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Russia also won Cold War, says Gorbachev - ("Perestroika won")
AP ^ | October 24, 2005

Posted on 10/23/2005 7:20:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON: The US and Russia had both emerged victorious at the end of the Cold War, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev said.

"I would not be making a mistake to say that perestroika won. It succeeded," he said during a celebration of the 20th anniversary of reforms that ultimately ended the hostilities between the two nations.

Mr Gorbachev also reflected on the current state of world affairs, noting the role of the US as the sole superpower.

"America has a right to be a leader," he said, adding that "this leadership should be realised through partnership, not domination".

Former US president Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Colin Powell were among about 200 guests who attended what Mr Gorbachev described as a "meeting of old friends".

Mr Gorbachev is credited with engineering a series of reforms, called perestroika, in the Soviet Union that led to the fall of communism.

In 1990, he won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work.

"It was obvious from the beginning with perestroika blooming in Russia, there was a new openness, a new sense of freedom, there was a new leader," Mr Clinton said.

"He will go down in history as a person who changed the world for the better."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communism; communists; gorbachaev; kremlin; putin; russia; ussr
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1 posted on 10/23/2005 7:20:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Won in the sense that they're no longer ruled by the Soviets I guess.


2 posted on 10/23/2005 7:24:56 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hey Gorby! I made a stain on a blue dress
shaped just like that one on your forehead.

or

Ted Turner and another 3-some he reveled in being part of.

3 posted on 10/23/2005 7:25:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In a sense, the Russians did win as they're not living under the yoke of Communism anymore. But Gorby will still go down as one of history's biggest losers.


4 posted on 10/23/2005 7:27:40 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And there are no American soldiers at the Baghdad airport.


5 posted on 10/23/2005 7:34:19 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"The US and Russia had both emerged victorious at the end of the Cold War"

End?


6 posted on 10/23/2005 7:35:40 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He is absolutely right. When the communists lost the proletariat definitely won. I doubt Gorbachev was cheering, though, when the Berlin Wall came tumbling down. I s'pect he didn't feel the euphoric shudders many of us felt.


7 posted on 10/23/2005 7:38:23 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The leftists seemed to have missed the episode of Sesame Street where they explained "win" and "lose."

Can someone find that tape for Mikhail Gorbachev and Al Gore?
8 posted on 10/23/2005 7:38:34 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Too bad for Gorbachev he couldn't hold on a little longer. Clinton would have saved the Soviet Union's ass.


9 posted on 10/23/2005 7:39:36 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

He would have needed some money to donate to Clinton's reelection fund as well.


10 posted on 10/23/2005 7:43:00 PM PDT by Renderofveils ("A is for all the tea they taxed, M is for the minutemen they shellaxed...")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gorbachev was trying to keep the Soviet Union intact. He failed completely. The man I respect is Yeltsin, who stood on a tank and voiced his defiance to the leaders of the Communist coup that overthrew Gorbachev. For his defiance of the Soviets, Yeltsin was later treated by our media as a buffoon, and hated by the Left.


11 posted on 10/23/2005 7:44:21 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I remember very clearly visiting a bookshop and reading, quickly, through Gorbachev's book describing the need for perestroika (restructuring) of the Soviet Union. In that instant I saw the world we live in would change. It was an event like landing on the moon, AND MORE, in what it portended for the peace and safety of people living at that time.

This is a great man, in the right place at the right time.


12 posted on 10/23/2005 7:44:22 PM PDT by Tax Government (Tax "democrats". Contribute to FR.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Everybody wins! Isn't that special. Maybe we can all get brightly colored ribbons, shiney little plastic trophies or a gold star to enhance our collective self esteem.


13 posted on 10/23/2005 7:44:52 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why is Gorbachev so chatty lately?

This is roughly the sixth article I've seen on him in just under 2 weeks.


14 posted on 10/23/2005 7:46:52 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Soviet Union won the Cold War!

15 posted on 10/23/2005 7:47:15 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: stevem

>>>I s'pect he didn't feel the euphoric shudders many of us felt.

So he moved to San Francisco to embrace this euphoria.

:P


16 posted on 10/23/2005 7:48:37 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mr Gorbachev is credited with engineering a series of reforms, called perestroika, in the Soviet Union that led to the fall of communism. In 1990, he won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work.

BS! He was trying to save Communism! As for the Nobel Prize, they wouldn't give it to Reagan so they gave it to Gorby instead.

17 posted on 10/23/2005 7:48:54 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Renderofveils

>>>>He would have needed some money to donate to Clinton's reelection fund as well.

