenseless prisoners and oversaw the hasty executions at the La Cabaña Fortress prison. Perhaps this was his single military talent, as he showed neither bravery nor skill during actual combat.

In reality, Che never graduated from medical school. He spent his time making, not mending, wounds.

It's amazing how the left sees no problem is simply ignoring the crimes of their heroes.

1 posted on 10/22/2005 12:26:05 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Do you expect moral decency from the animals on the left?

You're asking for far too much.

2 posted on 10/22/2005 12:29:07 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: wagglebee

Look at how many dictators Dan Blather hugged up to. He was bestest buddies with ol' Fidel


3 posted on 10/22/2005 12:41:41 PM PDT by stm
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To: wagglebee

save


4 posted on 10/22/2005 12:46:21 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: wagglebee
Francis Pedraza is a 16-year-old from San Diego, Calif., who this year is finishing up a rigorous classical education. During last year's election, Pedraza was active in politics, with his speeches, interviews and public-service announcements airing on the radio around the U.S. He is currently working on his book, "A California Yankee in the Kangaroo Court."

This is an excellent article, and I'm especially impressed that the author is only 16.

5 posted on 10/22/2005 12:46:35 PM PDT by xJones
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To: wagglebee

About a year ago, a friend's teenaged son wore one of these che t-shirts in my presence. I asked who that was on his shirt. He said, "Some guy named Che." I asked if he knew anything about him and he did not. I gave him a short and to the point history lesson then offered to take that shirt off his back and burn it on the spot. His grandmother had been listening and she added her two cents along with mine. He immediately changed shirts and I haven't seen the che shirt since. His parents had never noticed what was pictured on his shirt. I think they pay a bit more attention now.


6 posted on 10/22/2005 12:47:41 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: wagglebee
The best thing about Che Guevara were the bullet holes in his head that the Bolivian Army had the good sense to install.
Viva Rodriguez! (The guy who shot this pig.)
7 posted on 10/22/2005 12:51:03 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: facedown

ping


8 posted on 10/22/2005 12:51:15 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: stm

As a Argentinian I have che, he's the worst person to come for Argentina.


9 posted on 10/22/2005 12:51:51 PM PDT by LittleJohnnyEdwards
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To: stm

As a Argentinian I have che, he's the worst person to come for Argentina.


10 posted on 10/22/2005 12:51:53 PM PDT by LittleJohnnyEdwards
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To: wagglebee
Visit almost any American college campus, walk down the streets of practically every city, and you will see idyllic youth proudly wearing a shirt showing a handsome Latino face cast against a sea of customary red – emblems of the personality cult of communist revolutionary Che Guevara.


I like these t-shirts:


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11 posted on 10/22/2005 12:52:02 PM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: xJones

I was amazed when I got to the end that he was so young, it was extremely well written.


12 posted on 10/22/2005 12:52:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

The writer seems to be a young person with quite a future.


13 posted on 10/22/2005 12:53:40 PM PDT by Bahbah (Tony Schaffer is a hero)
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To: wagglebee
They remember not a man but a myth.

They remember a silk screen graphic! Even Hitler could be made to look cool with the art student!

14 posted on 10/22/2005 12:55:39 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: wagglebee
Che Guevara: another homicidal dirtbag who finally got what he deserved. I have never understood what all these über-chic hipsters see in him.

But then, what do I know? I also think John Lennon was an overrated, no-talent druggie and that his stupid song "Imagine" totally sucks rocks.

15 posted on 10/22/2005 12:56:56 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: wagglebee

90% of the Nations of the world could solve 90% of their "problems" if that's really what they want to do, and if their "goverments" would allow it. Most would rather mope around and bitch about the US.


16 posted on 10/22/2005 12:57:16 PM PDT by Waco
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To: wagglebee
The real Latin American hero who should be on every dopey kids' tee shirt.

Okay kiddies... quick question... which country has the best economy in Latin America... which country has made the most progress in twenty years. Which strongman has actually turned his reformed country into a Democracy?

It kills me to see how Pinochet is attacked years after rescuing Chile from a Marxist hell under Allende, and at the same time Castro is fêted like a hero around the world.

Pinochet is a hero.
Castro is a DICTATOR who needs to stop a bullet.

