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New car to run on iron filings
News.Com.AU ^ | October 21, 2005 | staff writer

Posted on 10/23/2005 5:33:20 AM PDT by yankeedame

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To: ruiner

Think Pinto and they burn fast.


42 posted on 10/23/2005 8:06:07 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: yankeedame

Ceramic engines?


43 posted on 10/23/2005 8:08:31 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

What do we do with it? Enjoy the pretty red roads, buildings, grass, lungs …


44 posted on 10/23/2005 8:10:22 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: TN4Liberty
Reduce it and reuse it perhaps.

But is that practical? With gasoline, most of the waste products go into the air and get recycled in the form of rain, biomass and oxygen. Can you imagine consumers having to dispose of tons of iron oxide? It doesn't sound practical to me.

45 posted on 10/23/2005 8:21:50 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: beef
up with an injector for coal dust -- --

IIRC, Rudolf Diesel experimented with coal dust and it can indeed operate a diesel engine. The problem arises in cylinder wear, lubrication,etc.,--the engine runs okay-just not for long--

46 posted on 10/23/2005 8:22:05 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: yankeedame

Interesting. H, Al, and Fe are some of the most abundant elements on the planet.


47 posted on 10/23/2005 8:24:36 AM PDT by foobeca
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To: yankeedame

But then again, oil is the 2nd most abundant liquid on the planet, and look how expensive it is.


48 posted on 10/23/2005 8:25:52 AM PDT by foobeca
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To: yankeedame

Iron filings in the tank, hmmm... Couldn't you just suspend a reaaaallllyy powerful magnet in front of the car (you know, carrot on a stick?) and let the car take off??? ;o)


49 posted on 10/23/2005 8:28:28 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: yankeedame
Dr Beach suspected the answer was to create very fine metal grains measuring millionths of a millimetre. Heating them to 250C could make them burn and unlike larger particles they did not vaporise or melt.

Oh that's just wunnerful... </sarcasm>


The exhaust still has to go SOMEWHERE..
I suppose it must leave a big cloud of hot, very-fine particulate dust in it's wake...

No thanks....

50 posted on 10/23/2005 8:38:57 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: yankeedame

I had an O chem professor that loved to pour metal powders out of test tubes, the cloud of dust would spontaneously explode into flame and disappear before it hit the ground. Copper precipitate was particularly awesome.


51 posted on 10/23/2005 8:46:22 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: PaxMacian

Interesting thread. The zinc process I mentioned worked fine in the lab under closely controlled conditions --- these closely controlled conditions could not be duplicated in the pilot plant and the zinc powder got a zinc oxide coating.


52 posted on 10/23/2005 8:48:45 AM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: beef
"How about coal? "

Probably better injected into a boiler to make steam.

53 posted on 10/23/2005 8:50:46 AM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: yankeedame

Just another stupid professor fishing for a government grant to "study" the posibility. I assure you that when the money gets low the study will be concluded with the statement "inconclusive, needs further study".


54 posted on 10/23/2005 8:59:48 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Born to Conserve; gatex; yankeedame; PaxMacian
I had an O chem professor that loved to pour metal powders out of test tubes, the cloud of dust would spontaneously explode into flame and disappear before it hit the ground. Copper precipitate was particularly awesome.

That works with a lot of powders: Flaming non-dairy creamer.

And the same principle is at work in grain-elevator explosions.

55 posted on 10/23/2005 8:59:58 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: yankeedame; AntiGuv

powdered ferrous oxide (common rust) plus finely divided aluminum equals thermite.

once ignited, the combustion is self-sustaining with or without the presence of atmospheric oxygen.

it is also insanely hot - thermite is used to weld large pieces of steel in ship construction... as well as a powerful incendiary weapon.

I don't see how they propose to use termite or any similar reaction to power an automobile.


56 posted on 10/23/2005 9:19:59 AM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
But is that practical?

Well, not now, but no one is running iron-burning engines. But iron oxide is the raw material from which iron is made, so it has value. Why dig it up when you can pay the car owner for his waste. Just like battery recycle and core exchange on car parts.

57 posted on 10/23/2005 1:47:16 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: Ichneumon
That works with a lot of powders: Flaming non-dairy creamer...

HA! KEWL!

Organic powders...Ants, love the stuff, too. :D

58 posted on 10/23/2005 6:14:41 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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