You act like he hasn't.

The Gorbachev Foundation
http://www.gorby.ru/en/default.asp


::I just love how he has his site hosted in Russia yet he lives in San Francisco.::


19 posted on 10/23/2005 7:50:49 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

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Russia is now losing its population.

Russian women are leaving Russia in droves, along with the future children they will bare, for greener pastures abroad.

Life expectancy in Russia is going down.

National population down to as little as 80 million in just 50 years perhaps.

Now just WHO won WHAT, I wonder..?

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20 posted on 10/23/2005 7:50:53 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Lol, typical superstitious mind at work... Whatever you're doing at the time gets credit for the outcome, whether or not it had anything to do with the outcome. If he had just started doing Yoga at the time, he'd credit that.

IMO, one Mr. Ronald Reagan deserves the lion's share of the credit for ending (and winning) the cold war because he threw train loads of cash at the military and Soviets had to fold. It was either fold or try to keep up with us and face a truly calamitous collapse later.

21 posted on 10/23/2005 7:52:31 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Oh! I know how to solve Russia's depopulation problem!!

I volunteer our democrats to go live there!


22 posted on 10/23/2005 7:55:03 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gorby, Clinton. and Ted Turner all slapping each other on the back. Ugh!


23 posted on 10/23/2005 7:55:15 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sounds like he is trying to appeal to Vladimir Putin and Russian commie cranks.


24 posted on 10/23/2005 7:56:34 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Calpernia

The Chinese will probably just move in as the Russians vacate.....


25 posted on 10/23/2005 7:56:42 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: bobbdobbs
I think that's true, but he wasn't the blood thirsty brutal type like his predecessors.

Yes but the present head of Russia, Mr Putin is more like Khrushchev than Gorby ever could be.

What Gorby gave Russia turned out in the longer term to be Putin. Putin's successor will be a lot like Stalin.

26 posted on 10/23/2005 7:58:07 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Calpernia

Because he's in danger of becoming a 1980s trivia question, just like Boy George.


27 posted on 10/23/2005 7:59:37 PM PDT by maro
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

On Russia:

Reader Jack Fulmer sent me the following item, which appeared a century ago — 13 September 1905 — in the Paris edition of the New York Herald:

Holy War Waged
St. Petersburg: The districts of Zangezur and Jebrail are swarming with Tartar bands under the leadership of chiefs, and in some cases accompanied by Tartar police officials. Green banners are carried and a ‘Holy War’ is being proclaimed. All Armenians, without distinction of sex or age are being massacred. Many thousand Tartar horsemen have crossed the Perso-Russian frontier and joined the insurgents. Horrible scenes attended the destruction of the village of Minkind. Three hundred Armenians were massacred and mutilated. The children were thrown to the dogs and the few survivors were forced to embrace Islamism.
Plus ça change, eh? Last week Islamists killed a big bunch of people in Nalchik, the capital of the hitherto more-or-less safe-ish Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria. True, in our more sensitive age the Herald Tribune’s current owners, the New York Times, would never dream of headlining such a report ‘Holy War Waged’, though the Muslim insurgents are fighting for a pan-Caucasian Islamic republic from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea.

And in the long run it’s hard to see why they won’t get it, the only question being whether it’s still worth getting. Moscow has reduced Grozny to rubble, yet is further than ever from solving its Chechen problem. Moreover, the sheer blundering thuggery of the Russian approach has no merits other than affording Moscow some short-term sadistic pleasure as it exacerbates the situation. The allegedly seething ‘Arab street’, which the West’s media doom-mongers have been predicting for four years will rise up in fury against the Anglo-American infidels, remains as seething as a cul-de-sac in Pinner on a Wednesday afternoon. But the Russian Federation’s Muslim street is real, and on the boil.

Remember the months before 9/11? The new US President had his first meeting with the Russian President. ‘I looked the man in the eye and found him very straightforward and trustworthy,’ George W. Bush said after two hours with Vladimir Putin. ‘I was able to get a sense of his soul.’ I’m all for speaking softly and carrying a big stick, but that’s way too soft; it’s candlelight-dinner-with-the-glow-reflecting-in-the-wine-glass-just-before-you-ask-her-to-dance-to-‘Moonlight-Becomes-You’ soft. Even at the time, many of us felt like yelling at Bush: Get a grip on yourself, man! Lay off the homoerotic stuff about soulmates! This is a KGB apparatchik you’re making eyes at.