17 posted on 10/22/2005 12:59:27 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: TonyRo76

Che no longer exists, either as an actual guy or a revolutionary icon. What exists is an image from the 60s that is somewhat artfully rendered on t-shirts.


18 posted on 10/22/2005 1:00:56 PM PDT by durasell
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To: TonyRo76

p.s.

Like the "smiley face" the Che image isn't copyrighted.


19 posted on 10/22/2005 1:02:21 PM PDT by durasell
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To: Bommer
They remember not a man but a myth.

They remember a silk screen graphic! Even Hitler could be made to look cool with the art student!

How does that saying go? Something about a lie going all the way around the world before the truth puts on its shoes? Something like that.


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20 posted on 10/22/2005 1:02:56 PM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: TonyRo76
Che Guevara appeals to stupid spoiled punks who were brought up believing that only intercourse is sex, all sports that aren't coed are discriminatory and that the only way to cure disease is through wearing ribbons. Most of them couldn't even tell you that Che Guevara was carrying an assault weapon (gasp!) when he was killed.

As far as John Lennon goes, his demise started the day he met Yoko Ono and began the destruction of the Beatles.

21 posted on 10/22/2005 1:05:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: rdb3

Warhol "predicted" the Che phenom in his Mao exhibit.


22 posted on 10/22/2005 1:06:06 PM PDT by durasell
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To: wagglebee
Actually, I have to confess. I LOVE Che Guevara tee shirts.

Don't you know...
They are a trick.

Using this trick, really smart guys like us, who truly understand economics get really clueless, stupid people to volutarily identify themselves as clueless stupid idiots thus saving the rest of you the ten minutes or so of conversatioon it would otherwise take to make this assessment on your own.

So the next time you see some dorko walking down the hallway of your university wearing a Che Guevara tee-shirt, thank ole Bon Mots and people like him for tricking the diptard into wearing it. You should be glad that you now have visible proof that the person wearing it is an abosultely clueless imbecile and unworthy of any of your attention.

Do not try to engage these people into any type of conversation. They are completely useless for anything meaningful except perhaps sparring partners or punching bags.

23 posted on 10/22/2005 1:06:25 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: wagglebee

ping


24 posted on 10/22/2005 1:10:07 PM PDT by ocr1
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To: Bon mots
Using this trick, really smart guys like us, who truly understand economics get really clueless, stupid people to voluntarily identify themselves as clueless stupid idiots, thus saving the rest of you the ten minutes or so of conversation it would otherwise take to make this assessment on your own.

Sorry gang. Please remind me not only to type at 100 miles per hour, but to proofread before hitting the post button!!!!!!!

25 posted on 10/22/2005 1:11:22 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: wagglebee

bttt


26 posted on 10/22/2005 1:16:31 PM PDT by jdm
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To: wagglebee
!--mstheme-->

THE REAL CHE GUEVARA

"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate

 while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for

 the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!" 

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his

natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is

what our soldiers must become … " Che Guevara

 

He was very 'brave' when he was at la        But he seemed really scared after he was

Cabaña Fortress murdering innocent            captured by Bolivian soldiers

civilians, including a 14 year old child

"I am much more valuable to you alive than dead," he told his captors pleading for

his life. Unfortunately for him, the Bolivian army gave him some of his own medicine

 

180 DOCUMENTED VICTIMS OF CHÉ GUEVARA IN CUBA: 1957 TO 1959

From: Armando M. Lago, Ph.D., Cuba. The Human Cost of Social Revolutions, unedited

Manuscript pending publication. Information provided by the TRUTH RECOVERY ARCHIVE ON CUBA

an undertaking of the FREE SOCIETY PROJECT, INC.

The exact number of Che’s Cuban victims has not been verified, but include people he personally

executed and those put to death under his orders. Che’s biographers consistently report that he sent

thousands to the firing squad. Over 4,000 deaths  are documented to have taken place in Cuba, mostly

firing squad execution, in the first three years after Fidel Castro’s takeover (1959-1962). Che Guevara

was one of the regime’s chief executioners during this period and is said to have acknowledged ordering

"several thousand" executions. All took place without affording the victims fair trials and due process of law.

The following list is not exhaustive and only includes cases for which historic reference is known. Names are  

cited as reported; dates and additional details for most are available. Combat deaths caused by Che in Cuba

and killings in countries where he led guerrilla operations have not been tallied.