But Putin was broadly supportive — or at least not actively non-supportive — on Afghanistan (a very particular case) and Nato expansion (a fait accompli), and some experts started calling Vlad the most Westernised Russian strongman since Peter the Great and cooing about a Russo-American alliance that would be one of the cornerstones of the post-Cold War world.

It’s not like that today. From China to Central Asia to Ukraine, from its covert efforts to maintain Saddam in power to its more or less unashamed patronage of Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Moscow has been at odds with Washington over every key geopolitical issue, and a few non-key ones, too, culminating in Putin’s tirade to Bush that America was flooding Russia with sub-standard chicken drumsticks and keeping the best ones for herself. It was a poultry complaint but indicative of a retreat into old-school Kremlin paranoia. Putin was sending America’s chickens home to roost. I wonder if Bush took a second look into the soulful depths of Vladimir’s eyes and decided he wasn’t quite so finger-lickin’ good after all.

Russia’s export of ideology was the decisive factor in the history of the last century. It seems to me entirely possible that the implosion of Russia could be the decisive factor in this new century. As Iran’s nuke programme suggests, in many of the geopolitical challenges to America there’s usually a Russian component somewhere in the background.

In fairness to Putin, even if he was ‘very straightforward and trustworthy’, he’s in a wretched position. Think of the feet of clay of Western European politicians unwilling to show leadership on the Continent’s moribund economy and deathbed demography. Russia has all the EU’s problems to the nth degree, and then some. ‘Post-imperial decline’ is manageable; a nation of psychotic lemmings isn’t. As I’ve noted before in this space, Russia is literally dying. From a population peak in 1992 of 148 million, it will be down to below 130 million by 2015 and thereafter dropping to perhaps 50 or 60 million by the end of the century, a third of what it was at the fall of the Soviet Union. It needn’t decline at a consistent rate, of course. But I’d say it’s more likely to be even lower than 50 million than it is to be over 100 million. The longer Russia goes without arresting the death spiral, the harder it is to pull out of it, and when it comes to the future most Russian women are voting with their foetus: 70 per cent of pregnancies are aborted.

A smaller population needn’t necessarily be a problem, and especially not for a state with too much of the citizenry on the payroll. But Russia is facing simultaneously a massive ongoing drain of wealth out of the system. Whether or not Dominic Midgley was correct the other day in his assertion that the émigré oligarchs prefer London to America, I cannot say. But I notice my own peripheral backwater of Montreal has also filled up with Russkies whose impressive riches have been acquired recently and swiftly. It doesn’t help the grim demographic scenario if your economic base is also being systematically eaten away.

Add to that the unprecedented strains on a ramshackle public health system. Russia is the sick man of Europe, and would still look pretty sick if you moved him to Africa. It has the fastest-growing rate of HIV infection in the world. From virtually no official Aids cases at the time Putin took office, in the last five years more Russians have tested positive than in the previous 20 for America. The virus is said to have infected at least 1 per cent of the population, the figure the World Health Organisation considers the tipping point for a sub-Saharan-sized epidemic. So at a time when Russian men already have a life expectancy in the mid-50s — lower than in Bangladesh — they’re about to see Aids cut them down from the other end, killing young men and women of childbearing age, and with them any hope of societal regeneration. By 2010, Aids will be killing between a quarter and three-quarters of a million Russians every year. It will become a nation of babushkas, unable to muster enough young soldiers to secure its borders, enough young businessmen to secure its economy or enough young families to secure its future. True, there are regions that are exceptions to these malign trends, parts of Russia that have healthy fertility rates and low HIV infection. Can you guess which regions they are? They start with a ‘Mu-’ and end with a ‘-slim’.

So the world’s largest country is dying and the only question is how violent its death throes are. Yesterday’s Russia was characterised by Churchill as a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Today’s has come unwrapped: it’s a crisis in a disaster inside a catastrophe. Most of the big international problems operate within certain geographic constraints: Africa has Aids, the Middle East has Islamists, North Korea has nukes. But Russia’s got the lot: an African-level Aids crisis and an Islamist separatist movement sitting on top of the biggest pile of nukes on the planet. Of course, the nuclear materials are all in ‘secure’ facilities — more secure, one hopes, than the secure public buildings in Nalchik that the Islamists took over with such ease last week.