14 executed by Che in the Sierra Maestra during the anti-Batista guerrilla struggle (1957-1958):

1. ARISTIDIO  2. MANUEL CAPITÁN  3. JUAN CHANG  4. “BISCO” ECHEVARRÍA  5. ECHEVARRÍA BROTHER #1

6. ECHEVARRÍA BROTHER #2  7. EUTIMIO GUERRA  8. DIONISIO LEBRIGIO  9. JUAN LEBRIGIO  10. “EL NEGRO” NÁPOLES

11. “CHICHO” OSORIO  12. ONE UNIDENTIFIED TEACHER (“EL MAESTRO)  13.-14. 2 UNIDENTIFIED PEASANTS

10 executed in Santa Clara at Che’s orders in only two days (January 1959):

1. RAMÓN ALBA  2. JOSÉ BARROSO  3. JOAQUÍN CASILLAS  4. FÉLIX CRUZ  5. ALEJANDRO GARCÍA OLAYÓN

6. HÉCTOR MIRABAL  7. J. MIRABAL  8. FÉLIX MONTANO  9. CORNELIO ROJAS  10. VILALLA

156 executed at La Cabaña Fortress prison at Che Guevara’s orders:

1. VILAU ABREU  2. HUMBERTO AGUIAR  3. GERMÁN AGUIRRE  4. PELAYO ALAYÓN  5. JOSÉ LUIS ALFARO

6. PEDRO ALFARO  7. MARIANO ALONSO  8. JOSÉ ALVARO  9. ANIELLA  10. MARIO ARES POLO

11. JOSÉ RAMÓN BACALLAO 12. CEVERINO BARRIOS  13. EUGENIO BÉCQUER  14. FRANCISCO BÉCQUER 

15. RAMÓN BISCET  16. ROBERTO CALZADILLA 17. EUFEMIO CANO  18. JUAN CAPOTE FIALLO 

19. ANTONIO CARRALERO  20. GERTRUDIS CASTELLANOS  21. JOSÉ CASTAÑO QUEVEDO  22. RAÚL CASTAÑO 

23. EUFEMIO CHALA  24. JOSÉ CHAMACE  25. JOSÉ CHAMIZO 26. RAÚL CLAUSELL  27. ÁNGEL CLAUSELL 

28. DEMETRIO CLAUSELL  29. JOSÉ CLAUSELL  30. ELOY CONTRERAS 31. ALBERTO CORBO  32. EMILIO CRUZ 

33. JUAN FELIPE CRUZ  34. ORESTES CRUZ  35. HUMBERTO CUEVAS 36. CUNY  37. ANTONIO DE BECHE 

38. MATEO DELGADO  39. ARMANDO DELGADO  40. RAMÓN DESPAIGNE 41. JOSÉ DÍAZ CABEZAS 

42. ANTONIO DUARTE  43. RAMÓN FERNÁNDEZ OJEDA  44. RUDY FERNÁNDEZ 45. FERRÁN ALFONSO 

46. SALVADOR FERRERO  47. VICTOR FIGUEREDO  48. EDUARDO FORTE 49. UGARDE GALÁN 

50. RAFAEL GARCÍA MUÑIZ  51. ADALBERTO GARCÍA  52. ALBERTO GARCÍA 53. JACINTO GARCÍA 

54. EVELIO GASPAR  55. ARMADA GIL Y DIEZ CABEZAS  56. JOSÉ GONZÁLEZ MALAGÓN 57. EVARISTO GONZÁLEZ 

58. EZEQUIEL GONZÁLEZ  59. SECUNDINO GONZÁLEZ  60. RICARDO GRAO 61. BONIFACIO GRASSO 

62. RICARDO JOSÉ GRAU  63. OSCAR GUERRA  64. JULIÁN HERNÁNDEZ 65. FRANCISCO HERNÁNDEZ LEYVA 

66. ANTONIO HERNÁNDEZ  67. GERARDO HERNÁNDEZ  68. OLEGARIO HERNÁNDEZ 69. SECUNDINO HERNÁNDEZ 

70. JESÚS INSUA  71. ENRIQUE IZQUIERDO  72. OSMÍN JORRÍN  73. SILVINO JUNCO 74. ENRIQUE LA ROSA 

75. IGNACIO LASAPARLA  76. JESÚS LAZO  77. ARIEL LIMA LAGO  78. RAÚL LÓPEZ VIDAL 79. ARMANDO MAS 

80. ENERLIO MATA  81. ELPIDIO MEDEROS  82. JOSÉ MEDINAS  83. JOSÉ MESA 84. FIDEL MESQUÍA 

85. JUAN MILIÁN  86. FRANCISCO MIRABAL  87. LUIS MIRABAL  88. ERNESTO MORALES 89. PEDRO MOREJÓN 

90. DR. CARLOS MUIÑO, MD.  91. CÉSAR NECOLARDES ROJAS  92. VICTOR NECOLARDES ROJAS 93. JOSÉ NUÑEZ 

94. VITERBO O'RREILLY  95. FÉLIX OVIEDO  96. MANUEL PANEQUE  97. PEDRO PEDROSO 98. RAFAEL PEDROSO 

99. DIEGO PÉREZ CUESTA  100. JUAN PÉREZ  101. DIEGO PÉREZ CRELA  102. JOSÉ POZO 103. EMILIO PUEBLA 

104. ALFREDO PUPO  105. SECUNDINO RAMÍREZ  106. RAMÓN RAMOS  107. PABLO RAVELO 108. RUBÉN REY 

109. MARIO RISQUELME  110. FERNANDO RIVERA  111. PABLO RIVERA  112. MANUEL RODRÍGUEZ

113. MARCOS RODRÍGUEZ  114. NEMESIO RODRÍGUEZ  115. PABLO RODRÍGUEZ  116. RICARDO RODRÍGUEZ

117. JOSÉ SALDARA  118. PEDRO SANTANA  119. SERGIO SIERRA  120. JUAN SILVA  121. FAUSTO SILVA 

122. ELPIDIO SOLER 123. JESÚS SOSA BLANCO  124. RENATO SOSA  125. SERGIO SOSA  126. PEDRO SOTO 

127. OSCAR SUÁREZ  128. RAFAEL TARRAGO  129. TEODORO TELLEZ CISNEROS  130. FRANCISCO TELLEZ 

131. JOSÉ TIN  132. FRANCISCO TRAVIESO 133. LEONARDO TRUJILLO  134. TRUJILLO  135. LUPE VALDÉS BARBOSA 

136. MARCELINO VALDÉS  137. ANTONIO VALENTÍN 138. MANUEL VÁZQUEZ  139. SERGIO VÁZQUEZ  140. VERDECIA 

141. DÁMASO ZAYAS

*15 additional executions were reported by The New York Times (on 2/6/59, 2/8/59, 3/16/59, and 4/2/59),

but names are unknown.

TRUTH RECOVERY ARCHIVE ON CUBA an undertaking of the FREE SOCIETY PROJECT, INC. www.CubaArchive.org

 


27 posted on 10/22/2005 1:21:32 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: RGVTx

Good for you!


28 posted on 10/22/2005 1:22:22 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: rdb3

Right!. and those lies get a heck of a push from the MSM, who have evidently never met a psycho murdering leftist (or just generally anti-American) scumbag they didn't like!


29 posted on 10/22/2005 1:26:37 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: All
Various Links ON THE NET...

THE COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG: "SWISS BANK UBS ALLEGEDLY LAUNDERED $5 BILLION FOR CUBA, IRAN AND LIBYA" (October 16, 2005)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "IRANIAN MILITANTS IN POWER STIR FEARS" by Bill Gertz (October 14, 2005)

INA TODAY.com - INTERNATIONAL NEWS ANALYSIS TODAY by Toby Westerman: "'CHE,' IRAN, AND THE BOMB" (October 13, 2005)

FrontPageMagazine.com: "FIDEL'S EXECUTIONER" by Humberto Fontova (October 14, 2005)

30 posted on 10/22/2005 1:28:26 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Frank_2001
Right!. and those lies get a heck of a push from the MSM...

The first thing that should immediately come to mind was the Hurricane Katrina coverage.


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31 posted on 10/22/2005 1:30:21 PM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: wagglebee
Great article. This young man bears watching.

Che-Mart
32 posted on 10/22/2005 1:30:36 PM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: RGVTx
That's the thing about many kids (especially those who are liberal or have no idea where they stand) these days, sadly. They want to appear to be hip and political and informed even though most can't name the Vice President of the United States to save their lives, let alone identify the current Supreme Court justices, Speaker of the House, Majority & Minority Leaders, their own State Senators, Representatives, Governor, Mayor, etc. etc. etc.
33 posted on 10/22/2005 1:33:56 PM PDT by jdm
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To: kenth
This t-shirt is too much!