Russia is the bleakest example on the planet of how we worry about all the wrong things. For 40 years the environmentalists have warned us that the jig was up: there are too many people (see Paul Ehrlich’s comic masterpiece of 1970 The Population Bomb) and too few resources — as the Club of Rome warned in its 1972 landmark study The Limits To Growth, the world will run out of gold by 1981, of mercury by 1985, tin by 1987, zinc by 1990, petroleum by 1992, and copper, lead and gas by 1993. Instead, poor old Russia is awash with resources but fatally short of Russians — and, in the end, warm bodies are the one indispensable resource.

What would you do if you were Putin? What have you got to keep your rotting corpse of a country as some kind of player? You’ve got nuclear know-how — which a lot of ayatollahs and dictators are interested in. You’ve got an empty resource-rich eastern hinterland — which the Chinese are going to wind up with one way or the other. That was the logic, incidentally, behind the sale of Alaska: in the 1850s, Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich, the brother of Alexander II, argued that the Russian empire couldn’t hold its North American territory and that one day either Britain or the United States would simply take it, so why not sell it to them first? The same argument applies today to the 2,000 miles of the Russo–Chinese border. Given that even alcoholic Slavs with a life expectancy of 56 will live to see Vladivostok return to its old name of Haishenwei, Moscow might as well flog it to Beijing instead of just having it snaffled out from under.

That’s the danger for America — that most of what Russia has to trade is likely to be damaging to US interests. In its death throes, it could bequeath the world several new Muslim nations, a nuclear Middle East and a stronger China. In theory, America could do a belated follow-up to the Alaska deal and put in a bid for Siberia. But Russia’s calculation is that sooner or later we’ll be back in a bipolar world and that, in almost any scenario, there’s more advantage in being part of the non-American pole. A Sino–Russian strategic partnership has a certain logic to it, and so, in a darker way, does a Russo–Muslim alliance of convenience. In 1989, with the Warsaw Pact crumbling before his eyes, poor old Mikhail Gorbachev received a helpful bit of advice from the cocky young upstart on the block, the Ayatollah Khomeini: ‘I strongly urge that in breaking down the walls of Marxist fantasies you do not fall into the prison of the West and the Great Satan,’ wrote the pioneer Islamist nutcase. ‘I openly announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran, as the greatest and most powerful base of the Islamic world, can easily help fill up the ideological vacuum of your system.’

In an odd way, that’s what happened everywhere but the Kremlin. As communism retreated, radical Islam seeped into Afghanistan and Indonesia and the Balkans. Crazy guys holed up in Philippine jungles and the tri-border region of Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay which would have been ‘Marxist fantasists’ a generation or two back are now Islamists: it’s the ideology du jour. Even the otherwise perplexing enthusiasm of the western Left for the jihad’s misogynist homophobe theocrats is best understood as a latterday variation on the Hitler/Stalin pact. And, despite Gorbachev turning down the offer, it will be Russia’s fate to have large chunks of its turf annexed by the Islamic world.

We are witnessing a remarkable event: the death of a great nation not through war or devastation but through its inability to rouse itself from its own suicidal tendencies. The ‘ideological vacuum’ was mostly filled with a nihilist fatalism. Churchill got it wrong: Russia is a vacuum wrapped in a nullity inside an abyss.


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28 posted on 10/23/2005 8:01:58 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Thunder90
For Mr Gorbachev, the danger comes from the right. “There is a real battle going on in the cabinet; there are differing approaches,” he says. He blames “neo-liberals” in the Government for pushing policies that would not benefit the Russian people.

Who are these neo-liberals? “We see them everyday, the ministers of finance and economy,” Mr Gorbachev said. He points to the Government’s attempt late last year to monetise Soviet-era social benefits, such as free public transport, medicines and electricity for pensioners, replacing them with cash payments.

Public outrage against what was seen as the Government’s attempt to shirk its responsibilities led to the first mass protests in Russia since the fall of communism. He fears that there would have been social unrest had the Government been allowed to continue with the policies. “It was winter, it was cold,” he said.

According to Mr Gorbachev, it was President Putin’s intervention that caused the withdrawal of some of the measures. “ I would like him to succeed in economic modernisation for the benefit of the people,” he said. - LINK

29 posted on 10/23/2005 8:01:59 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: bobbdobbs
He came of age in Stalin's final years and during the XX Party Congress in 1956, he learned of Stalin's crimes and that event was a formative one in life like so many of the future Soviet elite. The lack of freedom and the economic stagnation under Brezhnev simply reinforced his conviction that things had to change. He didn't go as far as Yeltsin did in breaking with the past but in allowing Eastern Europe to choose non-Communist governments, he earned his place in history. For all his mistakes, he left Russia a freer place than the world he was born into and whatever one can say about Gorbachev, his historical importance is underlined by the fact that history has known many rulers who amassed great power to crush their own people and bequeath to them a legacy of despotism. History hasn't seen a ruler willing to relinquish his own power so people could enjoy their God-given freedom. Gorbachev's decency shows that even a atheist can be a good person. Personalities do matter in history and its doubtful the Cold War would have ended as peacefully as it did had someone else come to power in the Soviet Union.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

30 posted on 10/23/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Winner


31 posted on 10/23/2005 8:03:36 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Vladimir putin is trying to set up conditions that will allow the return of a communist state. Why, I don't know.