34 posted on 10/22/2005 1:37:21 PM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm

LOL. Yeah, the "responsibility" one cracked me up too.


wooooOOOOooooo responsibility

I can see 'em running.


35 posted on 10/22/2005 1:39:07 PM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: wagglebee

Let's give Che a hand . . . or two.


36 posted on 10/22/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: jdm

Exactly. This teen didn't have a clue who that was on his shirt beyond the name. He just thought it was cool because others his age were wearing them.


37 posted on 10/22/2005 1:51:14 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: wagglebee
Francis Pedraza is a 16-year-old from San Diego, Calif.

A glimmer of hope for the future of our nation.

Excellent work, Francis. Bravo.

38 posted on 10/22/2005 1:54:53 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Delay for President)
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To: TonyRo76
I have never understood what all these über-chic hipsters see in him.

They see what their gods tell them to see.

39 posted on 10/22/2005 2:04:25 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Delay for President)
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To: Bon mots

Can one find black and red Che T-shirts which display the bullet holes?


40 posted on 10/22/2005 2:25:16 PM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (Celebrate E Pluribus Unum)
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To: wagglebee

when i was in school in the sixties we had cuban exiles coming to our school and they were better dressed than most of us-wondered why assassins could not have been bought to execute these commies-but it was the time of camelot so they say-i will always wonder


41 posted on 10/22/2005 2:37:36 PM PDT by catmanblack. (he is the great I AM-)
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To: TonyRo76

I was very young when the Beatles first came on the scene and was completely puzzled about the roar about four rather homely looking guys whose lyrics really made no sense to me. I grew up and found classical, never to be forgotten music, more to my taste.


42 posted on 10/22/2005 6:11:56 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks; wagglebee

43 posted on 10/23/2005 2:25:00 AM PDT by TheMole
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To: wagglebee

44 posted on 10/23/2005 2:28:50 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: wagglebee

"As far as John Lennon goes, his demise started the day he met Yoko Ono and began the destruction of the Beatles."

Actually he began his and the Beatles' demise with his "We're more popular than Jesus" remark (and yes, I understand its context). IMHO, the only Beatle who had a lick of sense was Ringo; the other three were nothing but snotty British punks.


45 posted on 10/23/2005 4:35:00 AM PDT by NRA1995 (When liberals speak I hear the Vonage music playing.....woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo....)
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To: wagglebee
» stupid spoiled punks who were brought up believing that ... the only way to cure disease is through wearing ribbons

LOL! Big ‘Bump’ to that :o)

46 posted on 10/23/2005 7:15:25 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: maxwellp
» four rather homely looking guys whose lyrics really made no sense to me.

Good summary of the most over-hyped, overrated band in the history of rock 'n' roll.

» ...found classical, never to be forgotten music, more to my taste.

'Nother good point there. I'd think it a solid bet Beethoven is still cherished hundreds of years after people have forgotten all about yellow submarines.

47 posted on 10/23/2005 7:21:28 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Kozak
I like this Che photo:

48 posted on 10/24/2005 9:17:17 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: TonyRo76
Good summary of the most over-hyped, overrated band in the history of rock 'n' roll.

You'll need a little flame retardant, there, but for what it's worth, I agree with you. The Beatles and their music of the 60s are no more relevant to today's music than Britney Spears will be 30 years from now. Members of the Beatles cult following remind me of flower children discussing the depth of Bob Dylan, when the reality was that he was a no-talent beat poet who played a mediocre guitar and couldn't sing. At least the Beatles had a modicum of talent, or at the minimum, a very good producer.

If you want to talk about a 'relevant' rock band (or at least as relevant as rock can be), I'd talk about the Stones. Popular in the 60s, and still popular, playing together, and making new music today. I caught a Stones concert a few years ago and was surprised at the number of rock bands they've inspired.

49 posted on 10/24/2005 10:10:12 AM PDT by wbill
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To: TonyRo76

I really like your "yellow submarines" comment regarding Beethoven! Thank you.


50 posted on 10/24/2005 4:47:59 PM PDT by maxwellp
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