32 posted on 10/23/2005 8:03:41 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Common Tator

This was on c-span, and it was sad, really. Clinton was not in power when he was, so he invited Shirley McClain.


33 posted on 10/23/2005 8:04:38 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
No reason Gorbachev should not believe it. He is only parroting history according to the MSM.


34 posted on 10/23/2005 8:05:05 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Rummyfan

That's ok. The dems won't mind being closer to their campaign contributors.


35 posted on 10/23/2005 8:06:40 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Thunder90
The Soviet Union will never be restored. Russia's weakness is a guarantee of this reality.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

36 posted on 10/23/2005 8:07:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: maro

Not as long as that foundation of his keeps giving :P


37 posted on 10/23/2005 8:07:18 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: goldstategop

Russia... Weak? Then, why do they have plasma stealth?


38 posted on 10/23/2005 8:10:22 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Rummyfan; Libloather; JLO; kristinn

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Thank you for your CLARITY, Rummyfan.

No wonder our LADY of FATIMA appeared to 3 little children, asking us all to pray for the conversion of Russia almost 100 years ago ...before Communism took its seat there, only to lose it to a world-wide tyranny more widespread than we could have ever imagined..?

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39 posted on 10/23/2005 8:39:50 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Is he smoking the wacky weed?


40 posted on 10/23/2005 8:47:35 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: popdonnelly
Russia also won Cold War, says Gorbachev - ("Perestroika won")

Brought to you by the letters B and S.

41 posted on 10/23/2005 8:54:37 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Calpernia

They won't go. After Communism fell it lost its attraction.


42 posted on 10/23/2005 8:56:48 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Tax Government
This is a great man, in the right place at the right time.

Then some of those Chinese leaders must be right up your alley.

43 posted on 10/23/2005 9:01:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
>>>>"He will go down in history as a person who changed the world for the better."

Right Slick!

Ronald Reagan will go down in history as the person who not only won the Cold War, but ended the Soviet Union and vanquished Euro-communism in the process.

44 posted on 10/23/2005 9:05:59 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: TypeZoNegative

LMAO!!!!


45 posted on 10/23/2005 9:13:24 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gorby, like Slick Willie, is trying to rewrite history in search of a legacy.


46 posted on 10/23/2005 9:26:42 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Calpernia
"Perestroika won"

I had previously read a profile of the present day life of this man. It was,I believe in the redoubtable CANADA FREE PRESS. I hastily accessed Google. I hope I have the facts. What rankles is this. Now I did not get much time to double check. Herewith. American military bases were being closed. The area know as the PRESIDIO seemed to be doomed to oblivion.

The United Nations got in there. Huge sums of money was expended and this man-Gorbachev was ensconced there. Yes, San Francisco. Now like the International Socialist that he is, he dares flip his finger at America.

It is said that those who believe in a conspiracy of a New World Order, might be wacko. I wonder?

47 posted on 10/23/2005 9:31:16 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
To self: Oh no. Hit Google. Hippies Hang Hats at the Presidio.

Either one (self) laughs or cries,at the article. (Canada Free Press. Judi Mcleod. (2004)

48 posted on 10/23/2005 10:02:57 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Tailgunner Joe

49 posted on 10/23/2005 10:10:44 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Better stick a HUGE barf alert on the picture of those three delusional whack jobs.

Just about blew chunks meself -- and I'm tough.

[Apart from a lifetime supply of brown nosings by the KKKling Tong Crime Family and such librium-dependant droolers as the person whose name escapes me but was once important around CNN and every other member of the hate-America gang, about all Gormless Gorby ever "won" was a one-way plane ride back from the Black Sea to oblivion, courtesy of Russia's by then already effective President, "Boozing-Boris" Yeltsen]


50 posted on 10/23/2005 10:14:59 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Patriotic [Immigrant] AMERICAN-American by choice - Christian and Aviator by Grace)
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